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#1 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2019 11:37:02 AM(UTC)
Hi, these players in blue team are abusing matchmaking, half the team left in the last race

https://imgur.com/HSvLDlE

Edited by user Monday, September 9, 2019 11:57:54 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2019 2:32:29 PM(UTC)
Bro I've played against the team you lost against...those dudes are boosting to get to 5K. I'm very surprised they werent the ones that quit. They tend to quit against me, i'm also a GM
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#3 Posted : Monday, September 9, 2019 10:28:24 PM(UTC)
They won't quit if they're winning - but if they start losing, the lowest ranked drivers will quit immediately. Happened to me yesterday as well with same group.

First screenshot while the race was still ongoing: https://i.imgur.com/UenLn0H.jpg
Second screenshot when the race finished: https://i.imgur.com/mhMQwwx.png

Just one single driver quit and that resulted in a 500 points change, it's crazy. Even if I was up there in front, they could simply have another one quit at the same time lol.

I'm not sure if what they're doing is not allowed since it's a system Forza devs put in place (and should've tested it better before pushing it live to online matchmaking). It's great for Trials, but it's absolutely terrible for online ranked races and should be reverted to old system immediately. Team ranked adventures are currently unplayable, I've met several other teams who were doing exactly the same thing.

Edited by user Monday, September 9, 2019 10:31:02 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2019 3:42:36 AM(UTC)
So this explains what I experienced recently, which I was puzzled by (I actually ended up on the winning side even though in the final moments it was going to be a loss). I was like oh we won, how did that happen.

The old system wasn't good either, whereby a team with fewer players had a massive advantage. It looks like the 'cure' is as bad or worse than the disease though. Maybe they can have a rethink.

And shame on those players who are gaming the system and cheapening the ranks that the rest of us earned legitimately.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2019 6:39:25 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche Go to Quoted Post
So this explains what I experienced recently, which I was puzzled by (I actually ended up on the winning side even though in the final moments it was going to be a loss). I was like oh we won, how did that happen.

The old system wasn't good either, whereby a team with fewer players had a massive advantage. It looks like the 'cure' is as bad or worse than the disease though. Maybe they can have a rethink.

And shame on those players who are gaming the system and cheapening the ranks that the rest of us earned legitimately.


Just to point out that this change (which has been in place for about 3 months) can never have been intended to be a cure. It means that now, not only do you have an advantage in a short handed team, but you suffer no loss in dropping a player or two at any time. It’s a ludicrously bad change and I suspect it can’t have been intended to apply to ranked (as has been mentioned it actually is a good change for the trial as the only ones adversely affected are the drivatars). I haven’t played much ranked recently so haven’t experienced it but it was a change which was obviously an invitation to game the system in this way.

Should be reversed ASAP.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2019 6:45:01 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Clamz0r Go to Quoted Post
They won't quit if they're winning - but if they start losing, the lowest ranked drivers will quit immediately. Happened to me yesterday as well with same group.

First screenshot while the race was still ongoing: https://i.imgur.com/UenLn0H.jpg
Second screenshot when the race finished: https://i.imgur.com/mhMQwwx.png

Just one single driver quit and that resulted in a 500 points change, it's crazy. Even if I was up there in front, they could simply have another one quit at the same time lol.

I'm not sure if what they're doing is not allowed since it's a system Forza devs put in place (and should've tested it better before pushing it live to online matchmaking). It's great for Trials, but it's absolutely terrible for online ranked races and should be reverted to old system immediately. Team ranked adventures are currently unplayable, I've met several other teams who were doing exactly the same thing.



Same exact group did it to me...I started writing down names so when I see them I know how to act accordingly. I'm sick of being rob of my rank by these scumbags. Why cant you climb your way to the top fairly? Why do you have to rig the point system to get there? No shame at all

Edited by user Tuesday, September 10, 2019 6:45:46 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#7 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2019 9:06:11 AM(UTC)
[Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D] And GodRation is another one. They really want those disco chicken suits I guess.

Edited by user Tuesday, September 10, 2019 11:05:17 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2019 9:51:32 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: theDiReW0lf21 Go to Quoted Post
[Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D] And GodRation is another one. They really want those disco chicken suits I guess.



I dont know exactly what they looked at to determine what new ranks are but I definitely moved ahead of people who were 2 or 300 points ahead of me before the last update. Maybe they actually looked into who's driving clean and who's wrecking others just to finish 1st

Edited by user Tuesday, September 10, 2019 11:05:33 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:41:07 AM(UTC)
They bumped everyone up a few leagues in the most recent update so people would get Star Card achievement. I think that's a very lazy way to fix things - what they should do instead is fix the scoring algorithms, people win too few and lose too many points. On top of that, when someone leaves the adventure, they don't count at all so you don't get points for them which is just silly, it's like you're being punished because they rage quit or got disconnected.

Here is the most recent example: beating a Grandmaster, League 1 driver and a few more mid-ranked drivers, I won eight points. Beating ONE unranked driver because other three unranked drivers left, I won 24. This was in team ranked adventure with exactly the same players on my team. I've read their ranked FAQ multiple times and none of it makes any sense. There are many other silly things I've encountered recently and I could write a book about it honestly, but what's the point if Turn10/PG don't do a single thing to fix this?

EDIT And of course I got into the adventure with those guys again. I just lost a hundred points because of it - it took me TEN adventures to win that many in the first place. I'm sorry, but either they get banned or everyone should start doing it until it gets addressed. https://i.imgur.com/tEsg911.jpg

Edited by user Tuesday, September 10, 2019 10:50:03 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2019 11:11:05 AM(UTC)
I just played some team games and noticed one of the players was using a livery which said GRAND MASTER CHEATERS

https://imgur.com/a/2VwMdbj

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:09:33 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche Go to Quoted Post
I just played some team games and noticed one of the players was using a livery which said GRAND MASTER CHEATERS

https://imgur.com/a/2VwMdbj




I always suspected they cheated to the top and now it makes sense. Everything is adding up. Also shows those who were 5K or those who were hundreds of points ahead of me are now BEHIND me in rank. While people like me who never got higher than 3500 are 100 points from 5K. PG must have noticed the patterns. I jumped 1800 points in Team and FFA.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:15:37 PM(UTC)
I haven’t experienced this particular group but I am getting sick of people quitting half way through. Use it as a learning experience. I’ve lost a lot because 1 or 2 just up and leave
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#13 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2019 12:36:40 AM(UTC)
my team also and i, we have met this team like 2 to 5 times in ranked matches, they use the "quit exploit" so they can win by using 2 of their racers, this exploit is make team ranked is really unplayable, my friend lost like 5000 points because of them, just please fix the rank system for god sake.
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#14 Posted : Thursday, September 12, 2019 12:41:41 AM(UTC)
edited because double post

Edited by user Friday, September 13, 2019 11:23:08 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#15 Posted : Friday, September 13, 2019 12:01:33 PM(UTC)
I can't believe this is still happening and is not being addressed by anyone from Forza community team. It's incredibly frustrating having to win five to ten adventures to get back the points you lost to people exploiting the system and leaving races when they're down in the last place. It basically makes the whole game mode unplayable, but there really isn't an alternative since unranked team adventures are not very competitive when you have 4-6 people in the convoy.

https://i.imgur.com/pUFXkwA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NNTBNKR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lnMTzlm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TqTTuwx.jpg

In my opinion they should immediately revert to the old scoring system for online multiplayer (excluding the Trial events) and strip every single person found exploiting the system of their rank and rewards while leavers themselves should get banned from ranked racing for some time.

Also when penalty for leaving the race is so much smaller than actually finishing the race and losing, you know the system is completely broken.

Edited by user Friday, September 13, 2019 12:05:55 PM(UTC)  | Reason: grammar

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#16 Posted : Friday, September 13, 2019 3:29:51 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Clamz0r Go to Quoted Post
I can't believe this is still happening and is not being addressed by anyone from Forza community team. It's incredibly frustrating having to win five to ten adventures to get back the points you lost to people exploiting the system and leaving races when they're down in the last place. It basically makes the whole game mode unplayable, but there really isn't an alternative since unranked team adventures are not very competitive when you have 4-6 people in the convoy.

https://i.imgur.com/pUFXkwA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NNTBNKR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/lnMTzlm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TqTTuwx.jpg

In my opinion they should immediately revert to the old scoring system for online multiplayer (excluding the Trial events) and strip every single person found exploiting the system of their rank and rewards while leavers themselves should get banned from ranked racing for some time.

Also when penalty for leaving the race is so much smaller than actually finishing the race and losing, you know the system is completely broken.


Have you submitted a ticket about it yet
Posting on here wont get it addressed
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#17 Posted : Saturday, September 14, 2019 5:09:24 PM(UTC)
Yes I did, talby. I made a few tickets, some of them were about different multiplayer issues and every single one of them got marked as "Solved" and I got same reply for all of them: https://i.imgur.com/thD5xgs.png

I'm still racing against these same people every day and even when we do our very best and actually beat them by getting top 3 (so them leaving makes no difference), half of them quit and we get no points (or one point if we're lucky). But if we lost, we'd lose at least a hundred. I have screenshots and video evidence for literally everything but it doesn't seem to make a difference.

It honestly makes no sense and I'm confident that not a single FH4 developer or employee has ever played a single team ranked game since they changed the scoring algorithm or they would see how insanely broken it is. Hell, even if it's not being exploited by these people trying to get to Grandmaster league, a random guy in 10th giving up and leaving can completely turn the race around - it's like now I'm being punished for the other team having a leaver and not the other way around like it used to be. I believe their intentions were good and they wanted to fix that problem in Trial challenges, but this should've been caught by QA team and never pushed to multiplayer game modes.

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