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#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 6:20:33 AM(UTC)
neil3646 spotted the next unicorn car added to the game via content update:

1971 Ford Falcon XY GTHO Phase III appears in the search filters for Gallery and multiplayer customization but isn't listed in the Buy Cars menu. In the multiplayer filter its shorthand name is Ford Falcon XY.

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#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 6:32:57 AM(UTC)
Brings me to the question, what is now with the Nissa Silvia '66? Will it find the way also into the "BuyMe"-Menu?
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 7:10:46 AM(UTC)
To date, unicorn cars in Forza games have not become non-unicorn cars. The Silvia and three other unicorns were offered as prizes in Photocomp 41 and that week's Livery contest. The other unicorns weren't offered so I would expect that this and other unicorns will be part of a future contest, maybe the Forza Racing Championship later in the summer.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 7:12:59 AM(UTC)
An extra thing to note, unlike the RS1600 and California, you can't force the AIs to drive the Falcon in multiplayer.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 7:39:16 AM(UTC)
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To date, unicorn cars in Forza games have not become non-unicorn cars. The Silvia and three other unicorns were offered as prizes in Photocomp 41 and that week's Livery contest. The other unicorns weren't offered so I would expect that this and other unicorns will be part of a future contest, maybe the Forza Racing Championship later in the summer.


Though the Nissan Silvia '66 is not only in hands of people who compete that PhotoContest. So it's not really an unicorn now, and there was a chance to buy that car in career mode (May caused by a bug), so in my opinion it should get openend for everyone.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 8:39:14 AM(UTC)
The drivatars in multiplayer cannot use this unicorn car at all much like a most of the other unicorns so there is no way to get any photos of the car as well as it's class. It means that FM6 now has 7 unicorns to collect and that 3 of them have yet to get into anyone's hands. We'll see when Turn 10 does an event for this as well as the previous two unicorns.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 9:43:35 AM(UTC)
Since we can't get any in-game photos of the unicorn, I did a quick search of the interwebs to see what this car looks like.

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#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:35:44 AM(UTC)
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The drivatars in multiplayer cannot use this unicorn car at all much like a most of the other unicorns so there is no way to get any photos of the car as well as it's class. It means that FM6 now has 7 unicorns to collect and that 3 of them have yet to get into anyone's hands. We'll see when Turn 10 does an event for this as well as the previous two unicorns.


Actually, there's 8 unicorns now:

Ford Escort RS1600
Ferrari California
Ford Falcon XY GTHO
Nissan Silvia
Ferrari 312P
Aston Martin V8 Vantage
Lamborghini Huracan ST
Dodge Charger FnF
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:42:56 AM(UTC)
The Fast & Furious Charger was a code car, like other promotional codes. Those differ from unicorns in that unicorns can only be obtained as a gift.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:14:58 AM(UTC)
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The Fast & Furious Charger was a code car, like other promotional codes. Those differ from unicorns in that unicorns can only be obtained as a gift.


That's not entirely true, other promotional cars were always a copy/paste of an existing car in the game but with a new livery and a seperate name (e.g. base MX-5 got the MX-5 Pringles Edition added, base Ford GT got the Ford GT NutriGrain Edition added). The FnF Charger is unique in that aspect that there is no base model that is already in the game nor is the car called Dodge Charger XBox Video Edition or something. I know it's technically not a unicorn in that aspect that it was never part of a competition, but neither was the 1966 Silvia (until that photo/paint event recently).

So I do consider the FnF Charger as a unicorn as well since it is a unique car after all.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:22:01 AM(UTC)
The difference isn't in uniqueness - the Chryslus and Ford GTLM were code cars - the difference is that once you have a code you can buy duplicates from the Buy Cars menu. You can't do that with unicorns.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 12:11:42 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: ManteoMax Go to Quoted Post
neil3646 spotted the next unicorn car added to the game via content update:

1971 Ford Falcon XY GTHO Phase III appears in the search filters for Gallery and multiplayer customization but isn't listed in the Buy Cars menu. In the multiplayer filter its shorthand name is Ford Falcon XY.



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#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 2:37:58 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ManteoMax Go to Quoted Post
neil3646 spotted the next unicorn car added to the game via content update:

1971 Ford Falcon XY GTHO Phase III appears in the search filters for Gallery and multiplayer customization but isn't listed in the Buy Cars menu. In the multiplayer filter its shorthand name is Ford Falcon XY.



Christmas in July!!!!!!!!!


While it's nice that we'll have another unicorn to go for, it's anyone's guess as to when Turn 10 will hold an event for the Falcon XY, the other unicorn Ford, or the 2008 Ferrari California given that they said absolutely nothing regarding those three unicorns. In any case, it's nice to see that car added in once some are handed out to us.

As far as I know, the previous appearances of these unicorns are as follows:

1966 Nissan Silva: New to Forza Motorsport
1971 Ferrari 312 P: Was a DLC vehicle in FM4 and FM5
1977 Aston Martin V8 Vantage: Was in FM4
2015 Lamborghini Huracan ST: New to Forza Motorsport
2008 Ferrari California: Was in FM3, FM4, and FM5
1973 Ford Escort RS1600: New to Forza Motorsport
1971 Ford Falcon XY GTHO Phase III: New to Forza Motorsport

The choice of unicorns for FM6 are interesting given that some of the cars are completely new to the series(the RS1600 Fast and Furious edition is a DLC car, stock model is new) while the others have been in previous games with the California and V8 vantage being base game cars while the 312 P being a DLC car for the previous 2 FM games. Most of the FM6 unicorns are unique in that there isn't a similar package of them except for the Ford Falcon XY which has the 1973 Ford XB Falcon GT as a similar model to the unicorn in question. If the performance class holds up, I'll be willing to bet that the Ford Falcon XY is in D class and can compete in Historic American Muscle in career mode.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:04:51 PM(UTC)
Wow well Turn 10 have pulled a clanger here.

A friend was excited to see this car in the FH3 list and had hoped it would be added with the car pack and they would have bought the car pack if this car was in it.

They will not buy the car pack now as they do not like the cars in the pack.

I won't either.

Sick of cars that are wanted being unicorns.

EDIT: just to expand on this I have Forza friends who do not come to the forums. They are racers not painters and not photographers. Their expectation is that if content is added to the game they choose whether to buy it or not. Just think about this for a second for the majority of players who do not come to the forums - their expectations on game content would be different than the forumites. I really think Turn 10 should rethink the unicorn idea or drop it altogether since most players are not on these forums.

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:11:14 PM(UTC)
As an GTHO fan residing in local.au, I'll be quite grumpy if there isn't a reasonable way to gather this iconic car.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:18:05 PM(UTC)
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As an GTHO fan residing in local.au, I'll be quite grumpy if there isn't a reasonable way to gather this iconic car.

I've been asking for this car for some time , even did a livery on the XB that was similar to the GTHO. Would be a cruel joke if I wasn't able to obtain it :(
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 5:55:44 PM(UTC)
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As an GTHO fan residing in local.au, I'll be quite grumpy if there isn't a reasonable way to gather this iconic car.


As a Holden fan I'll be very disappointed if I can't get this car. It's easily the greatest car ever made in Australia. Just give me the E49 Charger and I'll have my holy trinity of it, the A9X and GTHO. Can't wait for FH3 as there's a good chance of seeing some Mopar muscle in that.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 6:24:40 PM(UTC)
I agree with the local sentiment being posted, I want the ability to obtain the GTHO in game. Not really happy it is a unicorn but we could always ask the Unicorn Saint nicely until we start receiving this car. We need more opportunities to easily obtain the unicorns.

Maybe setting a clean rival lap on the car's 'home' track each week and then cycle it to the next unicorn the next week upon the weekly rewards refresh.

Just because I prefer one brand doesn't mean I don't appreciate the other local classics.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 7:50:44 PM(UTC)
What I find interesting about the Unicorns are that 5 of the 7 listed in post #13 are form the 1960's and 1970's. These are the cars I grew up watching. The newer cars are great but there is something about these older cars I find more interesting.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 9:28:26 PM(UTC)
And these cars, along with their brothers, the XW GTHO II and Phase III and the not to common XA GT Phase IV CAN PULL REALY, solid money. The XY GTHO Phase II and Phase III can pull at least $AU1,000,000.00 - 1,500,000.00 for a pure 'original' car or a fully resto one with all matching code numbers for engine, transmission, body, correct colour and perfect Globe rims and Tyres.

The Phase III had a Clevland 351cu.in Ford big block, (also known as The Shaker) followed back to a T10 transition (toploader) and sent the huge horsepower and massive torque back to a solid 9" ford LSD diff. Other engine configurations were available for the various GTs. Everything from the small 289 and 302 Windsors to the bigger brother Clevlelands of both 302 and 351 cu.in displacements.

There were also non-Factory Specials called Super-Roos (google them) which held just the same equipment and were put out as post production vehicles, especially under Peter Warrens garage and car yard that resided in Liverpool City, my home town in NSW.

Hint request to any painters. If you're ever able to lay your hands on one of these great rides, please look at reproducing the SuperRoo decal that was always placed on the front leading edges of the front guards.... I'm sure purists would love them.

Many are acquiring these great cars these days as pure testosterone fuel of course and naturally putting them aside for pure investment purposes.

The Phase II and Phase III also came out as a Ute, a Panel Van, and even a Fairmount and were only available in a colour called Purr-Pull. (purple). Amazing colour to lay on any vehicle as its slight metallic finish really shone in the right lights.

The sedans were truly amazing cars which would decimate the racing circuit under than hands of some amazing Australian drivers for several years. Alan Moffat and Colin Bond were just two of the great drivers to manhandle these beasts around Australia's racing circuits.

Sitting in one was a pure delight, or any of Fords great Australian GTs from XR through to the XB. Not including the later versions of the racing breed of course. These cars were the ones that heralded in the whole GT range in Australia.

I was the president of one of NSWs major Street Machine Clubs in the 70s-80's (Waratah State Street Machines) and one of our club members had a very very rare XA Phase IV GTHO (younger sister to the XB GT that's in the game) that never really saw full production, but was only produced in very small numbers, 500, to fulfil Australian Racing rule requirements where the cars needed to be a "Production Vehicle" to qualify for Bathurst and the then Ford Vs Holden Racing series.

Interesting fact was though, a 6cyl (186-202cu.in displacements) under the rule of the late Peter Brock who won several Bathurst consistently against this/these monsters. Peter then slipped into the very short run LH Torana A9X Hatch which is in the game, that also only saw small numbers being made so as to fit into the rule books definition of "production vehicle" prior to a proper SLR 5000 being produced as a 4 door sedan.

Peters first LH Torana A9X was made up of 2 car floor pans. The front half was from the new LH Torana, with the rear coming from the late LC Torana GTR XU1. Thus fitting into the rule book for competition in the Australian Racing Series at the time.

Showing it wasn't all about pure horsepower or tourque, but the drivers ability to know the tracks like the back of their hands. Much like many of the LB time holders in Forza 6 that some gamers complain about or shout 'Cheater' etc.

It comes down to tying all three elements together, horsepower, tourque, handling, and most importantly, the 'drivers' knowledge of the racing track.

It was for that reason that the late Australian great, Peter Brock, 'owned' Bathurst.

That's it for some history of our Aussie favourites......

OZ

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#21 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:38:26 PM(UTC)
i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for it to actually appear in the game, the escort and the california still nowhere to be seen
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:55:09 PM(UTC)
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i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for it to actually appear in the game, the escort and the california still nowhere to be seen

While it was ill idea to thet the Unicorn cars could well be available to all much later in the game, I doubt that will ever happen, sadly.

There's many reasons why they are "Unicorn" cars. That is, hard or impossible to obtain etc.

Which makes them very collectable in the first instance. I can see the reasoning behind it though. It drives the community to compete in the various events to keep the game alive and active online. Which is more important than just selling the game as such.

It's where the company makes its revenue. Having online users using their servers, their product pushes their statistics higher and higher. This fulfils their stockholders desires and helps them reinvest in the company in general.

I would love to see the cars made available, eventually. Albeit only in basic plan factory colours of course. No specific liveries that they may have come out with, just the normal colours they were made with.

Thus making those cars with special liveries still very very special.

Thet would be great, and help gamers love coming back to the game over and over.....

OZ

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#23 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2016 1:09:49 AM(UTC)
Thanks for the history lesson OZ, some facts I didn't know. To add to it, the A9X is made on the UC floorpan & LX body shell, so as it could run rear disc brakes. Brocks factory team cars had 1 coat of paint less than other cars, so as to save weight, a lot of weight.

I miss my Torana Hatchback. 😂
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#24 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2016 2:11:18 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the history lesson OZ, some facts I didn't know. To add to it, the A9X is made on the UC floorpan & LX body shell, so as it could run rear disc brakes. Brocks factory team cars had 1 coat of paint less than other cars, so as to save weight, a lot of weight.

I miss my Torana Hatchback. 😂



Ahh yes, right, I was mixing up my Torana models mate. Although, I do believe they did use the front section of the clicker frame from the LX to hold the LX front suspension initially, I believe....?. As it had the bigger discs and stronger K frame?

I think the two pans were joined under the rear seat, as of that time, the LX didn't have a 2door version. Once the car was used at Bathurst, the subsequent newer designed floorpan was used.

The XA GTHO Phase IV only saw a few being sold ex-dealerships. My friend found the half build shell at a dealership and the motor was still crated and along with the interior. The rear wheel wells were 6" wider internally and the rear seating swab support had to be fixed to accomodate the bigger and wider wells.

So the trim had been taken out to be altered to suit it. It was a beast at the time to say the least, and it took him a solid 2 yrs of hard work to get it fully roadworthy again. Only 500 ever saw road registration. His was number 004 and all the factory tabs added up with all correct numbers, right down to the Red paint. So he made sure it was rebuilt exactly as it rolled off the line.

The reason for it being crated (pulled down) was that the dealership was considering sponsoring the car for the Tourcar Championships at the time, but baulked at the huge costs once they started the project. So he was able to buy it 'as is'.

And yes, all of Brocks cars genuinely had less paint on them. And, it was then that they started acid dipping the shells to remove all paint, and underbelly sound proofing. The lead that used to hide the rear quarter panel seams, the chalking was removed from all the floorpan seams etc. it was all removed as it weighed quite a bit when it was all added up.

Only applying 1-2 coats of Etch Primer, 2 weak coats of black primer, so that it looked original, as all Holden and ford panels at the time were in black primer. And just 1-2 coats of colour of acrylic paint. Not baked enamel or even Dulux Duco.

I'm certain the A9X used the two floorpan said initially, and used the LX diff unit. Some used the Chevy Sailbury 12 bolt..... Not the Sailsburry Banjo unit.

There's a good write up on the initial unit someplace.

Nice to know there's another Aussie car nut out there. I had a HR Premier at the time. Rebuilt it from shell up. Gloss black underbody. My own Burnished Bronze Super X Wildfire Metalflake paint that looked black at night, or deep copper under night lights, yet really bright bronze in the daylight.

Everything that wasn't welded on was chromed, incl all the internals of the brakes. Yellow was used on the larger components which stood out against the glss black floorpan.

It ran a 208cu.in straight six. A179 HP block out to 192cu.in, with Ford 272 Flat top Pistons with floating gudgeons. Pushing it out to the 208cu.in ran initially 3x 1" 3/4" SUs then 3 x 48mm Webbers. With proper fully tuned extractors measured from cent of valve yo end of tub at the first collector, then down to a 3" collector.

Had a monster ions 13:1 compression ratio running a mix of Super and Av-Gas.....

The interior was all pure white 1 1/2" Tuck-n-Roll doehide with white carpets. Looked a treat and really hammered when you put the pedal down.

And no, it wasn't a trailer show car. But it was Shown at the Australian Rod a Shows and our early Street Machine Nationals way back when. But it was shown and driven, as our clubs motor was always, "We build them to drive them". So it was my everyday drive. Sadly it was stripped down in my workshop getting ready for a show and all the engine and transmission was stollen during a Break-in.

Anyho..... I'll see if I can find info on Brocks LX. I only wish we got a Torana XU1 in the game. Peter dominated in that car, as he did in the A9X.

FYI.... (Anyone's) .... You can pick a 'real' A9X by looking in the front wheel wells. In the rear of the well, close to the base of the A pillar, there was a huge box cut out of the well, the base of the firewall and part of the front floor pan. This was to accomodate a large box that was crudely welded in to accomodate the huge tyres on full lock, as while it had flares, these were REALY un-functional.

The lock of the huge tyres on full travel as the car bottomed, the tyres could tear into the rear of the wells. And you know what happens if that occurs. Original A9Xs could also be picked by looking under the factory Flairs. If the edges of the guards were normal, the. They weren't real A9Xs. As initially, the Flairs covered the crude job of cutting off the lips of both the inner and outer guards, they were then pounded out, then the Flairs affixed.

Very crude, but the initial 500 made were done very quickly. And yo look at them, no one could tell really once the Flairs were bolted on. I had the misfortune of cutting my hand on one of the guards while repairing an A9X once. It belonged to one of our members. He wanted the guards to be finished off better and neater, put a beaded edge to the outer guard. But I convinced him to leave them 'as-is' as I told him that by 'fixing them' would actuall devalue the car, not increase the bale.

Many of our members liked to own unique Aussie cars, but we had our share of American a Muscle as well. 65 Malubu, a 67 Chevy Pillarless Imparla, sweet ride, a 55' 510 Sedan with a 396 Rat motor in it.

OZ

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#25 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2016 2:19:01 AM(UTC)
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And these cars, along with their brothers, the XW GTHO II and Phase III and the not to common XA GT Phase IV CAN PULL REALY, solid money. The XY GTHO Phase II and Phase III can pull at least $AU1,000,000.00 - 1,500,000.00 for a pure 'original' car or a fully resto one with all matching code numbers for engine, transmission, body, correct colour and perfect Globe rims and Tyres.


Prices have fallen from those highs since, you'd struggle to get AUD$650K.

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There were also non-Factory Specials called Super-Roos (google them) which held just the same equipment and were put out as post production vehicles, especially under Peter Warrens garage and car yard that resided in Liverpool City, my home town in NSW.


Source? These don't sound very well known, just a dealer special I take it? Google shows nothing beyond the decal itself.

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The Phase II and Phase III also came out as a Ute, a Panel Van, and even a Fairmount and were only available in a colour called Purr-Pull. (purple). Amazing colour to lay on any vehicle as its slight metallic finish really shone in the right lights..


You have a source for this? AFAIK the Phase II/II were only in the sedan body; you couldn't even get a ute or panel van as a GT, let alone a Phase II/III. The Fairmont GT was assembled in South Africa. Also Google shows nothing for thus "Purr-Pull" colour; I'd love to see a sample.

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The sedans were truly amazing cars which would decimate the racing circuit under than hands of some amazing Australian drivers for several years. Alan Moffat and Colin Bond were just two of the great drivers to manhandle these beasts around Australia's racing circuits.


Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but Colin Bond didn't switch to the Ford camp until 1977, when the Falcon XC coupe was the racing car of choice for Ford (who can forget the famous 1-2 finish at Bathurst that year).

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I was the president of one of NSWs major Street Machine Clubs in the 70s-80's (Waratah State Street Machines) and one of our club members had a very very rare XA Phase IV GTHO (younger sister to the XB GT that's in the game) that never really saw full production, but was only produced in very small numbers, 500, to fulfil Australian Racing rule requirements where the cars needed to be a "Production Vehicle" to qualify for Bathurst and the then Ford Vs Holden Racing series.


Wouldn't the XA be considered the older bother to the XB ;) Also, there is only one production Phase 4, and 2 race cars that are considered to be Phase 4 but not complianced as such (there were 3 race cars but one was destroyed I believe). I did a nice livery on the XB GT in the game that's based off the race livery for the Phase 4 :)

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It was for that reason that the late Australian great, Peter Brock, 'owned' Bathurst.


That goes without saying :)
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