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Anyone that wants to work together to get this achievement just add your gamertag to my message and when we get 24 people we can organise a time and work through each of us completing the achievement!

You can set the drivatar difficulty to the easiest possible setting. Get 4 other friends in the lobby and make sure they know you need to win. Then set the lap count so that you can pass 23 other cars and win. Then repeat 3 more times so each of your friends can get the achievement as well.

This method reportedly doesn't work.
That's why we are raising attention to that matter as we thought it would work this way.

ssrdemo

Edited by user Sunday, September 13, 2015 6:02:06 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

First of all, there will be many many more people playing multiplayer when the game actually releases. Do you expect full lobbies in pre-release?

This achievement does not need to be rethinked - it's exactly that - an achievement, something one must actually achieve. It won't just be handed to you - learn to live with that and go work for it.

That still leaves the starting position to random chance. I had a 21 car race today but started in 20th, how is that skill based or earnable?

Kids these days - they want everything to be easy. That's why I started my oldest son and daughter on NES, C64, and PC games first - they're actually challenging.

They're called "Achievements" - glad to see one that actually lives up to the definition. Now go shame some fools on the track from last place - get it done.

Once again... this isn't about "it's too hard" or "I want it served to me, waaa". Part of the achievement is literally random chance. I could start in last place and finish ahead by 30 seconds, only for it to not mean anything because it was a 23 car race as opposed to 24. Or if I DO ever encounter a 24 car race, there's nothing to say I can guarantee starting in last.

I wouldn't be surprised if 24 players would actually have to finish the game for it to be counted. Which, let's be realistic, will never happen. Those on the last places can't be bothered with finishing the game. So it is:

24 players needed (that's already a rare thing)
last starting position (1 in 24 chance)
win the race (meaning everybody has to be severely worse than yourself, no good players in the front of the starting grid)
all 24 players have to finish the game

It's probably gonna happen because random things do happen but I think not more than three or four people will get lucky enough to do it. The achievement itself may make itself unachievable. Cause if people really go for this achievement they will join the same games, the hunters that don't start in last place will instantly drop out, nobody can overtake 23 players. I'm not really mad, Horizon 2 already had achievements that were no fun and to complete 1000 points for rewards you could wait for DLC. This is the same.

I don't think all 24 players would have to finish the race because that simply never happens. Normally out of 24 people, only 17 or so finish so I think it only means there has to be 24 people when the race starts.

I think this is definitely doable once you get to the back of a 24 person lobby (which will probably happen once every 50 races or something.) If you can get past all of the inevitable pileups you will have a good chance. I would be very interested to see a replay of anyone who manages this.

It could be a requirement though.
Problem is, nobody really knows.
It would be nice if the staff could get some clarification on this.
And to everyone saying "This is an achievement, it needs to be earned" let me just remind you that this is a one of a kind achievement in regards to difficulty/randomness.
Forza always had some time consuming and also challenging achievements, but this is just madness.

Let me quoute Batman again.
This has nothing to do with skill but first of all you need two times luck.

And to all the others here.
Please start readings posts.

In my first post I said its not possible in private lobbies because people tried that ;)

I feel the best chance of this may come when the inevitable ABCS hopper comes along, starting last in S class with 24 players.

Yap, another good point.
In most of my races through all Forza-games there were often 1 or 2 people that quit the race before finish.

And again.

What has "be in a 24 lobby and start at last" to do with a achievement?

Check all achievements on XBOX. I think none of them is more luck based than this.

I still think the whole achievement is either bugged or not well thought at all.

Yeah they do force people to tune and paint who are rubbish at it but if they get the achievement than
they worked for it.

But this here is simply luck!

Edited by user Monday, September 14, 2015 8:59:01 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Not exactly.
With some friends (or as little as a second account) you can get these with just a little effort.

I know ;)
But then you or your 2nd account worked for it somehow.

Good to see so many people here from Trueachievments.

Best community for achievement hunters out there ;)
We need to stand together and get this fixed :D

As for the work yeah sure some "work" was done but you don't have to rely on your design / tune skills to get this done without a headache.
The point being it is a manageable thing, not relying on several layers of luck.
I really hope this is just bugged and will be fixed.

Edited by user Monday, September 14, 2015 10:00:10 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

You're right, it could be a requirement, who knows?

I don't think it would be though. If Lewis Hamilton starts an F1 race against 19 other people (in a 20 man race) and all 19 of the other drivers then go on to retire, he is still classed as the winner of a 20 man race. The fact that everyone else left after the race started is irrelevant.

Anyway, that's my logic behind it and I hope I'm right otherwise this achievement would be near enough impossible. I don't think I've ever seen nobody leave a full lobby.

yap I just can´t think that T10 wants to troll us like that and even a moderator here
said "try the xy mod" so even he thought it is probably an easy task.

Apropos.
"Back the pack mod" only drops in 300 K packages and that gives me big pain :(

But anyway, yap TA is the best community for us achievement hunters
and I´m sure we get this fixed :)

I'm in for organized 24 cars race to help each other for this achievement. Please use UTC time for scheduling, and I'm in ET zone, usually evenings work for me.

Well one could argue that this F1 race would count as a 19 man race if one of them decided to drive home with their car :P
On a serious note though, sure you're right, it would make sense that way.
However it's more about how it is implemented in the game rather than how it would count in real life.



It can also drop in the 150K packages even though with a lower chance.
But yes it can be a pain.
I probably spent 5 Mil on these pack until I got it (but hey it's RNG).

Edited by user Monday, September 14, 2015 10:57:44 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

The "Thru the Pack" achievement is designed to only unlock in public hoppers.

And how many players should get the achievement? 0,1%?

I completed every Forza game so far. Some achievements took some effort, sure. But this one is way beyond "Forza-like".

Don't worry about the players dropping out early. The game just views it like some one that does not cross the line before the timer ends. They are just another DNF player.
Good point about the ABCS lobby. This could also be in tag. It just says start in last place and finish in first. You can do that in a game of tag I believe

Wow, does the person who designed the achievement understand how difficult it is to get a 24 player lobby, and have you start in last place? Let alone having you get past 23 other cars without being run off the road in a public lobby?