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#26 Posted : Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:17:24 PM(UTC)
Hello everyone on the forum.

I've recently come back to forza horizon 4 after about 8 months out and wow, all the updates and expansions are amazing, they want us to put effort in online now and have they improved that (well not the connection time or us making the choice of events) but the ramming and bashing of others have been dealt with and no more well riding too so it makes you race and really put effort in to winning fairly, any way I'm struggling to complete one of the daily forzathons called "TURFED OUT", I've done a cross country event but not sure if it needs to be done on a certain level or circuit because it doesn't seem to be popping for me, any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Edited by user Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:19:19 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#27 Posted : Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:24:58 PM(UTC)
[Mod Edit - thread merged - MM]

Hello everyone on the forum.

I've recently come back to forza horizon 4 after about 8 months out and wow, all the updates and expansions are amazing, they want us to put effort in online now and have they improved that (well not the connection time or us making the choice of events) but the ramming and bashing of others have been dealt with and no more well riding too so it makes you race and really put effort in to winning fairly, any way I'm struggling to complete one of the daily forzathons called "TURFED OUT", I've done a cross country event but not sure if it needs to be done on a certain level or circuit because it doesn't seem to be popping for me, any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Edited by user Friday, April 10, 2020 2:07:53 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#28 Posted : Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:28:21 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: breeminator Go to Quoted Post
My recommendation for the Trial is the Alumi Craft C10, having tried quite a few others first. I've shared a tune for it. All the cars I tried can do similar times, though I did go a little quicker with the C10. but the thing that set it apart from the others for me was its stability and lack of tendency to get out of control on jump landings. With a wheel, it's really hard to recover if the car gets into a slide, and the C10 was the only car where I made it through 6 races without ever having the car get into a slide and grind to a halt.

The AI does seem like a bit of a lottery, though. I've had races where I did the same lap time around the Ridge, but in one the AI were driving away from me, and in the other I won.


It’s generally the Can-Ams which are overpowered, so if you get one or two of them at the front and they get enough of a lead on you to be able to phase through the breakable objects, you won’t catch them.

As you’ll have just seen when we were randomly in the same event, I find the Polaris works well. The main benefit is it rockets off the line, so I can get close to the leaders reasonably early on and stop them building a lead. They then drive at a reasonably manageable level.

Shame I missed a checkpoint in the last race - car is even shorter than I thought! I’ll try the Alumi Craft tomorrow.

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#29 Posted : Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:30:31 PM(UTC)
I haven’t looked at the requirements for Turfed Out but often they specify you need to do either a circuit (ie a race with laps) or a point to point (with percentage completion). Have you checked if that is a requirement and, if so, done the right one?
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#30 Posted : Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:53:57 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Jezza14 Go to Quoted Post
I haven’t looked at the requirements for Turfed Out but often they specify you need to do either a circuit (ie a race with laps) or a point to point (with percentage completion). Have you checked if that is a requirement and, if so, done the right one?


Yea it doesn't really say much just to win a cross country race which I've won 4 but it wont pop, it doesn't really say if its ment to be on a certain one or level either.

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#31 Posted : Thursday, April 9, 2020 6:00:52 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: El Barto inc Go to Quoted Post
A bit challenging trial, but we got to 2:1 and my Bug won all 3 events (bested even AI Can-am and Polaris)
So trial car B 700 VW Class 5 Baja Bug - tune 137 489 135
D 500 car was Morris Mini-Traveller, tune is from a while back for offroad, but works well here too - tune 113 152 826
S 2 Koenigsegg , I used CCGT with DJS tune
As A 800 Renault Megane I took RS 250, tune 610 753 292

Stunts ... speed zone done with S2 DJS tuned Hoonigan RS200, danger sign and speed trap done with offroad tuned Agera RS.

Edit
Vintage racer ... only one choice here for me ... Naopier-Railton and a custom route at Lake district (just drive straight) - 546 401 510
For Showoff I went to Mudkickers 4x4, set AI to new racer and in just few turns I got it.


Your tune for the trial with Bug is AMAZING! Thank you!!!! Turned an almost impossible trail into a breeze.
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#32 Posted : Thursday, April 9, 2020 6:17:09 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Jezza14 Go to Quoted Post
As you’ll have just seen when we were randomly in the same event, I find the Polaris works well. The main benefit is it rockets off the line, so I can get close to the leaders reasonably early on and stop them building a lead. They then drive at a reasonably manageable level.

I'd seen it high up on the leaderboard for the rail yard rivals event, so tried it, but found it insanely oversteery. I kept pushing the tuning settings more and more towards understeer, but it just kept on oversteering. I used it to set a time for the needle climb, as I thought it might be OP for that, given its crazy power to weight ratio, but I just can't deal with it oversteering so readily.

I can't quite beat the Polaris for the rail yard rivals event, but I'm now 10th on that leaderboard with the Alumi Craft C10, less than a tenth behind the Polaris in 9th.
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#33 Posted : Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:14:48 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Willy Wonker 1 Go to Quoted Post
Hello everyone on the forum.

I've recently come back to forza horizon 4 after about 8 months out and wow, all the updates and expansions are amazing, they want us to put effort in online now and have they improved that (well not the connection time or us making the choice of events) but the ramming and bashing of others have been dealt with and no more well riding too so it makes you race and really put effort in to winning fairly, any way I'm struggling to complete one of the daily forzathons called "TURFED OUT", I've done a cross country event but not sure if it needs to be done on a certain level or circuit because it doesn't seem to be popping for me, any help would be appreciated.

Thanks


read it again
Cross Country CIRCUIT event
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#34 Posted : Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:33:22 PM(UTC)
Jesus, I've never won a Trial by the skin of my teeth like this before. I used the one gear Polaris which was able to pass the AI slightly faster than the Baja Bug. The first race went okay. We won by a few hundred or so. Two people had left by the time we finished. The second race was the usual me and one other guy at the front while the rest were dragging the team down. It looked like it was going to be a loss until the stragglers managed to do some last second passing and turned the score around shortly before crossing the finish line. Thank goodness because we got slaughtered on the third race. So many vehicles trying to pass through narrow openings all at once...complete madness.
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#35 Posted : Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:51:38 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Willy Wonker 1 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Jezza14 Go to Quoted Post
I haven’t looked at the requirements for Turfed Out but often they specify you need to do either a circuit (ie a race with laps) or a point to point (with percentage completion). Have you checked if that is a requirement and, if so, done the right one?


Yea it doesn't really say much just to win a cross country race which I've won 4 but it wont pop, it doesn't really say if its ment to be on a certain one or level either.



I haven't looked in-game but the description in this thread for the first daily forzathon is 'Complete a Cross Country Circuit event' which specifies circuit, not just race.

Difficulty level shouldn't matter for this, as far as I know.

Edited by user Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:52:48 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#36 Posted : Thursday, April 9, 2020 11:26:41 PM(UTC)
[Mod Edit - profanity and self-censored profanity are equally prohibited - MM]
buggies cheating the entire race like no other game we ever seen and nobody does anything to change the OP behavior, the stupid force field, brake check and so on

Not to mention nothing slows down these vehicles including debris, trees, walls, fences, everything, and for the player, a simple piece of wood/rock almost stops you, omg so annoying


Whoever programmed this, congratz, you know how to do for some people never buy your game again!


With this level of AI, buggies should be banned forever from Forza franchise, nobody will care, just lots of frustration!

Edited by user Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:11:39 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#37 Posted : Thursday, April 9, 2020 11:38:46 PM(UTC)
I’m at 49% progression on summer season and I really want the new c6 but the last trial I can’t beat is the Easter buggy. I upgrade to b700 on any buggy but I’m still the slowest and always come in last... I can’t win it and it isn’t fun and I’ve been at it for 2 hours and I can’t win it and it’s dumb and not fun. Like what am I supposed to do?
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#38 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 1:18:09 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Jezza14 Go to Quoted Post
It’s generally the Can-Ams which are overpowered, so if you get one or two of them at the front and they get enough of a lead on you to be able to phase through the breakable objects, you won’t catch them.


Speaking for myself, on the off chance others are also seeing it is not only a Can Am issue.

In A class for buggies the Can Am is the issue, however my testing, and trail experience is that for B class the issue is any of the buggies the system chooses, and the OP opponent/s will be the ones the system has predetermined as the 'winners' (this is the reason in championship events that you will see the same A.I, get the same placing in each event unless something happens to stop them (usually human player interference)). For B class it doesn't seem to be one particular car, rather it is a manifestation of an issue that exists across all cross country events where the A.I. drive far faster, with far more grip, and better handling characteristics than they should have - not to mention, unless you are practically on top of them, obstacles don't slow them down, but they do slow you which certainly makes catching them much harder.

When I tested for the trial the Can Am for me was never the fastest, yet it always is when I do A class buggies. I am not sure if this is a change, or was always like this for B class buggies. The Cross Country issue is not new, it is a long standing issue.

Cheers.
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#39 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 1:28:12 AM(UTC)
Make sure it's a circuit cross country event.
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#40 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 1:44:10 AM(UTC)
Hello all,

Cars/tunes/suggestions for this weeks online seasonal events, plus the PR stunts, for those that find such useful. All tunes are my own, all shared by myself. ~ tune name / share code. If you use anything offered here, and you like it/it was useful to you, please don't forget to leave a like.

**Trial: "Easter Buggy" | Cross Country | (B700) Offroad Buggies
**Car used: 1969 VW Class 5/1600 Baja Bug (Autoshow 60,000 Cr)
**Tune: B700 CC Offroad / 775 102 937

A lot has been said about this trial, and my experience just mirrors what others have said, although I got lucky and had a reasonable team and won the event on first try. I had a lot of trouble while testing getting anything to be able to win against the A.I., and I was never able to win The Ridge race at all, best I did for it was in the trial getting 2nd . I don't know if my issue with beating them is skill related or skill as it relates to tuning, although never had this much of an issue before (I have not been playing Forza 4 since release so have missed some of the other infamous trials). My experience was never the same buggy was OP, it was different each try. I tired much of what the A.I. was beating me with before circling back to the Baja Bug, as I feel it preforms the best. I tried the other buggies and could never get them to preform like the A.I. did, some of them in B class can't even be tuned to speeds the A.I. was doing with them at lower P.I. ratings! The tune is AWD and and turbocharged.

**Seasonal Playground Games | Rail Yard | (A800) GT Cars
**Car used: 2017 Bentley Continental Supersports (Autoshow 200,000 Cr)
**Tune: A800 Games RY / 118 737 510

Yay, A class, when all (almost) the choices are in A class, and mostly high A class P.I. at that. The 2017 Bentley is among the highest in spec without any upgrades, and has the best acceleration stat for all in the class, so it was the choice I went with. Could actually get quite a few upgrades on to this considering its high starting P.I. - tune runs AWD as standard, sport tires also standard (no room to upgrade tires), has rally suspension. Considering the weight this car is quite quick, however the weight does show up in cornering, no tuning on a dime here. Heavy also means not slowed very much from hitting things, useful here, as the railyard is littered with things to hit. As competitive as the other cars I saw in the event, easy to drive, no surprising handling ticks.

PR Stunts:
-Derwent Water Speed Zone, 1978 Hoonigan Ford Escort RS1800 - 'S900 Rally Trial' (680 307 281),
-Moorhead Wind Farm Speed Trap, 2019 Rimac Concept Two, I used the same tune as below, but no tune is needed for this location - this car stock will easily do this trap,
-Bamburgh Castle Danger Sign, 2019 Rimac Concept Two - 'PR Stunt Rally' (120 633 544).

Enjoy.
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#41 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 2:58:08 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: WangKeRui Go to Quoted Post
I tired much of what the A.I. was beating me with before circling back to the Baja Bug, as I feel it preforms the best. I tried the other buggies and could never get them to preform like the A.I. did, some of them in B class can't even be tuned to speeds the A.I. was doing with them at lower P.I. ratings!

I don't think the specific car the AI is using means anything. People have pointed out before that you can have something like a Ford Focus keeping up with hypercars when the AI is using it, it's basically just a cosmetic effect, the AI isn't actually using that car in terms of performance. I normally choose the next car to try based more on what other humans are doing well with. That was what got me onto the C10, though when I tried the C10, there was another player doing well that trial with the VW Bug, so that may well also be good, I just haven't tried it myself yet. The Cholla, Mini JCW and Polaris are all best avoided based on my experience with them, mostly due to instability and hence a risk of a race going really badly, rather than them not being fast enough if a race passes without incident.
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#42 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 3:01:34 AM(UTC)
@TonyKartRcr
Thank you.

Good thing we are all different and we have a choice, saying this because I did try Alumi Craft, Can am and Polaris, but none of them work for me as Bug does.
Alfa Romeo - made in Italy, perfected in my garage
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#43 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 3:44:48 AM(UTC)
I cant do weekly Forzathon challenges, when i take my classic racer car, challenge does not count, please help guys!
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#44 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 4:14:12 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: El Barto inc Go to Quoted Post
Good thing we are all different and we have a choice, saying this because I did try Alumi Craft, Can am and Polaris, but none of them work for me as Bug does.

One thing with the Alumi Craft is I was puzzled when I looked at other tunes, as they had slightly better stats than my tune - slightly higher power and lower weight. I had spent considerable time optimising my tune - I wrote down the PI, power and weight change for every engine upgrade, and chose the combination that maximised the power and minimised the weight, for the available PI. I thought it simply wasn't possible to do better than I had done, and I just couldn't work out how to match the stats of the other tunes. Then I realised they were all RWD! So, many people might try it and be using an RWD tune, as all the first tunes suggested by the game were RWD.
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#45 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 4:34:57 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: El Barto inc Go to Quoted Post
Good thing we are all different and we have a choice, saying this because I did try Alumi Craft, Can am and Polaris, but none of them work for me as Bug does.

I just gave your Bug tune a try for Mountain Foot rivals against my Alumi Craft ghost. I did beat my time with your Bug, I think where it wins is it's slowed down less by hitting stuff. It may be fine with a controller, but it's too unstable with a wheel, so I'll have a go at tuning it myself to see if I can make it better with a wheel.
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#46 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 5:05:39 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: eazyplay82 Go to Quoted Post
I cant do weekly Forzathon challenges, when i take my classic racer car, challenge does not count, please help guys!


Try restarting your console. It's been known to happen from time to time, and a restart usually clears it.
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#47 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 5:11:02 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Willy Wonker 1 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Jezza14 Go to Quoted Post
I haven’t looked at the requirements for Turfed Out but often they specify you need to do either a circuit (ie a race with laps) or a point to point (with percentage completion). Have you checked if that is a requirement and, if so, done the right one?


Yea it doesn't really say much just to win a cross country race which I've won 4 but it wont pop, it doesn't really say if its ment to be on a certain one or level either.



If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's definitely a circuit race. you can tell by the icon.
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#48 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 5:23:32 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: breeminator Go to Quoted Post
My recommendation for the Trial is the Alumi Craft C10, having tried quite a few others first. I've shared a tune for it. All the cars I tried can do similar times, though I did go a little quicker with the C10. but the thing that set it apart from the others for me was its stability and lack of tendency to get out of control on jump landings. With a wheel, it's really hard to recover if the car gets into a slide, and the C10 was the only car where I made it through 6 races without ever having the car get into a slide and grind to a halt.

The AI does seem like a bit of a lottery, though. I've had races where I did the same lap time around the Ridge, but in one the AI were driving away from me, and in the other I won.


Thank you very much breeminator for this recommendation and tune, always like your tunes, no less because I play with steering wheel, manual on PC.
Normally don't tune anything if i can avoid it, assumed ( correctly ) the tune wouldn't spoil the looks of the already ugly base :)

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#49 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 5:39:27 AM(UTC)
I tried tuning the VW Bug myself, and was able to make it acceptably stable with a wheel. I ran rivals for the 3 courses with it to compare times against the Alumi Craft C 10.

Mountain Foot - VW Bug 3.5 seconds quicker, it has a very definite advantage for long straights, and when ploughing through obstructions, which there are far more of on this course than the other two.
Ridge - Alumi Craft 0.2 seconds quicker for 1 lap
Rail Yard - Alumi Craft 0.6 seconds quicker for 1 lap

So it's a bit horses for courses overall, both are good choices. The Alumi Craft has better handling, the VW Bug has better speed and is less affected by obstructions. Both of my tunes are shared.
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#50 Posted : Friday, April 10, 2020 5:55:50 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Peregrine57 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Willy Wonker 1 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Jezza14 Go to Quoted Post
I haven’t looked at the requirements for Turfed Out but often they specify you need to do either a circuit (ie a race with laps) or a point to point (with percentage completion). Have you checked if that is a requirement and, if so, done the right one?


Yea it doesn't really say much just to win a cross country race which I've won 4 but it wont pop, it doesn't really say if its ment to be on a certain one or level either.



If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's definitely a circuit race. you can tell by the icon.


It’s weird that the challenge’s description in english is incomplete, but is complete in french.

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