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#26 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 8:17:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post

Sure, who would preorder it after best racing game ever - Horizon 4.

Are you serious?


Classic words from a kid. What can you do. After all the terrible support these three years, after all the mess the devs did to the game, lack of total communication, they never EVER listened to players at all, the game is broken as it can be, with a total useless support team, after all the wheel problems the game has, after all the idiotic limits the game has, after so many bad things that happened with FH4, you think that is wise to buy the next title? why people never learn? amazing. Dont worry, FH5 is going to be even worst than FH4, thats for sure. Because if most people think like you.. bad, really bad and concerning. Addiction is a terrible thing.

Why should they listen to the players? Are you a little kid? Nobody cares about your opinion! It's THEIR game, not yours. Don't buy it if you don't want to.

Amazing game will get another amazing successor.
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#27 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 8:50:46 AM(UTC)
I have pre-ordered every Turn10 game since Motorsport 3, except for MS5, Ultimate Editions for all, including later getting MS2 and MS5. I will NOT be pre-ordering this one as I learned my lesson with Horizon 4. I MAY try it on Gamepass but haven't decided for sure on that. While I at first liked H4 the developers took the franchise in directions I do not want to go. I want to do what I want in a game and being constantly FORCED to do things I do not like turned the game into a chore instead of a fun game. So, not this guy, no more.
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#28 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 8:55:33 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: George RGJ Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post

Sure, who would preorder it after best racing game ever - Horizon 4.

Are you serious?


Classic words from a kid. What can you do. After all the terrible support these three years, after all the mess the devs did to the game, lack of total communication, they never EVER listened to players at all, the game is broken as it can be, with a total useless support team, after all the wheel problems the game has, after all the idiotic limits the game has, after so many bad things that happened with FH4, you think that is wise to buy the next title? why people never learn? amazing. Dont worry, FH5 is going to be even worst than FH4, thats for sure. Because if most people think like you.. bad, really bad and concerning. Addiction is a terrible thing.

Why should they listen to the players? Are you a little kid? Nobody cares about your opinion! It's THEIR game, not yours. Don't buy it if you don't want to.

Amazing game will get another amazing successor.


It realy doesnt matter if you like FH4 or not. Hate it or love it, you dont give a company money for a product that isn't released yet. We saw one trailer, thats it. Dont buy something because of a single trailer. Wait for the release and then spend your money.

Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post
[quote=George RGJ;1193355][quote=turtleCZ;1193348]
Amazing game will get another amazing successor.


Do you know the tale of "need for speed"?

Edited by user Monday, June 14, 2021 8:56:49 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#29 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 9:10:41 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: IIcrosstigerII Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: George RGJ Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post

Sure, who would preorder it after best racing game ever - Horizon 4.

Are you serious?


Classic words from a kid. What can you do. After all the terrible support these three years, after all the mess the devs did to the game, lack of total communication, they never EVER listened to players at all, the game is broken as it can be, with a total useless support team, after all the wheel problems the game has, after all the idiotic limits the game has, after so many bad things that happened with FH4, you think that is wise to buy the next title? why people never learn? amazing. Dont worry, FH5 is going to be even worst than FH4, thats for sure. Because if most people think like you.. bad, really bad and concerning. Addiction is a terrible thing.

Why should they listen to the players? Are you a little kid? Nobody cares about your opinion! It's THEIR game, not yours. Don't buy it if you don't want to.

Amazing game will get another amazing successor.


It realy doesnt matter if you like FH4 or not. Hate it or love it, you dont give a company money for a product that isn't released yet. We saw one trailer, thats it. Dont buy something because of a single trailer. Wait for the release and then spend your money.

Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post
[quote=George RGJ;1193355][quote=turtleCZ;1193348]
Amazing game will get another amazing successor.


Do you know the tale of "need for speed"?

It's called development support. They can't do games without money. They do awesome racing games so there is a chance next one will be superb too. It's OK if you are scary to invest into others.

Every NFS was different. Every Motorsport is the same and Horizon too.
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#30 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 9:19:10 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: IIcrosstigerII Go to Quoted Post


It realy doesnt matter if you like FH4 or not. Hate it or love it, you dont give a company money for a product that isn't released yet. We saw one trailer, thats it. Dont buy something because of a single trailer. Wait for the release and then spend your money.


Just to clarify - you do know that money isn't taken for pre-orders until the game ships (be that physically or digitally)?

Pre-ordering the game right simply means that it shows under your "pre-orders" tab and in "my games and apps".
The benefit of that (for me) is that it's now there as a thumbnail reminder of something to look forward to - a bit like sticking the presents under the tree before Christmas. It will also download automatically as soon as it becomes available so I won't have to worry about waiting until release and then waiting again for a download.

I'm 100% with you that people shouldn't be emptying their bank accounts for a product before it exists but that's not really what happens with pre-ordered games.

As I say - just to clarify in case wires were getting crossed.





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#31 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 9:45:01 AM(UTC)
Pre-Ordering a Forza Game is a lot like sex. Even if it's bad, its still a good time. It's the safest pre-order game you can get, you know what you are getting and the games typically play great. I know I am going to buy it anyway so might as well budget the money now than later. Even if it's going to be held until release.
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#32 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 9:50:42 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: George RGJ Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post

Sure, who would preorder it after best racing game ever - Horizon 4.

Are you serious?


Classic words from a kid. What can you do. After all the terrible support these three years, after all the mess the devs did to the game, lack of total communication, they never EVER listened to players at all, the game is broken as it can be, with a total useless support team, after all the wheel problems the game has, after all the idiotic limits the game has, after so many bad things that happened with FH4, you think that is wise to buy the next title? why people never learn? amazing. Dont worry, FH5 is going to be even worst than FH4, thats for sure. Because if most people think like you.. bad, really bad and concerning. Addiction is a terrible thing.

Why should they listen to the players? Are you a little kid? Nobody cares about your opinion! It's THEIR game, not yours. Don't buy it if you don't want to.

Amazing game will get another amazing successor.


FH4 is a great game. It started out great and kept getting better, only over the last year has it gotten worse for me personally. Everyone plays the game differently, so it comes down to what YOU are looking for in the next game. I had 2 excellent years of the game and then the last year happened, I can't throw away all the fun I had prior. Ultimately you can't tell people how to spend THEIR money or their time.

Lastly addiction is a helluva "drug" but so is depression and grief. Some of us are dealing with such things and if Horizon games keep some of us in a positive state of mind, you can't blame us for being excited for some new form of "therapy."
Forza junkie since FM2. Horizons are the break I need from the track. 🏁🏁

FH4 and I HAD a volatile love/hate relationship 😑

FH5 is frustrating & NOT treating me better 😬
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#33 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 9:53:05 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Alasdair JCW Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: IIcrosstigerII Go to Quoted Post


It realy doesnt matter if you like FH4 or not. Hate it or love it, you dont give a company money for a product that isn't released yet. We saw one trailer, thats it. Dont buy something because of a single trailer. Wait for the release and then spend your money.


Just to clarify - you do know that money isn't taken for pre-orders until the game ships (be that physically or digitally)?

Pre-ordering the game right simply means that it shows under your "pre-orders" tab and in "my games and apps".
The benefit of that (for me) is that it's now there as a thumbnail reminder of something to look forward to - a bit like sticking the presents under the tree before Christmas. It will also download automatically as soon as it becomes available so I won't have to worry about waiting until release and then waiting again for a download.

I'm 100% with you that people shouldn't be emptying their bank accounts for a product before it exists but that's not really what happens with pre-ordered games.

As I say - just to clarify in case wires were getting crossed.







Oddly.. you can also download it now... not sure if anyone will. Hope nobody manages to make it playable.

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#34 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 9:59:10 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: George RGJ Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post

Amazing game will get another amazing successor.


Do you know the tale of "need for speed"?

It's called development support. They can't do games without money. They do awesome racing games so there is a chance next one will be superb too. It's OK if you are scary to invest into others.

Every NFS was different. Every Motorsport is the same and Horizon too.


And how is buying the game after launch (when you know what you are buying) not supporting the devs? Pre odering is not an investment. You're buying a product. Thats it. Investing means something else. Buy products that will be delivered to you now and not eventually in the future.

Originally Posted by: Alasdair JCW Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: IIcrosstigerII Go to Quoted Post



Just to clarify - you do know that money isn't taken for pre-orders until the game ships (be that physically or digitally)?

Pre-ordering the game right simply means that it shows under your "pre-orders" tab and in "my games and apps".
The benefit of that (for me) is that it's now there as a thumbnail reminder of something to look forward to - a bit like sticking the presents under the tree before Christmas. It will also download automatically as soon as it becomes available so I won't have to worry about waiting until release and then waiting again for a download.

I'm 100% with you that people shouldn't be emptying their bank accounts for a product before it exists but that's not really what happens with pre-ordered games.

As I say - just to clarify in case wires were getting crossed.


Just checked the stored. You get charged up to 10 days before release. Didnt know that.

@turtleCZ What did you say about supporting devs? Your pre oder money doesnt even reach them yet...


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#35 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 10:01:29 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DaReoCharmer Go to Quoted Post

FH4 is a great game. It started out great and kept getting better, only over the last year has it gotten worse for me personally. Everyone plays the game differently, so it comes down to what YOU are looking for in the next game. I had 2 excellent years of the game and then the last year happened, I can't throw away all the fun I had prior. Ultimately you can't tell people how to spend THEIR money or their time.

Lastly addiction is a helluva "drug" but so is depression and grief. Some of us are dealing with such things and if Horizon games keep some of us in a positive state of mind, you can't blame us for being excited for some new form of "therapy."

Yeah, it's just about how anybody can see it as a bad game. I don't care too much because I move to sim racing and Horizon is probably too different. But who knows. Good thing on sim racing is you can see in how bad shape are another racing games. H4 had a lot pretty dumb design things, many fails, etc. Overall, it's still the best and you can't choose better. No competition.

Sure, I am glad if you like Horizon. But I am not sure if you are for a buy or opposite :D
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#36 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 10:04:24 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: OdorousBag Go to Quoted Post
Pre-Ordering a Forza Game is a lot like sex. Even if it's bad, its still a good time. It's the safest pre-order game you can get, you know what you are getting and the games typically play great. I know I am going to buy it anyway so might as well budget the money now than later. Even if it's going to be held until release.


People said the exact same thing aboud CDProjectRed and now look at them after cyperpunk released. Or dice. How far they have fallen after BFV.

Just dont pre oder. If the game turns out great, amazing - go buy it. I know I will. But if it doesnt, it safed you 100 bucks...
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#37 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 10:05:23 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: IIcrosstigerII Go to Quoted Post

And how is buying the game after launch (when you know what you are buying) not supporting the devs? Pre odering is not an investment. You're buying a product. Thats it. Investing means something else. Buy products that will be delivered to you now and not eventually in the future.

Just checked the stored. You get charged up to 10 days before release. Didnt know that.

@turtleCZ What did you say about supporting devs? Your pre oder money doesnt even reach them yet...



Because it's after launch? If it's day 1 it's OK for sure. Good investment.

Yeah, MS store works that way. It's probably only legal option.

No. It's like: Hey, man! We have 13 millions of preorders! How crazy it is? Will you get us more money for the game?
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#38 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 10:34:42 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DaReoCharmer Go to Quoted Post

FH4 is a great game. It started out great and kept getting better, only over the last year has it gotten worse for me personally. Everyone plays the game differently, so it comes down to what YOU are looking for in the next game. I had 2 excellent years of the game and then the last year happened, I can't throw away all the fun I had prior. Ultimately you can't tell people how to spend THEIR money or their time.

Lastly addiction is a helluva "drug" but so is depression and grief. Some of us are dealing with such things and if Horizon games keep some of us in a positive state of mind, you can't blame us for being excited for some new form of "therapy."

Yeah, it's just about how anybody can see it as a bad game. I don't care too much because I move to sim racing and Horizon is probably too different. But who knows. Good thing on sim racing is you can see in how bad shape are another racing games. H4 had a lot pretty dumb design things, many fails, etc. Overall, it's still the best and you can't choose better. No competition.

Sure, I am glad if you like Horizon. But I am not sure if you are for a buy or opposite :D



My pre-order was done yesterday, already added the icon to my pinned games and to the home page lol. I'll be doing the same for Motorsport when its available. It's fairly guaranteed they'll get my money, how much time I spend playing either of those games comes down to fun factor, bugs, fixes and glitches.
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FH4 and I HAD a volatile love/hate relationship 😑

FH5 is frustrating & NOT treating me better 😬
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#39 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 10:35:51 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post

Because it's after launch? If it's day 1 it's OK for sure. Good investment.

Yeah, MS store works that way. It's probably only legal option.

No. It's like: Hey, man! We have 13 millions of preorders! How crazy it is? Will you get us more money for the game?


You really dont know how an investment works. If you want to invest into further developing go buy shares worth a couple of thousand dollars. Thats the money that matters for development. Your pre oder money doesnt do shizzle compared to the purchase 7 days after release. Especially since the money transfer only happens max 10 days before release.
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#40 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 11:18:52 AM(UTC)
No way I'm preordering this after FH4. Especially not since the store page is already advertising weekly changes, which tells me this will likely be another Games as a Service mess that won't respect my time. Maybe I'll try it on gamepass at some point, but honestly between the potential games as a service junk and the location that heavily favors offroad driving (all the screenshots pretty much show offroad/cross country, which was my least favorite part of FH3 and FH4) I don't see anything here that makes me want to come back to Horizon.
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#41 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 11:54:40 AM(UTC)
Preorder: yes
Yet ? not, in September
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#42 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 12:30:28 PM(UTC)
I'll be pre-ordering the fancy pants edition. I'm going to wait until closer to November to officially pre-order it. Should have enough MS Rewards points to get it for free.
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#43 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 3:00:34 PM(UTC)
I always get a chuckle at the to-ing and fro-ing of people about games and why they suck or why they dont...lol... especially people who bag out a game when the only thing they know about it is the first two short videos that only show a general over view and not much in real specifics or content as yet....

I have already pre-ordered FH5 and my reasoning is pretty simple... FH4 and FH3 were my first two Forza games i played as i am on a pc not an xbox as i have been a gamer for over 45 years starting with pinball machines then pub pong and have seen the evolution of games for a long time....but i still am a keyboard/mouse/steering wheel person...have never mastered a game controller and am too old now to do so...lol.....and yes for the record am now 60yrs old but not dead yet so still enjoy my gaming... :-) :-)

I enjoyed both FH3 and FH4 immensely ... Yes there are things i dont like about both games but they are balanced out by the hundreds of hours of enjoyment i have received from both games.... do i care the next one is in Mexico...not really because its a new map to explore so i dont care really where it is......

Some of the comments about support and things that dont work properly in the games....show me any games company that has good support or everything in the game works perfectly at this level.....unfortunately it has always been like this......dont believe it will ever change because the sheer scale of numbers will always make it nearly impossible...


Looking forward to November

cheers all :-) :-)
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#44 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 3:07:01 PM(UTC)
Not a fan of pre-ordering so far in advance because I really don't like the ambiguity of when my bank will be charged. I'd rather pre-order closer to time and have a clearer idea of when the money will leave my account.

Will I pre-order though? 100%, with the full Premium treatment.
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#45 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 3:14:20 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Monaro66 Go to Quoted Post
I always get a chuckle at the to-ing and fro-ing of people about games and why they suck or why they dont...lol... especially people who bag out a game when the only thing they know about it is the first two short videos that only show a general over view and not much in real specifics or content as yet....

I have already pre-ordered FH5 and my reasoning is pretty simple... FH4 and FH3 were my first two Forza games i played as i am on a pc not an xbox as i have been a gamer for over 45 years starting with pinball machines then pub pong and have seen the evolution of games for a long time....but i still am a keyboard/mouse/steering wheel person...have never mastered a game controller and am too old now to do so...lol.....and yes for the record am now 60yrs old but not dead yet so still enjoy my gaming... :-) :-)

I enjoyed both FH3 and FH4 immensely ... Yes there are things i dont like about both games but they are balanced out by the hundreds of hours of enjoyment i have received from both games.... do i care the next one is in Mexico...not really because its a new map to explore so i dont care really where it is......

Some of the comments about support and things that dont work properly in the games....show me any games company that has good support or everything in the game works perfectly at this level.....unfortunately it has always been like this......dont believe it will ever change because the sheer scale of numbers will always make it nearly impossible...


Looking forward to November

cheers all :-) :-)


Similar to me, but I'm 58, and I prefer a game controller. But really I disagree on most things you have said. Support has always been good in games until FH4. FH4 is the first game I have ever played where bugs are not sorted out, in fact most games sort out the bugs plus any textual errors like the one where the Castle Circuit didn't work last week. I played Pinball, I played Pong, I then wrote Pong for myself, and then worked on computer games.
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#46 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 3:51:31 PM(UTC)
Completely agree with Monaro, I didn't particularly care where we ended up. I've obviously wanted Japan since FH2 but I've never been vigorously upset about any locations we ended up but it's probably best they get familiar with what they can do in Mexico before we go to Tokyo.
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FH5 is frustrating & NOT treating me better 😬
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#47 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 4:42:56 PM(UTC)
I will not until Play Anywhere is confirmed. I appreciated getting 2 versions for the price of 1.
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#48 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 5:41:32 PM(UTC)
Premium Edition. Can't wait to play
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#49 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 5:49:11 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: TerrorCuddles1 Go to Quoted Post
So I have GamePass so I'll be downloading the game for "free". However I've preordered the Premium add-ons for £35, will this essentially get me the full game? Will I still get the 4 day early access?


They confirmed that you would in the interview they did today.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G66QBxHuhoA

Originally Posted by: Sendo Tenshi Go to Quoted Post
I will not until Play Anywhere is confirmed. I appreciated getting 2 versions for the price of 1.


As long as you get the Microsoft store version on PC, or the digital version on Xbox, you will. If you get the physical copy on Xbox or the Steam version on PC, you won't. I'd understand if you want to wait for official word on that before pre-ordering though.

As for me, I pre-ordered. I'm not too proud of that, but I had the money left in my monthly personal spending budget, and spending that money now makes budgeting easier down the line, and I'm pretty confident I'm going to enjoy the game, regardless of potential ways PGG can mess things up still. I just can't buy any more beer this month, which is fine. I still have a decent amount in the fridge.
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#50 Posted : Tuesday, June 15, 2021 12:32:23 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: AquaPainter168 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Monaro66 Go to Quoted Post



Looking forward to November

cheers all :-) :-)


Similar to me, but I'm 58, and I prefer a game controller. But really I disagree on most things you have said. Support has always been good in games until FH4. FH4 is the first game I have ever played where bugs are not sorted out, in fact most games sort out the bugs plus any textual errors like the one where the Castle Circuit didn't work last week. I played Pinball, I played Pong, I then wrote Pong for myself, and then worked on computer games.


Oh great. Now we gotta hear about how this guy worked on a bunch of video games and played a whole game based on buying and selling stuff. ;)
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