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#826 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2020 6:20:46 AM(UTC)
1:13.243 2014 Golf R

Originally Posted by: Mr Pinstripes Go to Quoted Post

Out of the box I think the Punto is probably the best-driving build I've ever done. It does exactly what it's told with aplomb and precision. Running a Honda I4/RWD swap on Race rubber. I did try the (Nissan?) V6, but the extra power and Street tires masked (not destroyed, mind you) the sublime handling of the initial build, so it got scrapped pretty quick. Not to mention it sounds worse. Setup uploaded as HLC29 VIR v1.0 if anyone wants to take it for a spin. Doubt it'll be competitive without aero, but it's surprisingly fun.


I would say the exact same thing for the 2014 Golf. I did, however, find min aero was about 0.5 sec faster. What should be no surprise was the fact that no matter what car I drove my time were inversely proportional to grip. Grip cars at 5.8 were over 2 sec off my pace with the sweet spot peaking around 5.3 grip. Given the top 10 filled with the Isetta, Bone Shaker, 65 Mustang, CJ5, and Dart I'm guessing POWAA/weight will be king. I have two Golf's, one on stock rubber at 5.2 and the LB one on street rubber at 5.4 that run identical times. The street rubber being obviously slightly easier to drive. With the exception of some gearbox tweaks to eliminate two unnecessary up shifts and a few clicks less front rebound and more rear bump to help with hookup, the springs/dampers/ARB's are exactly as forza set them. The car doesn't need the race box but.... why not... I had 1 PI and it saved 4 lb.

It must be my wheel settings but all the front wheel drive cars drive like **** , constantly yanking the wheel all over the place with what could be torque-steer but feels more like bump-steer. So it will be RWD or AWD for me on this one.

Other Cars:
Pinstripe's Punto #2 at 1:14.2 (loved it but I just drive different and couldn't trail brake without swapping ends - way more in it)
5.3 grip / 7.8 Accel RWD 2011 Peugeot 308 GTI #3 at 1:14.5 (RWD V6 at 2800 lb was just too heavy)
2016 Abarth 695 Biposto (1 sec faster in GBR Biff's 5.4 grip version than his 5.8 grip version)
2010 Renault Clio R.S. (couldn't break 1:15 in the same tune FastBud can take to 1:12.6)
2012 Vauxhall Astra VXR

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#827 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2020 7:43:12 AM(UTC)
01:12.062 in the 2010 Clio with JIM TacticaL365 tune.
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#828 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:38:04 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: BHR TRUEbk Go to Quoted Post
01:12.062 in the 2010 Clio with JIM TacticaL365 tune.


Great run! - So jealous... even rewinding every corner I can not get that tune under 1:14.5. Did Kid get it right, you've ditched your wheel and went back to the controller?

One of these days I learn how to maintain momentum.
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#829 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2020 11:19:16 AM(UTC)
This track is like Lime Rock in that it looks simple but hides deception and it will be a hard fought week. I tried several cars today and the Force guided me to a 12 Mini. 😉
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#830 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2020 12:47:18 PM(UTC)
Trying everything I can to stay away from the 2010 clio till end of the week haha

New time
1:12.695 in the 2015/2016 Honda Civic sport tire car very nice to drive 👍🏼
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#831 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2020 12:52:03 PM(UTC)
Adjusted camber a tiny bit and I think the setup is pretty much done. Could probably stand a touch of flat ride to balance out front and rear suspension travel a bit, but I'm concerned it'd throw the car's balance all out of whack. If it ain't broke, don't fix it and all that jazz. Uploaded as v1.1.

Current best: 1:14.167

I can for sure get down into the mid-1:13s with it (I've had splits that would have been in the 1:13.8 range if I hadn't botched them), and depending on how much seat time I get I could feasibly see getting consistently into the 1:12s.

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Originally Posted by: crash220 Go to Quoted Post
It must be my wheel settings but all the front wheel drive cars drive like **** , constantly yanking the wheel all over the place with what could be torque-steer but feels more like bump-steer. So it will be RWD or AWD for me on this one.

Same for me. I think it's supposed to be torque steer (emphasis on "think"), but it's overpowering even in FWD cars that shouldn't have much (if any). Must be baked into the FWD force feedback somehow.

Originally Posted by: crash220 Go to Quoted Post
Pinstripe's Punto #2 at 1:14.2 (loved it but I just drive different and couldn't trail brake without swapping ends - way more in it)

I'd wager the main difference is I rev match my downshifts (real-world habit I'm not even going to try to break, no pun intended) so my brake bias ends up a lot more rearward than it otherwise would be. I realize rev matching's not optimal from a strict video game perspective (especially with as clunky as Forza's throttle/clutch mechanics are), but I'm OK with that. The great racecar noises you get on entry are worth it.

Also: I'm more than happy to open source the setup if you (or anyone, for that matter) would like to tinker with the guts of it.

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#832 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:10:19 PM(UTC)
Decided to give these a little run with having to run the Mini Cooper with a similar build in a series with Zermatt on a sunday night, amongst spending a lot of time learning the new MotoGP game.

Ended my running with a 1.11.9 feel theres still plenty of time in it as felt i lost a fair bit of time in the last sector alone, i just couldn't seen to line it up properly compared to some of the ghosts i ran against.
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#833 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2020 4:59:22 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Mr Pinstripes Go to Quoted Post

I'd wager the main difference is I rev match my downshifts (real-world habit I'm not even going to try to break, no pun intended) so my brake bias ends up a lot more rearward than it otherwise would be.


Agreed, unfortunately I never learned how to heal/toe. With the Z28 I was able to left foot brake and keep the revs up but even though I'm fairly adept at the skill IRL I struggle virtually. I think it has a lot to do with the spacing and location of my pedals. The fact that my wheel is mounted too low and I bang my left knee on it doesn't help either! Oh and my shifter broke a week after I got it so the clutch just sits idle (paddles + clutch = too weird, three on the tree is more intuitive).

Glad to hear you haven't broken the habit.

Crash

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#834 Posted : Thursday, May 7, 2020 6:29:16 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: JParrott 46 Go to Quoted Post
Decided to give these a little run with having to run the Mini Cooper with a similar build in a series with Zermatt on a sunday night, amongst spending a lot of time learning the new MotoGP game.

Ended my running with a 1.11.9 feel theres still plenty of time in it as felt i lost a fair bit of time in the last sector alone, i just couldn't seen to line it up properly compared to some of the ghosts i ran against.


GREAT job my friend! I watched Zermatt run a couple of the TORA events the last couple of weeks. Were you running those as well?
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#835 Posted : Friday, May 8, 2020 3:49:59 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: HLR PRKid Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: JParrott 46 Go to Quoted Post
Decided to give these a little run with having to run the Mini Cooper with a similar build in a series with Zermatt on a sunday night, amongst spending a lot of time learning the new MotoGP game.

Ended my running with a 1.11.9 feel theres still plenty of time in it as felt i lost a fair bit of time in the last sector alone, i just couldn't seen to line it up properly compared to some of the ghosts i ran against.


GREAT job my friend! I watched Zermatt run a couple of the TORA events the last couple of weeks. Were you running those as well?
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Only the one on a sunday, didn't race last week but he's my team mate so should hopefully both be racing this weekend
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#836 Posted : Friday, May 8, 2020 6:46:11 AM(UTC)
I have 2 versions of the Mini... one FWD and the other RWD. Currently 1:17:1xx in FWD setup. Gonna see if I am faster in RWD with a smidgeon more speed and grip. I’ll report back later. Ran a 16 Civic that I was impressed with but the Mini just seemed like a better fit for my style. So Mini it is. 😎
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#837 Posted : Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:06:10 AM(UTC)
1:12.992 2015 Audi S1

Running similar times in both the Audi and Golf. With stock rubber the Audi builds out lighter, with more HP, more power/weight, and wider rubber = advantage. The Audi was harder to tame but in the end I think it is the better driving tune. Both are shared for the anti-Clio crowd.

Shout out to xAlea Jacta Est for the build. Now to figure out where I'm loosing the time.

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#838 Posted : Saturday, May 9, 2020 7:34:02 AM(UTC)
Well I finally ran the clio after tuning like 7-8 other cars for this haha

2010 clio 1:12.160

Will try to run some more later this week only had about 15 laps at her

Tune is shared 👍🏼
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#839 Posted : Saturday, May 9, 2020 9:10:07 PM(UTC)
Everything I RWD swap with the V6 runs about the same times. The 2016 Abarth 695 Biposto ends up lightest and the Ford Fiesta gets 370+ HP on square rubber with a 50/50 weight split. We'll see if I get more time to work on the Fiesta.

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#840 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:33:30 AM(UTC)
Afternoon all,

Not had a go at one of these for a while, figured I had a little time on my hands, so why not.

I managed 1:13.960 in the 2014 golf R, bumper cam with controller. Did try with my G920 before switching to controller, was about a second slower.

Tune's up if anyone fancies having a go with it.

Cheers

D
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#841 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:26:42 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DamMe2006 Go to Quoted Post
Afternoon all,

Not had a go at one of these for a while, figured I had a little time on my hands, so why not.

I managed 1:13.960 in the 2014 golf R, bumper cam with controller. Did try with my G920 before switching to controller, was about a second slower.

Tune's up if anyone fancies having a go with it.

Cheers

D


Welcome back DamMe! Got you down!

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#842 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2020 11:42:18 AM(UTC)
A 1:14.676 in Crash's Audi

Update: Took Crash's build and tune, swapped the front & rear wheel size and added the driveline (2lb heavier overall), retuned to make it less stiff and found a tenth - 1:14.576. Should be more in there but I'm too inconsistent through the chicane and quick left hander up the hill

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#843 Posted : Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:48:14 PM(UTC)
Chees Kid!

I tried to build a clio*, then gave up and tried the JM Tactical365 tune a few of the guys are running, managed 1:13.647 bumper cam still - but on the wheel!

In theory I should be faster on my controller (old habits & all that) but actually had loads of fun running it on the wheel & know it can go quicker if I can just nail a few sections. So might give it another run tomorrow.

Thanks for still putting these together.

D

*at various points today, I've built the other golf, an Alfa and both clio's lol

EDIT:

Still on wheel, same camera - managed a 1:13.243 today 11/5 - very happy with that on the wheel

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#844 Posted : Monday, May 11, 2020 3:44:44 PM(UTC)
Made some minor adjustments to the ride height, dampers, and differential. More QOL adjustments than actual improvements, but the car transitions a bit more controllably from throttle to brakes and back again. Uploaded as HLC29 VIR v1.2.

Current best: 1:13.899

Couldn't concentrate with my youngest stomping around smashing block towers and pestering the cat and my wife and eldest guffawing and passing silly cat videos back and forth over my head, so I'm sure there's a lot more in there. On a good run I can keep up with Kid through the esses after the first turn, then he starts to walk away from me. Pretty sure I'm mostly being outdriven, but the lack of aero is also apparent. Still hoping to see 1:12s before the week's out, and I'd wager a white-hot lap would be somewhere in the high 1:11 range.
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#845 Posted : Monday, May 11, 2020 5:21:50 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Mr Pinstripes Go to Quoted Post
On a good run I can keep up with Kid through the esses after the first turn, then he starts to walk away from me. Pretty sure I'm mostly being outdriven, but the lack of aero is also apparent. Still hoping to see 1:12s before the week's out, and I'd wager a white-hot lap would be somewhere in the high 1:11 range.


The Punto is a great car, and among my top-3 on this track/class combo. You can certainly run 11's with it. I was able to run it for a 12.0 in my initial 4 laps with it, then an 11.8 on 2nd run. Yet, then focused on the Clio and Biposto.


p.s. I did use aero, with stats at 5.7/5.7/7.5/5.8, and, 301 HP
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#846 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2020 12:33:28 PM(UTC)
Out of time for this week, so finishing on 1:14.360
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#847 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2020 1:29:48 PM(UTC)
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Out of time for this week, so finishing on 1:14.360


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#848 Posted : Tuesday, May 12, 2020 4:30:02 PM(UTC)
Official time..... VIR South...... HLR BURNINASPHALT..... Mini JCW 12..... 1:17:042 😎
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#849 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:04:12 PM(UTC)
VIR South looks simple enough, but has some tricky sections, none more than the final turn, which governs your speed over the line . The Abarth 695, and the Renault Clio stood out in the division, but several other cars could run them very close.

Less than a tenth of a second separated the top 3 drivers, with xAlea taking the win from FastBud, and iHoBo xx. BHR TRUEbk beat JParrott 46 to win tier 2 in the battle of ex-tier 1 drivers. Only 5 of our tier 3 drivers took to the track, and j0hn lee claimed a comfortable victory driving the 2010 Renault Clio using his own setup.

Congratulations to all our winners.

Here is a snapshot of the final standings:




Our winners:

Tier 1: xAlea Jacta Est wins a paint for his 2016 Abarth 695 Biposto.




Tier 2: BHR TRUEbk wins a paint for his 2010 Renault Clio R.S.




Tier 3: j0hn lee wins a paint for his 2010 Renault Clio R.S.




Tuners Prize: EZT CHRONIC wins a paint for his 2016 Abarth 695 Biposto.




To claim your paints, message HLR Moss to arrange it's sharing whilst you are waiting in the car to download. We don't want anyone else to grab them. They are each personalised for the winner and hopefully will provide you with a memory of the event.

For our next challenge we are off to the desert to drive some showroom rally cars around the Airfield. Good luck!




FM7, Series 3, Event 30
A Class (A700 Max)
Airfield Circuit
Restricted to any car in the Showroom Rally Division
Event will close at 9:00pm (UK time) on Wednesday, 20th May.

N.B It's a good idea to enable the track limits. The old faster route through the left hand tunnel will dirty your lap.

Prize Liveries for Tier winners and for the Tuner whose shared setup is placed highest when driven by another driver.

Everyone welcome.
Simply post your times in this thread. But please:
* Set your times in Rivals mode,
* Let us know which driving view you used,
* Let us know if you play with a wheel,
* Let us know if you drive Hardcore.

The Leaderboard can be found here: HLC Leaderboard

The Showroom Rally Cars

2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IX MR
2005 Subaru Impreza WRX STi
2004 Subaru Impreza WRX STi
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR
1999 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI GSR
1998 Subaru Impreza 22B STi
1998 Subaru Impreza 22B STi FE
1992 Ford Escort RS Cosworth
1992 Ford Escort RS Cosworth FE
1992 Lancia Delta HF Integrale EVO
1992 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4
1990 Subaru Legacy RS
1986 Lancia Delta S4
1984 Opel Manta 400
1984 Peugeot 205 Turbo 16
1983 Volvo 242 Turbo Evolution
1983 Audi Sport quattro
1982 Lancia 037 Stradale
1980 Abarth Fiat 131
1974 Lancia Stratos HF Stradale
1973 Renault Alpine A110 1600s

The Lancia 037 Stradale is sure to be a strong contender, after dominating our last outing with this division at Spa in B class.
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#850 Posted : Wednesday, May 13, 2020 12:04:35 PM(UTC)
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Here are the Tiers for our Event 30. Good Luck!

PRKid
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