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#26 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:05:29 PM(UTC)
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BUMMER!! :( .... The Best I have ever done so far is 15%. Big issue is I still can't beat the New-Bots consistently, so no way to beat any of those Unbeatable Racers.
Here is my suggestion of weekly tasks for you to achieve 50% and avoid unbeatable racers.

1. Photo challenge
2. Forzathon weekly
3. Most if not all of the Forzathon daily challenges
4. Monthly Rivals (just take it nice and slow and stay on the track. You don't have to beat anyone)
5. Online Adventure. (Again, you don't have to beat anyone, just endure to the end)
6. Seasonal Playground game. (just stick it out till the end. Your team doesn't have to win anymore, so you just have to stay at it until the end)
7. PR Stunt: Danger zone. Get the right car with the right tune and you are golden for each week.
8. PR stunt: Speed trap: Again, the right car (preferably a great S2 or X) with the right tune, and you are good to go

You don't have to do all of those, to get 50%. Just pick the ones you want. Forzathon Weekly as well as the Online adventure are usually worth about 15% each, so completing those gives you 30%. Now just do the photo for 2%. and then choose any 3 from Rivals, Playground, danger zone, speed trap (which are usually about 6% each). or get about 6 of the dailies which are 1% each instead of one of the others that are worth 6%.

Good luck!

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#27 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2020 8:25:30 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche Go to Quoted Post
I wish they hadn't moved the very often-used 'My Cars' option from the menu to incorporate this gimmick. Sorry.

Moved within the menu, to the left side.


Yes I know, it just needs an extra press now and after playing the game for two years and thousands of hours, it just will take a bit of getting used to in its new home is all :p

Seems to me they should put the most used things in the most prominent and easy to access places, and the less important / less accessed things more out of the way.


It looks to me like they feature (placed in most prominent position) those items they WANT us to use rather than the items that really are the most used. This is not the first time they have pulled this stunt.


Like switching my car's turn on/off button with the one of the roof light. I am searching a word for that but none I find would be allowed here




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#28 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2020 9:48:47 PM(UTC)
I voted for the 2019 GT3 RS, but, since I hate the fact T10 didn't give us the Weissach version, I almost voted for the 599XX Evo out of spite.
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#29 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:04:05 PM(UTC)
Seems strange that the 1st Backstage pass is available at 50% season playlist reward for next playlist so earliest opportunity to get it will be in the Autumn season. By the information from the live stream theres a daily vote each day until all 6 slots are filled, so should take until the new playlist starts. But then what happens as if they do a weekly vote then 1 car will have to leave, presumably the Lotus Elise thats on their already.

Plus how many "passes" do you get for 50%? Just 1, so you can only choose 1 car out of 6 every 4 weeks?

To be honest Im not bothered about it as i've been playing for about 18 months so have multiples of each "rare" car and all POs so unless theres a PO on offer that cant be obtained via the AH I probably wouldn't bother with the feature. Just asking for the newer players that might be keen to get the rare cars they have missed.
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#30 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:17:17 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: ManteoMax Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche Go to Quoted Post
I wish they hadn't moved the very often-used 'My Cars' option from the menu to incorporate this gimmick. Sorry.

Moved within the menu, to the left side.


Yes I know, it just needs an extra press now and after playing the game for two years and thousands of hours, it just will take a bit of getting used to in its new home is all :p

Seems to me they should put the most used things in the most prominent and easy to access places, and the less important / less accessed things more out of the way.


My Cars should have always been in your Home menu, and not outside the house menu.
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#31 Posted : Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:20:14 PM(UTC)
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So how do I obtain backstage passes ?? Not really clear on what to do to obtain them.



Complete 50 percent of a Festival Playlist season and get a backstage pass which allows you to choose one of the cars offered there.


BUMMER!! :( .... The Best I have ever done so far is 15%. Big issue is I still can't beat the New-Bots consistently, so no way to beat any of those Unbeatable Racers.



I usually get 50% without trying to. It's not hard, and you are only playing on the Highly Skilled setting not Unbeatable.
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#32 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 1:39:46 AM(UTC)
had no issue voting for the porsche


geez how many times has the ferrari been offered so far
5 or 6
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#33 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 1:46:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BlitzHirsch7809 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: patrickb1973 Go to Quoted Post
So how do I obtain backstage passes ?? Not really clear on what to do to obtain them.



Complete 50 percent of a Festival Playlist season and get a backstage pass which allows you to choose one of the cars offered there.


BUMMER!! :( .... The Best I have ever done so far is 15%. Big issue is I still can't beat the New-Bots consistently, so no way to beat any of those Unbeatable Racers.



only 15%, how is that even possible
rival is worth 6%
the pr stunts are 6% each...so 18%
photo op is 3%
the weekly forzathon challenge is 15%
dailies ar 1% each, and you get 3 days for each
pgg is now participation only, another easy 6%
qualifying for ranked is only 1 adventure now, and participation only, another easy 15%

community championships 3 x 6% bots are highly skilled not Unbeatable
the trial is 6% and quite often you can just be a participant to get that too, so many people are bad at this

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#34 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 6:33:17 AM(UTC)
Quote:

BUMMER!! :( .... The Best I have ever done so far is 15%. Big issue is I still can't beat the New-Bots consistently, so no way to beat any of those Unbeatable Racers.


No, I *think* this means that you can ignore anything you can't actually complete easily, like the Trials let's say. My guess is the backstage pass will be the permanent 50% completion goal at the Monthly Level. Remember it's 50% completion of the *monthly* goals, the Season itself, not 50% per week. You can earn one free car a Month, not one per week.

Now, I'm going to hope you can beat the 3 races each week against "Highly Skilled" drivers.....all you need to do is complete 2 weeks of those (or some mixture so long as you hit 50% completion for the month) and I think you'll hit 50% each month, get the pass and pick from the cars available. It makes it even easier for people to get exclusive cars.

As to the person who said "Its only going to be Civic R's every time", this is a new store.....once they choose the Civic R, the Civic R will remain available in the backstage pass area for people new-to-the-game to choose. Think of it like a new autoshow, its going to get more additions every month (week?)...and those cars will persist. The caveat is that you'll only ever be able to buy a car once so you can't flood the auction house. The auction house, probably, is going to be very different...no rare car will command much value in it anymore unless its brand new or not yet available in the Backstage area.

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#35 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 6:51:49 AM(UTC)
Hello everyone.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but how do you get access to the backstage pass? It tells I do not have enough backstage passes to get a car, but all I've done is vote. And every season is at least 80% completed. Im just very confused about this whole thing.

Thanks for any insight and responses.
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#36 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 8:01:15 AM(UTC)
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Hello everyone.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but how do you get access to the backstage pass? It tells I do not have enough backstage passes to get a car, but all I've done is vote. And every season is at least 80% completed. Im just very confused about this whole thing.

Thanks for any insight and responses.


Yeah, this is going to confuse people who are not well versed in the borderline-criminal UI that Turn10/Playground use for their menu system, especially (!) in Forza Horizon 4. Its a frickin overwhelming mess unless you've been navigating it for weeks or months.

Backstage Passes (currently since they are brand new) are won by completing 50% of the Monthly Series Forzathon Challenges.

Forzathon Primer:
Every 4 weeks (aka: Monthly) a new Forzathon SERIES starts up. I think its currently at 24 or 26 or something.
Each Monthly Series consists of 4 seasons, one season per week. Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring.
Each Weekly Season (Winter, Spring, etc) has a set of Challenges to complete. Completing these will win you wheel spins, free cars, or Forzathon Points by doing each challenge.

In Addition To This... each Weekly Season ALSO has a percentage goal....so if you do 50% of the weekly challenges, any of them, in any order....you win a specific 50% completed prize. If you push that up to 80% completion, you win a different prize along with the 50% Season prize. AKA: You win doing the events, you win more doing 50% of the events, you win even more if you do 80% of the events. 50% and 80% are the two tiers.

ALSO In Addition to This... There is also a SERIES (monthly) percentage goal. So if you complete 50% of the challenges for that SERIES (monthl), say you do 50% of Spring and then 25% of Summer and 25% of Fall), you win another prize...and then if you do 80% of the challenges/events in that Series (month), you win yet another prize. Seriously if you just show up weekly and do some simple tasks you wind up with a ton of exclusive junk and cash and forzathon points and so forth....

The Backstage Pass is currently listed as the prize you win if you complete 50% of the SERIES (the month). So you have 4 WEEKS (winter, spring, etc) to complete enough Seasonal events to hit 50%, and you win the backstage pass, and then you can choose a free car.

The current free car, which is the starting car, I think is a Lotus Elise. The voting we are doing this week will determine if next week they add the Porsche or the Ferrari to the backstage area. So that area, month to month, will have 1 new car added to it that you can get for free if you use your backstage pass.

I hope that makes sense....and....its brand new, so I hope I'm actually correct on this whitepaper I wrote here :D

Oh yeah, Forzathon Points that you earn are a special currency that can be used to buy a limited number of items from the Forzathon Shop......there are usually hard-to-obtain cars, clothes, whatever things in the forzathon shop and that changes each Season (week). Usually the cars are ones that are not available in the Autoshow, which just happens to be the same pool of cars that they are going to be offering in the Backstage Pass, so the Pass is just a different way for people to access that pool of rare/exclusive cars.

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#37 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 8:27:05 AM(UTC)
My festival playlist is 76 percent and spring season is 51 percent. But i didn't get any horizon backstage pass. Can someone help me pls?
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#38 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 9:35:28 AM(UTC)
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Hello everyone.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but how do you get access to the backstage pass? It tells I do not have enough backstage passes to get a car, but all I've done is vote. And every season is at least 80% completed. Im just very confused about this whole thing.

Thanks for any insight and responses.


Collecting cars with a Backstage Pass isn't available until Summer (Series 28) starts next week, which you can't see in game right now because it only shows Series 27 seasons.

Once Summer starts you'll be able to see the new seasonal rewards with the Backstage Pass. You can see what it will look like from the livestream video here:
https://youtu.be/220BRifTwRg?t=505
Jump to minute 16 for more description about Horizon Backstage:
https://youtu.be/220BRifTwRg?t=996

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  • 2017 Hoonigan Gymkhana 10 Ford Fiesta ST (Hoonigan Fiesta)


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#39 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 11:13:58 AM(UTC)
This is more for late adopters.

Still, it only exists because nobody cares about the Playlist and PG needs to justify its existence...
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#40 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 12:52:52 PM(UTC)
I put an explainer post at the top of this thread. If more explanation is needed please let me know. I'll update it with the daily vote results.
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#41 Posted : Friday, October 16, 2020 6:57:41 PM(UTC)
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Why did they add this? It doesn't seem to add much of value and I wish they hadn't moved the very often-used 'My Cars' option from the menu to incorporate this gimmick. Sorry.


You people are strange

Why go to that menu when there is a perfectly good "my cars" option in the very first screen when you pause

6 extra button pushes for nothing

And you still complain about everything
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#42 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 5:56:58 AM(UTC)
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This is more for late adopters.


You're not wrong. But I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. I was a late adopter to previous Horizon games, so I can certainly appreciate something like this, even if I personally have little to no use for it in Horizon 4.

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Still, it only exists because nobody cares about the Playlist and PG needs to justify its existence...


...Neghhhh... maybe about 75-80% not wrong. I don't have the numbers, but I get the sense that there's still a few folks out there who might care about the playlist. But if many long time players are like me, they pop in on Thursday, maybe do one or two of their regular events, and grab the new exclusives, before going back to whatever else they were doing, whether in Horizon or elsewhere.

Still, it'll be nice to have some control over whatever duplicate car we get saddled with. And who knows, maybe one of the 3 exclusives we don't already have will pop up.
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#43 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 7:54:10 AM(UTC)
I love the playlist, but started late. I have everything I can but the pre orders and a couple of Top Gear cars now. Had I known about backstage I could have taken my time a bit more, though. :D

Just glad I wont have to mess around in the auction house if I were to miss a series for instance. If people are starting now it is a great deterrent to mess with the game and fund ebayers who exploit people's desire to access cars they may have got the game for too.

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#44 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 8:16:47 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NightDriver7800 Go to Quoted Post
This is more for late adopters.


You're not wrong. But I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. I was a late adopter to previous Horizon games, so I can certainly appreciate something like this, even if I personally have little to no use for it in Horizon 4.

Quote:
Still, it only exists because nobody cares about the Playlist and PG needs to justify its existence...


...Neghhhh... maybe about 75-80% not wrong. I don't have the numbers, but I get the sense that there's still a few folks out there who might care about the playlist. But if many long time players are like me, they pop in on Thursday, maybe do one or two of their regular events, and grab the new exclusives, before going back to whatever else they were doing, whether in Horizon or elsewhere.

Still, it'll be nice to have some control over whatever duplicate car we get saddled with. And who knows, maybe one of the 3 exclusives we don't already have will pop up.


I still love the playlist! Thursday playlist is something I always look forward to. In FH5 I hope they keep it, but make the Ai more realistic.
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#45 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 9:11:57 AM(UTC)
Yeah, the playlist is a terrific feature. I don’t use it much now but I still do the trial when it’s not too dumbed down. It’s great for newer players to get to try new cars and still a chance for more experienced players to try some cars they don’t often use. I’m critical of PG over quite a lot of issues but can’t really see much wrong with the playlist.

Other than the backstage pass annoyingly having moved the “my cars” tab, I can’t see much wrong with this new idea either. Will be good to give players the choice of 6 exclusives which have been voted for.
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#46 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 9:28:15 AM(UTC)
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Quote:

BUMMER!! :( .... The Best I have ever done so far is 15%. Big issue is I still can't beat the New-Bots consistently, so no way to beat any of those Unbeatable Racers.


No, I *think* this means that you can ignore anything you can't actually complete easily, like the Trials let's say. My guess is the backstage pass will be the permanent 50% completion goal at the Monthly Level. Remember it's 50% completion of the *monthly* goals, the Season itself, not 50% per week. You can earn one free car a Month, not one per week.

Now, I'm going to hope you can beat the 3 races each week against "Highly Skilled" drivers.....all you need to do is complete 2 weeks of those (or some mixture so long as you hit 50% completion for the month) and I think you'll hit 50% each month, get the pass and pick from the cars available. It makes it even easier for people to get exclusive cars.

As to the person who said "Its only going to be Civic R's every time", this is a new store.....once they choose the Civic R, the Civic R will remain available in the backstage pass area for people new-to-the-game to choose. Think of it like a new autoshow, its going to get more additions every month (week?)...and those cars will persist. The caveat is that you'll only ever be able to buy a car once so you can't flood the auction house. The auction house, probably, is going to be very different...no rare car will command much value in it anymore unless its brand new or not yet available in the Backstage area.


Thanks very much for the clarification about weekly & monthly (I didn't even notice there were 2 different sets of challenges). Unfortunately, as I said in an earlier response I can just barely beat New Racer Bots in most races (no problem with Unbeatable at the drag strip). Optimistic that when I get Weekly vs Monthly sorted out, I might be able to get to 50%. Not beating myself up over it as even though I am long retired and I like the game, I still just play it casually each day, Maybe a bit more on bad weather days.

Cheers to all who were kind enough to take the time to respond to my posts. :)

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#47 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 10:42:30 AM(UTC)
Didn't realize the backstage passes are monthly instead of weekly, really disappointing. Initially I thought this might be signs of the devs realizing the extent of the exclusive car problem and working to make them more widely available, but if its just one backstage pass per month and requiring 50% for the month, its more of the same sad playlist shenanigans trying to coerce players to log in and play more for their metrics, and to keep the payout rate of exclusive cars low for those on gamepass so they keep up their subscription.


Really hope FH5 does an about-face back to letting players actually enjoy cars, not stringing them along for profit and encouraging hackers/modders and a black market for arbitrarily rare vehicles.
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#48 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 11:03:00 AM(UTC)
I've been able to get every hard to find car without much trouble despite starting late July or early August. This makes things even quicker. Just hope as many others seem to that it gives access to those elusive pre order cars, but cool beans if nay.

Thankfully at the end of the day and in my experience there are no blacklisted cars that *can't* be bought in the AH. I got some random ones like that VXR Vauxhall, the Levante, Merc 280 SL, Hooni V2 & Pontiac GTO etc for peanuts as well. :D Didn't *have* to grind any playlist even though I would have been more than happy to.

I like that I'll still be encouraged to try out new cars I otherwise would never have considered using and getting some really fun gameplay out of them.
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#49 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 12:00:01 PM(UTC)
The Hoonicorn won yesterday's vote.

Voting on today's pair ends at 7:20am Pacific October 18th:
  • Hot Wheels Ford Mustang
  • Hoonigan RS200


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#50 Posted : Saturday, October 17, 2020 12:23:53 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Peregrine57 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NightDriver7800 Go to Quoted Post
This is more for late adopters.


You're not wrong. But I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. I was a late adopter to previous Horizon games, so I can certainly appreciate something like this, even if I personally have little to no use for it in Horizon 4.

Quote:
Still, it only exists because nobody cares about the Playlist and PG needs to justify its existence...


...Neghhhh... maybe about 75-80% not wrong. I don't have the numbers, but I get the sense that there's still a few folks out there who might care about the playlist. But if many long time players are like me, they pop in on Thursday, maybe do one or two of their regular events, and grab the new exclusives, before going back to whatever else they were doing, whether in Horizon or elsewhere.

Still, it'll be nice to have some control over whatever duplicate car we get saddled with. And who knows, maybe one of the 3 exclusives we don't already have will pop up.


Yeah, a handful of people in the forum is enough to say people "still care" about the Playlist.
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