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#1 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:44:17 PM(UTC)
hey driver/tars,
hope everyone is good!
I've been confusing the heck out of myself in regards to 'what' I'm tuning concerning turning while cornering: as I accelerate out of a turn, or not braking (no gas), my car doesn't want to turn. sometimes decelerating into a turn causes the same issue...

is this 'UNDERsteering'???

what are some suggestions as to improve my turning radius while not sacrificing speed in order to fix this handling issue...

I don't tune much, but w
I don't drift... not even on accident.

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#2 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:54:58 PM(UTC)
I would appreciate ANY suggestions!

neophyte tuner, uses abs etc... I'm
also, as far as styles go, a jumper/speed skill oriented driver... at drifting I must admit I'm a total rookie, I just never drift. (blasphemy I know... maybe some rock stars out there need to destroy me in some drifting sessions until I catch on.)

thanks everyone!!!

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FM5 (current playing)
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FH (still play)
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FM3 (rarely)
FM4 (rarely)

(soon FH3 & Storm Island)
(FM2 waiting to start)
(FM6 skipping possibly)
(FM6 Apex most like never)
I don't drift... not even on accident.

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#3 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:57:58 PM(UTC)
what you are experiencing is dif releated issues.

Accel - raise to increase on throttle oversteer (turning more)
Decel - Lower to increase off throttle oversteer (turning more)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoICf55jED8

Edited by user Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:58:58 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified


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#4 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:18:19 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: PTG Baby Cow Go to Quoted Post
what you are experiencing is dif releated issues.


thank you Baby Cow! the differential. are there front and rear differential options? or does it matter?



Accel - raise to increase on throttle oversteer (turning more)
Decel - Lower to increase off throttle oversteer (turning more)



[quote=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoICf55jED8[/quote]
I don't drift... not even on accident.

skills like gills, johnny.
ask somebody.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:24:57 PM(UTC)
That is how a dif works, but when working with all wheel drive you have one for the front and one for the rear and a power split.

FWD you typically want nearly a locked front accel (100%) and completely open decel (0%)

RWD somewhere around 70% accel and 10%-20% decel

AWD i dont really mess with but i believe like an 86% split front dif a little lower than fwd accell so like 80% accel - 0% decel Rear do similar to RWD

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#6 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 4:13:30 PM(UTC)
fantastic, thank you very kindly! baby cow! (baby cow... heh, a vitelloni reference?)

if I may ask you another question, when you fine tune your cars, will you just adjust 'off the cuff' and be able to achieve a tuned car by playing it by ear? I hope that makes sense.

thanks again!

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#7 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 4:16:01 PM(UTC)
your AWD comment was so true, I use AWD, well spotted... see I don't even start out with a drifting friendly platform. nice one.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 7:46:28 PM(UTC)
Yea some people use formulas for tuning etc ive always tuned by feel, drive car once built but not tuned, feel what car is doing, go back to garage make adjustments check lap time and repeat.

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#9 Posted : Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:42:55 PM(UTC)
Front hits the wall - understeering.
Back hits the wall - oversteering.

:-)
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#10 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2017 9:39:06 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: fifty inch Go to Quoted Post
Front hits the wall - understeering.
Back hits the wall - oversteering.

:-)


interesting! is this really true?
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ask somebody.
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#11 Posted : Friday, January 27, 2017 9:43:59 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: PTG Baby Cow Go to Quoted Post
Yea some people use formulas for tuning etc ive always tuned by feel, drive car once built but not tuned, feel what car is doing, go back to garage make adjustments check lap time and repeat.


fresh. glad to hear it. I hope to be able to get comfortable enough to do exactly that...
time
dunno, perhaps I should begin practicing with RWD for a while. I'm gonna attack the AWD with your suggestions first. once again, I appreciate the comments and time it took to reply.

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#12 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2017 2:44:06 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: libra79 betsy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: fifty inch Go to Quoted Post
Front hits the wall - understeering.
Back hits the wall - oversteering.

:-)


interesting! is this really true?

Yes.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, January 28, 2017 2:35:38 PM(UTC)
four feet 2 inches... makes sense.

tried out some RWD a bit ago, I imagine a rear engine rear drive wasn't the ideal ride to begin with... I'll be able to start 'tuning' it once I'm able to stop the fish tailing or spinning out... I have AWD foot...

props to you drifters, what a different way of driving! it's like trying to steer ice cubes on a boat... respect.

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#14 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 8:10:34 AM(UTC)
Most likely a diff issue, can be roll bars and suspension, mess with the ride height aswell
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#15 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2017 1:16:09 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: BDR Sandman Go to Quoted Post
Most likely a diff issue, can be roll bars and suspension, mess with the ride height aswell


as in:
roll bars as in, not having the frame all welded simulation?

ride height, higher is where there's more unwanted physics etc... ?

I understand the differential issue, first getting comfortable 'in general' for the feel of it is needed if I'm going to try RWD or drifting full on. I'm still pushing the sliders and figuring out one car (LP750 Lamb) AWD and keeping the car in the turn, while deceleration or no gas, as well acceleration ... the car wants to be a stick in the mud half way like midturn it's as if the car adopted a turning radius of 0°.

still working for it. that ... feel. fine tuning is newish to me.
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ask somebody.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:11:25 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: fifty inch Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: libra79 betsy Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: fifty inch Go to Quoted Post
Front hits the wall - understeering.
Back hits the wall - oversteering.

:-)


interesting! is this really true?

Yes.


To expand when the car is fully turned and pushes through a corner it is UNDERsteering. Think FWD.

When the back wants to step out it is OVERsteering. Think RWD.
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#17 Posted : Friday, March 3, 2017 2:51:07 AM(UTC)
Another good one by the great Walter Röhrl himself:

"Oversteering is when the co-driver is frightened, understeering is when I'm frightened."

And even better:

"Understeering is when you see the tree you are crushing into, oversteering is when you only hear it."

:-)

Edited by user Friday, March 3, 2017 2:54:43 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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