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#1 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 3:33:01 AM(UTC)
FH3 Car Wish List Thread Analysis and Tracking

Earlier this year I posted an analysis of the FM6 Car Wish List thread to see which car models were most commonly requested by the community. I have now done the same for the Forza Horizon 3 Car Wish List thread. I've gone through each post and counted how many times each car model was mentioned, and have totaled them up in a spreadsheet. In this thread I'll list the most requested cars and charts, and update it as cars are revealed before and after FH3 is released in September.

Going through post after post gives some interesting insight and speculation into the interests of the community. The setting for the game naturally affects which cars users have requested. In contrast to the FM6 thread, which understandably included many race car models, the requests in the FH3 thread have been overwhelmingly for production models and off-road vehicles. Surprisingly the FH3 count to date has named far more models than the FM6 thread despite only a fifth the number of posts counted so far. And as cars are revealed in the weekly Forza Garage announcements, future wishlists will no doubt shift as wished-for cars are checked off and maybe new real-world models are announced.

A summary of the numbers as of early August:
  • 550 user posts counted with lists ranging from 1 to over 800 cars, averaging ~15 per user
  • 8,500 named vehicles representing 3,175 make/models
  • Most requested model: BMW i8 mentioned in 1 out of every 13 user lists (7.6% of users, 0.5% of all cars)
  • 485 models represent half of the total car requests
  • The top 200 most requested models, listed in this thread, represent 30% of all cars listed


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#2 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:37:30 AM(UTC)
Methodology and Practical Considerations


Data Collection and Presentation Format
  • 'All' cars counted: In the FM6 project I started counting long after the full roster was known and DLC was released. To save time I did not count the cars in wishlists that I knew to exist in the game. In this thread I am including all cars posted, so some will already be checked off because as of this posting about two thirds of the car roster has been revealed. About 5 to 10% of posts in the thread were not valid for counting because they appeared to be comments on someone else's list rather than posting their own, or suspected spam/repeats, or wishlists that were about body kits more than car models.
  • "Models": As I learned with the FM6 analysis project, deciding how to present the data and designing an efficient way to reach that goal were the most challenging aspects of this effort. Users can be very specific about the models they'd like to have ("pre-facelift" and specific engine codes) and they can be very vague ("1990's JDM"). Simply copying and pasting all requests would not have created much of stand-out pattern in the results; even discounting various trim levels, the thousands of models named mean that any one model represents less than one per cent of the field. But condensing cars together can mask some important differences that matter to car fans. In the end, I decided to go by model generation using Wikipedia as a general guide. In the case of commonly requested updated models (the Aventador SV and Huayra BC), I counted them separately from the earlier models, while for less-requested models I condensed variations into one (Ford Bronco).
  • Limited familiarity: This project is educational because I look up every model on Wikipedia and have encountered many cars I never knew existed. But I'm still biased in favor of the cars I like and lack knowledge about other types, such as pickup trucks. I find the naming structure for Australian cars confusing. So if I listed any wrongly in the eyes of their fans, know that there was no insult intended. Feel free to educate me on vehicle differences and I'll adjust the list appropriately. Keep in mind though that every time a car is split out, it falls that much further in its most requested rank. I encourage users to delve into the long model list and investigate cars they don't know well; some of the performance options on even commuter models can be surprising (I'm thinking of the Honda City Turbo II).



Wish Fulfillment
When I published the FM6 results, Brian Ekberg commented in the Week in Review: "Having this list doesn’t always mean we’ll always be able to tackle the cars in order of community priority. What it does mean is that we now have a fantastic lens on exactly which cars the community is asking for." The developers have to overcome a variety of obstacles to add cars to the game:
  • Manufacturers have the last word on whether their cars can be added to the game, and licensing isn't free and it's renegotiated for every game even if a car has been in a previous Forza game.
  • Cars are not simply ported from a previous Forza game to the next: the updated ForzaTech engine and new features mean that sound, physics, balance-of-power adjustments, and testing need to be redone for every game.
  • Assuming that T10 is able to get its hands on a good quality vehicle, and the car isn't so rare that the owner will allow the A/V team to risk it, It takes six months to develop a car for the game. It's unrealistic to expect a quick ask-and-receive turnaround for any car.
  • Game developers have their own vision for which cars fit their game. Imagine how music artists would feel if fans insisted on selecting the songs for their albums or concert set lists.
  • Even if the developers and manufacturers left it entirely up to player choice, many players insist that their car is the answer to making the game great, not recognizing that there are far more players with other competing ideas insisting the same thing.
  • Some users post wish lists with more cars than have ever appeared in any game. As of August 2016 there have only been just over 1,300 models that have appeared in Forza games over the last ten years (see the FH3 spreadsheet linked at my website ManteoMax.com which has all previous Forza cars listed for comparison). The enthusiasm is understandable - it's not hard to come up with a list of hundreds of cars. But if users are expecting to influence the count, they should consider that the longer the list, the more it is like saying "I want one of everything." The longer the list, the less significant each car becomes.
  • With all that in mind, users should keep in mind that the Wish List thread is not a vending machine; don't be surprised if your requests never materialize. Insisting that one's own list get special attention because it's being seemingly ignored is also counter productive. We combine these lists to keep individual threads from pushing other topics of discussion off the forum front page, and also because combining them in one thread helps track user interest.


Chart as of early August showing a strong interest in a small portion of all cars listed:

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#3 Posted : Thursday, August 11, 2016 4:49:29 AM(UTC)
Most Requested FH3 Car Models

These are the top 200 most requested cars in the FH3 Car Wishlist as of August 8 (prior to the Week 4 reveal), with the number of users who included them in their lists. See the Confirmed Car List thread and the Forza Garage reveals in the News section for the list of cars known to be in the game. I'll update the list as more wishlist posts are made and cars are revealed over the coming weeks and months.

Updated with April content update/Porsche DLC and upcoming Hot Wheels expansion.

# Make/Model/generation
42 BMW i8 2014-2017 (added in January)
38 Nissan GT-R (NISMO) 2015-2017 (Confirmed for FH3: 2017)
35 McLaren 675LT 2015-2017
31 Bugatti Chiron 2016-2017
29 Mercedes G63 6x6 2013-2015
28 Aston Martin Vulcan 2015-2017 (added in October)
27 Acura NSX 2016-2017 (+9 votes for Honda NSX) (added in November)
26 Lamborghini Sesto Elemento 2011 (added in March)
25 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1/SS 2012-2017 (launch: 2015 Z/28 and 2016 SS) (ZL1 added in March)
25 Dodge Viper ACR 2016-2017 (added in November)
24 Nissan Skyline R33 1997-1998 (Confirmed at launch)
24 Porsche Cayman GTS/GT4 (981C) 2014-2017 ('16 GT4 added in April)
23 Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio 2015-2017
23 BMW M5 (E60) 2005-2010
23 Fiat 124 Spider 2017
23 Nissan S14 (240SX) Zenki 1995-1996 (added with October Forzathon)
22 Honda Civic coupe/Si/Type-R 2015-2017 (Type R added in February)
22 Mazda RX-7 (FC) Savanna 1989-1991 (added in November))
22 Pagani Huayra BC 2016-2017 (added in October)
20 McLaren 570S 2015-2017 (Confirmed at launch)
19 Cadillac CTS-V 2016-2017 (Confirmed for FH3: 2016 sedan)
19 Ford Crown Victoria/police 1998-2012 (added in October)
18 BMW M2 (F22) 2013-2017 (added in October)
18 Porsche 911 (991) 2014-2017 ('16 GT3 RS added in April)
17 Aston Martin DB11 2016 (added in February)
17 Chevrolet Silverado 2014-2017
17 Dodge Challenger SRT Hellcat 2015 (Confirmed for FH3)
17 Honda Civic coupe/Si/Type-R 1996-2000 (Confirmed for FH3: 1997 Type R)
17 Koenigsegg Regera 2015-2017 (Confirmed for FH3)
16 Bentley Bentayga 2016-2017 (added in January)
16 Mazda RX-7 (FD) Spirit R Type A 2002
16 Plymouth Road Runner 1968-1970
16 Toyota Chaser (X100,Tourer V) 1996-2001
15 DMC DeLorean DMC-12 1982
15 Ford F-150 SVT Lightning 1993/2004
15 Ford Focus RS 2014-2017 (Confirmed at launch)
15 Honda Civic coupe/Si/Type-R 1992-1995
15 Mercedes S-Class (W222) 2014-2016
15 Mercedes SLS 2011 (Confirmed for FH3)
15 Plymouth Barracuda (AAR,426,440, Hemi Cuda) 1970-1971 (Confirmed for FH3: 1971 Cuda 426)
15 Shelby GT500 Fastback (Eleanor) 1967
15 Toyota Supra (A70,Mk3,2.0GT TT) 1986-1993 ('92 2.0 added in December)
14 Apollo Arrow 2017-2017
14 Chevrolet Bel Air 1957 (Confirmed for FH3)
14 De Tomaso Pantera 1971-1985
14 Dodge Ram 2002-2008
14 Ferrari GTC4Lusso 2016-2017
14 Mercedes CLK GTR 1998 (Confirmed at launch)
14 Mitsubishi Starion 1982-1989
14 Nissan Skyline R32 1993-1994 (Confirmed at launch)
14 Porsche 918 Spyder 2013-2015 (added in April)
13 BMW M3 (E46) 1999-2006 (Confirmed for FH3: 2005 M3)
13 Chevrolet Impala SS 1994-1996
13 Chrysler Valiant Charger (1972 VH added in May)
13 Dodge Charger R/T 1969-1970 (Confirmed for FH3: 1969 R/T)
13 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat 2015-2017 (Confirmed for FH3)
13 Dodge Ram 2009-2017
13 Ferrari 599XX/EVO 2009-2012 (599XX added in February)
13 Ferrari FXX 2005-2007
13 Ford Falcon XR/XT/XW/XY/GTHO 1966-1972 (Confirmed for FH3: GTHO Phase III)
13 Ford GT 2017 (Confirmed for FH3)
13 Ford Mustang Cobra Terminator 2003-2004
13 Jaguar F-Pace 2016-2017 (added in December)
13 McLaren P1 GTR 2015
13 Mercedes C-Class (W204) 2008-2015 (Confirmed for FH3: 2012 C 63 AMG Black)
13 Mercedes C-Class (W205) 2015-2017 (Confirmed for FH3: 2016 C63)
13 Nissan S13 (200/240SX) 1989-1994 (Confirmed at launch)
13 Nissan Skyline R34 2002 (Confirmed for FH3 GT-R Spec-V II)
13 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 1993-2002
13 Toyota FJ Cruiser 2006-2016
12 Dodge Dart (PF) 2012-2017
12 Ferrari 488 GTB 2015-2017 (Confirmed for FH3)
12 Gumpert Apollo/Enraged 2005-2012
12 Holden HSV Gen-F Ute 2013-2017 (Confirmed for FH3: 2014 HSV GTS Maloo)
12 Mercedes GT R 2017-2017 (added in December)
12 Pagani Zonda R/Revolucion 2009-2014 ('10 Zonda R added in May)
12 Pontiac GTO 2004-2006
12 Tesla Model X P90D 2016
12 Toyota Supra RZ 1998 (Confirmed for FH3)
12 Toyota Tacoma (TRD Pro) 2005-2015
12 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia 1967
12 Volvo 242 Turbo Evolution 1983 (added in March)
12 W Motors Lykan HyperSport 2016 (Confirmed for FH3)
11 Aston Martin DB10 2015
11 Audi R8 V10 Plus 2015-2017 (Confirmed for FH3)
11 BMW 3.0 CSL 1971
11 BMW M4 Coupe (F82) 2014 (Confirmed for FH3)
11 BMW Z8 2000
11 Cadillac ATS-V 2012-2017 (added in February)
11 Dodge Charger 2006-2012
11 Ferrari 458 Speciale 2013 (Confirmed at launch)
11 Ford F-Series 2015-2017
11 Ford Mustang Boss 302 2013
11 Honda CR-X Del Sol SiR 1995
11 Koenigsegg One:1 2015 (Confirmed for FH3 )
11 Lamborghini Aventador LP750-4 SV 2016 (Confirmed for FH3)
11 Lamborghini Miura P400 1967 (Confirmed for FH3)
11 Mercedes E-Class (W212) E63 2010-2017 (Confirmed for FH3: 2013 E63 AMG)
11 Nissan Skyline R31 1985-1989 (added in January)
11 Opel Speedster 2000-2005
11 Saleen S7 2004 (Confirmed for FH3)
11 Toyota Mark II X100,Tourer V 1996-2000
11 Toyota Prius 2011-2016
11 Volkswagen Golf Mk5 2003-2009
11 Volkswagen Golf Mk7 2012-2017
11 Zenvo ST1 2009 ('16 added in May)
10 Audi S8 2014-2017
10 BMW X6 2014-2017
10 Chevrolet Camaro 35th Anniversary SS 2002
10 Chevrolet Camaro SS Coupe 1969 (Confirmed at launch)
10 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 1970 (Confirmed at launch)
10 Dodge Magnum 2005-2008
10 Ford F-150 Raptor 2017 (Confirmed for FH3:Shelby)
10 Ford Falcon FG X 2014-2017 (Confirmed for FH3: 2015 XR8)
10 Ford Mustang Boss 429 1969-1970
10 Ford Taurus SHO 2010-2017
10 GMC Sierra Denali/Crew 2012-2017
10 GMC Syclone 1991 (Confirmed for FH3)
10 Hummer H3T 2009
10 Koenigsegg CCX-R Edition 2009
10 Lamborghini Asterion LPI 910-4 2016
10 Lamborghini Diablo SV 1997 (Confirmed at launch)
10 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 2007
10 Lexus IS 300 (XE10) 2003-2005
10 Mazda RX-7 (FD) 1991-2002 (Confirmed at launch)
10 Mercedes GLE M 63 2016
10 Mercedes SL-Class (R230) 2001-2011 (Confirmed for FH3: 2009 SL65)
10 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III GSR 1995
10 Nissan S14 (240SX) Kouki 1997-1998 (added with November DLC)
10 Plymouth Fury 1958 (Confirmed for FH3)
10 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 1974-1981 (Confirmed at launch)
10 Porsche 911 (996) GT3 2004
10 Subaru BRZ 2013-2017 (Confirmed at launch)
10 Subaru WRX 2015 (Confirmed at launch)
10 TVR Cerbera Speed 12 1998
9 Audi SQ7 2016-2017
9 BMW M5 (E39) 2003
9 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz Convertible 1959
9 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 1990 (Confirmed for FH3)
9 Chevrolet Corvette C2 Stingray 427 1967 (Confirmed for FH3)
9 Ferrari 512 TR 1991 (Confirmed for FH3)
9 Ferrari F12tdf 2016-2017 (Confirmed for FH3)
9 Ferrari F50 GT 1996
9 Ford Shelby GT350R 2016 (Confirmed for FH3)
9 Honda Accord 2013-2017
9 Honda NSX 2016-2017 (Acura added in November)
9 Hummer H2 2002-2009
9 Jaguar F-Type R Coupe 2015-2017 (Confirmed at launch)
9 Koenigsegg Agera RS 2015-2017
9 Lamborghini Centenario LP 770-4 2016-2017 (Confirmed for FH3)
9 Lamborghini Huracan LP 610-4 2014 (Confirmed for FH3)
9 Mazda Eunos Cosmo 20B 1990-1996
9 Mercury Marauder 2003-2004
9 Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R 1998
9 Nissan Patrol 2010-2017
9 Nissan Titan 2016 (Titan Warrior Concept added in December)
9 Pagani Zonda Cinque Roadster 2009 (Confirmed for FH3)
9 Plymouth Duster 1970-1976
9 Plymouth Superbird 1970-1970
9 Pontiac GTO 1964-1967 ('65 added in December)
9 Porsche 911 GT1 Strassenversion (Street Version) 1998
9 Shelby Series 1 1999-2003
9 Subaru WRX 2004 (Confirmed for FH3)
9 Tesla Model 3 2017-2017
9 Tesla Model S (P85/90) 2012-2017 (Confirmed for FH3)
9 Toyota Tundra (TRD Pro) 2016
9 Volkswagen New Beetle 1997-2011
9 W Motors Fenyr Supersport 2016
8 AMC Gremlin X 1973
8 Ariel Nomad (Confirmed for FH3)
8 Audi RS 6 Avant 2013-2017
8 BMW 507 1959 (added in March)
8 BMW M3 (E92) GTS 2010-2011 (Confirmed for FH3: 2008 M3)
8 BMW M3 (F80) 2015-2017
8 BMW M5 (F10) 2012 (Confirmed for FH3)
8 BMW M6 (F12) 2012-2017 (Confirmed for FH3: 2013)
8 BMW X5 2013-2017
8 Cadillac Escalade 2015-2017 (FH3: 2012 ESV)
8 Chevrolet Cobalt Coupe 2005-2010
8 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 2005-2013 (Confirmed for FH3: 2009)
8 Chevrolet Cruze 2008-2017
8 Chevrolet Impala 1965-1970 (Confirmed at launch)
8 Chevrolet Silverado 1999-2006
8 Citroen 2CV 1948-1990
8 Dodge Charger Daytona HEMI 1969 (Confirmed for FH3: 2017)
8 Dodge Neon 1998-2005
8 Ferrari F40 Competizione 1989
8 Ford Explorer 2011-2017
8 Ford FPV F6 2004-2014
8 Ford Mustang GT 2005-2009
8 Ford Mustang Mach 1 1971-1973
8 Holden Torana A9X 1977 (Confirmed for FH3)
8 Honda Civic EG-EH hatch 1991-1995
8 Honda NSX-R 2002-2005 (Confirmed for FH3)
8 Infiniti Q60 2015-2017 (Confirmed for FH3: concept)
8 Kia Optima
8 Koenigsegg Agera R 2011-2013
8 Koenigsegg CCX 2006
8 Lamborghini Countach LP5000 QV 1988 (Confirmed at launch)

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Visual list of the most requested models that have not been added to the game:
(March Sesto Elemento and April Cayman removed)






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October update

Most requested:
2016 Aston Martin Vulcan
2016 Pagani Huayra BC
2016 BMW M2 Coupe
1994 Nissan Silvia K's (S14) - free with content update for Forzathon and ForzaRC


New to Forza:
2000 Lotus 340R
2010 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor
2016 Spania GTA GTA Spano
1976 Jeep CJ-5 Renegade

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November update

Most requested:
2017 Acura NSX
1998 Nissan Silvia K's
1990 Mazda Savannah RX-7
2016 Dodge Viper ACR

New to Forza:
2016 BMW M4 GTS
1979 Talbot Lotus Sunbeam
1967 Ford Falcon XR GT
1973 Nissan Skyline H/T 2000GT-R - free with content update as a Barn Find

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December update

Most requested:
2017 Mercedes-AMG GT R
2017 Jaguar F-PACE S
1965 Pontiac GTO
1992 Toyota Supra 2.0 GT Twin Turbo
2016 Nissan Titan Warrior Concept (Blizzard Mountain)

New to Forza:
2015 Bentley EXP 10 Speed 6 Concept
1996 HSV GTSR
2014 Morgan 3 Wheeler

1967 Sunbeam Tiger - free with content update as a Barn Find
2014 Bentley #7 M-Sport Bentley Continental GT3 - free with content update as a Forzathon/ForzaRC award
2014 Terradyne Gurkha LAPV - free with content update as Forzathon award

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January update

Most requested:
2015 BMW i8 (#1, first appearance in a video game)
2016 Bentley Bentayga
1987 Nissan Skyline GTS-R (R31)

New to Forza franchise:
2014 Ford #11 Rockstar Energy F-150 Trophy Truck
1972 Ford Falcon XA GT-HO
2016 Radical RXC Turbo
2015 Volvo V60 Polestar

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February update

Most requested:
2016 Honda Civic Type R (top 20)
2017 Aston Martin DB11 (#25)
2016 Cadillac ATS-V
Ferrari 599XX (added with Forzathon)

New to Forza:
1985 HDT VK Commodore Group A
1970 Honda S800
1990 Renault Alpine GTA Le Mans
2016 Vauxhall Corsa VXR

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