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#1676 Posted : Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:26:49 AM(UTC)
I had one last run in the TZ2. Ran 1.38.9 but a fraction slower than Codcaos annoyingly. He takes the last section perfectly. Pleased to get under 1.39 though.

Onto FI now!
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#1677 Posted : Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:41:47 AM(UTC)
Sorry for the low participation during the Meadows event. I'm simply not a fan of those drag tires power events where it feels more like fiddling about getting every slide perfectly instead of maintaining a solid racing line.
Tried Bree's TZ2 and it surely drives great. Definitely the best drag tires build I've driven there. Couldn't manage a clean & quick run yet but the best dirty one was a 1:38.883. Just need to nail that.

Looking forward to the new track on Fortune Island.

Edited by user Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:48:37 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#1678 Posted : Sunday, November 15, 2020 4:03:04 AM(UTC)
It’s such a tricky track to nail clean on drags. Have to say I really enjoyed running it in the Doubledown- mainly as it felt right on the edge all the way through. Bree’s TZ2 feels a lot more in control but the second chicane, fast left hander and hairpin combo are still very tough.

Going to need some grip for this weeks event though!
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#1679 Posted : Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:08:44 AM(UTC)
@needle descent - Rayne/Bree/others, should I go for front aero and stock front width or no front aero and max width? Or maybe both?
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#1680 Posted : Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:58:40 AM(UTC)
I got within 2.5 seconds of the top 5 time using Rayne's tune for the Lotus 340R. The car and tune would probably be able to match that and maybe even take 3rd, behind the two Roadsters.
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#1681 Posted : Sunday, November 15, 2020 11:52:27 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: ziperrPL Go to Quoted Post
@needle descent - Rayne/Bree/others, should I go for front aero and stock front width or no front aero and max width? Or maybe both?

I find it depends on the car and track. I usually try no front aero and stock front width first, and see if it feels like it has grip to spare at the rear. I'd generally try front aero before increased front tyre width, but I did have one car recently where 1 step wider front tyres made a big difference to it.
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#1682 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2020 1:25:48 AM(UTC)
I had a two hour stint last night at Meadows to try and catch Rayne but couldn’t manage it. Can’t get a run where I get everything right so final times, assuming we have all had enough of this track now (TZ2 unless stated):

Rayne - 1.38.699
Jezza - 1.38.815
Bree - 1.39.271
Ziperr - 1.39.496
FN - 1.41.215
RB - 1.41.235 (McLaren F1)
Matteo - 1.44.204 (570S)

I think the faster Countach time is probably RWD, so Rayne’s time is probably the quickest AWD time on this track. IGreat driving and great work on the tune by Bree. Car is probably capable of a .3 or .4 at least as I can get a couple of tenths up on Rayne’s ghost - just can’t hold it when I do. Definitely switching to Fortune Island now!
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#1683 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2020 2:24:57 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Jezza14 Go to Quoted Post
Can’t get a run where I get everything right

I think I've worked out what kept messing me up on Meadows. There are places where it's tempting to put two wheels off the tarmac to get a wider entry, but the car just won't brake or turn in. I think what is happening is that the game progressively reduces grip for the whole car, rather than just for the tyres that are off the tarmac. So if you're trying to brake and enter a right hander, for example, and you have the left wheels off the tarmac, the right wheels should still have full grip, and what would be expected to happen is that the car would actually excessively turn in the desired direction, as the right side would slow down but the left side would slow down less. So I think I've been intuitively expecting this to happen, whereas I think the game reduces the grip of the left and right wheels by the same amount, even though only the left wheels are off the tarmac. I think this is particularly pronounced with drag tyres.
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#1684 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2020 2:35:44 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: breeminator Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Jezza14 Go to Quoted Post
Can’t get a run where I get everything right

I think I've worked out what kept messing me up on Meadows. There are places where it's tempting to put two wheels off the tarmac to get a wider entry, but the car just won't brake or turn in. I think what is happening is that the game progressively reduces grip for the whole car, rather than just for the tyres that are off the tarmac. So if you're trying to brake and enter a right hander, for example, and you have the left wheels off the tarmac, the right wheels should still have full grip, and what would be expected to happen is that the car would actually excessively turn in the desired direction, as the right side would slow down but the left side would slow down less. So I think I've been intuitively expecting this to happen, whereas I think the game reduces the grip of the left and right wheels by the same amount, even though only the left wheels are off the tarmac. I think this is particularly pronounced with drag tyres.


I also noticed that with the Drag builds. After the first straight on Meadows I normally brake into the "tarmac-gravel" line on the left to get a wider entry into the right hander.
But with Drag tires the car just lost all grip extending the brake distance by a mile. Thus, I had to adjust my line, brake fully on the tarmac and cut the right hander infront of the lamp post.
Excellent tune by the way and on a run with my best sectors combined low 38s should be doable.
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#1685 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2020 2:37:10 AM(UTC)
Yes, I took the view that there wasn’t any benefit in going off tarmac anywhere. Even cutting a few of the corners in the fast end section is very high risk as the car gets easily thrown off line.

I have to confess that I didn’t think much of Meadows as a track beforehand. I chose it because I thought it would require something a bit different because of the power and also very few of us had a time. However, when really trying to get a perfect run in this type of car, it’s surprisingly technical. There’s no section where it’s possible to relax.

The corner that really messes me up is the right hairpin after the chicanes and fast lefthander. The line that both Rayne and Codcaos take on exit there is absolutely perfect but has minimal margin for error - slightly early and you lose speed clipping the wall and slightly late and you can’t get the acceleration. I only got out of there ahead of Rayne twice (I can lead his ghost going into it fairly frequently) and, needless to say, both times I got overeager on the next section and ran wide.
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#1686 Posted : Monday, November 16, 2020 3:05:59 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: ziperrPL Go to Quoted Post
@needle descent - Rayne/Bree/others, should I go for front aero and stock front width or no front aero and max width? Or maybe both?


Without having driven the course it's hard to tell.
In most cases front aero provides better results than increased tire width if the grip level without both isn't sufficiant anymore.
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#1687 Posted : Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:04:17 AM(UTC)
Current early LB for Needle Descent (A class):

Jezza - 2.21.275 (Renault 5 FE)
Ziperr - 2.22.031 (Pulsar)
FN - 2.22.464 (Lotus 340R)
Squryl - 2.26.079 (Renault 5 FE)
RB - 2.26.079 (73 Escort)
Matteo - 2.27.548 (Lotus 340R)

My time is set using Breeminator’s Arrowhead WR tune.
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#1688 Posted : Tuesday, November 17, 2020 4:09:11 AM(UTC)
I'm going to try FWD first I think.
Tilo has set a strong time in the Clio FE which I assume is FWD.
Only did some early testing in a '74 (?) Civic with bodykit but even with Race tires it does not have the grip through the hairpins.
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#1689 Posted : Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:54:36 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Jezza14 Go to Quoted Post
My time is set using Breeminator’s Arrowhead WR tune.


Nice tune! Now to work on my driving...

I tried many many cars already, nothing that would translate to online so I'm going to step back there. With the Renault 5 FE already in my favourites I think this is the car to improve on times with.

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#1690 Posted : Tuesday, November 17, 2020 1:21:17 PM(UTC)
There are very few playlists where these cars will work as options online, as they rely on grip rather than speed - and the majority of Forza courses require a fair degree of straight line power.

I use Rayne’s 340R for FFA on a couple of specific playlists - the main one being the street race combination of Ambleside Ascent, Mortimers Pass and Holyrood. The massive cornering advantage on those tracks should enable you to beat the meta. However, because all those courses have a straight near the start you still have quite high risk as you’ll need to pass the leaders - a determined rammer can cause significant problems to such a light car.
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#1691 Posted : Wednesday, November 18, 2020 5:38:38 AM(UTC)
Very close at the top currently with less than 0.1 between the top 3 on a 2.20 run and a lot of improvements generally since yesterday:

Rayne - 2.20.991 (Clio FE)
Jezza - 2.21.058 (Renault 5 FE)
Bree - 2.21.087 (Renault 5 FE)
Ziperr - 2.22.031 (Pulsar)
FN - 2.22.464 (Lotus 340R)
RB - 2.23.877 (Renault 5 FE)
Matteo - 2.25.379 (Renault 5 FE)
Squryl - 2.26.079 (Renault 5 FE)

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#1692 Posted : Wednesday, November 18, 2020 5:41:25 AM(UTC)
Are you missing Tilo off that list? Or was his time set prior, I don't know.
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#1693 Posted : Wednesday, November 18, 2020 6:39:23 AM(UTC)
It was set prior so I wasn’t counting him as an entry unless he asks me to do so.
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#1694 Posted : Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:08:18 AM(UTC)
Yay! Diversity!
<crowd in background> Bring back restrictions, bring back restrictions, bring back restrictions, bring back restrictions, bring back restrictions...

side note: yes, I'm still a bitter about it :P

and now to the serious part:
1. tune for Pulsar shared. I can still shave some time with it. Can someone make a better tune for it?
2. Anyone tried EVO VI? ESV TAKATA have tune shared "needle 2:20". No matter if I used his tune or my own I was always doing times around 2:24 +/-0,5
3. WRX 04 looks promising, but I need to do more runs. And also here I would need someone to make better tune. My is sliding too much.
4. Tested few other cars. Mini/TZ2 was good for 2:22. R26R/Celica/newer Impreza was good for 2:24. Tried even Syclone/Transit FE, but there was no suprise. Still on my list are FE Remault's/Puma/CRX/22B/maybe some Lotus.

Edited by user Wednesday, November 18, 2020 11:10:51 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#1695 Posted : Wednesday, November 18, 2020 2:09:18 PM(UTC)
I did try quite a few ones that should have worked in my head. Only ones that worked, out of the usual, was alpine A110, lancia S4 and Porsche 718. I still can’t get why cars like Alfa 4c and Abarth 695 were so slow.

Edited by user Wednesday, November 18, 2020 2:13:50 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#1696 Posted : Wednesday, November 18, 2020 9:09:24 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Rayne SE Go to Quoted Post
I'm going to try FWD first I think.
Tilo has set a strong time in the Clio FE which I assume is FWD.
Only did some early testing in a '74 (?) Civic with bodykit but even with Race tires it does not have the grip through the hairpins.


I confirm, fwd 236kw 1058kg own tune that i used for ascent too.

At the time I did it, i wondered if opting for more weight could be a valuable option, what was your option Rayne ?
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#1697 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2020 1:26:28 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Tilo38 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Rayne SE Go to Quoted Post
I'm going to try FWD first I think.
Tilo has set a strong time in the Clio FE which I assume is FWD.
Only did some early testing in a '74 (?) Civic with bodykit but even with Race tires it does not have the grip through the hairpins.


I confirm, fwd 236kw 1058kg own tune that i used for ascent too.

At the time I did it, i wondered if opting for more weight could be a valuable option, what was your option Rayne ?


232kw on 1024kg, so basically the same power/weight as yours. I don't think more power instead of less weight will be beneficial on this track.
Your gear setting is definitely different though because your car launches a lot faster. Longer first gear?
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#1698 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:35:32 PM(UTC)
Switched to the 340R and moved up to 3rd overall pretty easily with a 2.19.8. Rayne’s tune. Should be able to catch the slower of the two Roadsters as I’m within a tenth but Kaminari will be out of reach, for me at least.

Edit - on a different note, I happened to get the same Summer S1 playlist on both my main and alt accounts (Waterhead, Edinburgh Sprint and Derwent Res) . Thought I’d use your drag tyres F1 RB. Won both fairly easily, although no one particularly good in either race. Times were strong competitive ranked times though 👍.

Edited by user Thursday, November 19, 2020 5:38:43 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#1699 Posted : Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:19:01 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Jezza14 Go to Quoted Post
Edit - on a different note, I happened to get the same Summer S1 playlist on both my main and alt accounts (Waterhead, Edinburgh Sprint and Derwent Res) . Thought I’d use your drag tyres F1 RB. Won both fairly easily, although no one particularly good in either race. Times were strong competitive ranked times though 👍.


Thanks for the feedback!
I've won with it 2/2 now (Drag NA version), took a chance on some unknown (?) weather... not so good. Luckily it was the Marathon and I could stay way ahead.

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#1700 Posted : Friday, November 20, 2020 3:21:28 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Jezza14 Go to Quoted Post
Switched to the 340R and moved up to 3rd overall pretty easily with a 2.19.8. Rayne’s tune. Should be able to catch the slower of the two Roadsters as I’m within a tenth but Kaminari will be out of reach, for me at least.


I thought so, as I was a few seconds slower and I haven't been able to do a very good run so far. I just improved by a tenth but I'm very ragged at times, the car slides quite easily.

Done 2:21.948, I think that's more or less the best I'd be able to do.

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