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Rank: A-Class Racing License
#2726 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2020 6:46:08 AM(UTC)
Probably best to give up at least for today FN. Sounds like there are too many rammers around costing you points. I think DRC may be working on a secondary account given one of his comments above - that might be an option for you as well, as a new account should move more swiftly?
Rank: S-Class Racing License
#2727 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2020 7:46:08 AM(UTC)
Hmm it might be interesting to see how quickly a new account can rank up.
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#2728 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2020 8:58:37 AM(UTC)
in RTA very quickly!
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#2729 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2020 1:21:39 PM(UTC)
Well I tried it, and it was an interesting experience while it lasted, but now I'm stuck because the game keeps crashing while using the new account. Basically once I unlocked the Horizon roster and was told to go to the festival to get my wristband, I fast travelled to the festival, then tried to leave but I just got the dreaded grey screen and crash to desktop. I tried again twice more and it did the same. I tried logging back into my main account and the game worked properly, so it's an issue with the new profile. Tried the new profile again, and it crashed again. So it's stuffed.

I managed to get in four ranked matches anyway and it was amusing to see such big numbers.

1st, beat league 12, qualified as league 15, 1324
1st, +694. Beat league 11. Up to league 12, 2018
1st, +635. Beat league 9. Up to league 10, 2653
1st, +372. Beat league 8. Up to league 8, 3025

But as my new profile is now apparently broken, that's the end of that journey.

Googled it and it's a common problem.

https://www.reddit.com/r...ime_i_leave_the_horizon/

https://forums.forzamoto...the-festival-garage.aspx

https://forums.forzamoto...-i-leave-the-garage.aspx

https://forums.forzamoto...-for-the-first-time.aspx

So I guess they never fixed it. lol.

Edited by user Monday, September 21, 2020 1:26:07 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2730 Posted : Monday, September 21, 2020 11:25:20 PM(UTC)
Not going to say I told you even if, in a sense, saying that I do not, is equivalent to actually saying it. Ranked is just not compatible with ramming being so welcomed.

Great achievement anyway FN and for what it is worth I do consider you and many others here as effective GM as achieving such high ranked level while racing as clean as possible.

The stats posted related to last stream says a lot about what is not the priorities for FH.
https://forums.forzamoto...pt--21.aspx#post_1173274

Few weeks from now, hopefully, I will switch on a whole new adventure and FH forum will, probably, stop suffering me raging for fixes/improvements and against half baked features, non sense menus, ...

Looking back, I just realize they did not went for nitro and throwing turtles, guess it was too much of probable licences issues or funds went short too soon.




Rank: S-Class Racing License
#2731 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2020 6:04:53 AM(UTC)
I decided to restart with the new account and qualify again because I was curious to see how far I could easily climb the rankings before I hit a wall. (And my ranked progress is unaffected by restarting because it's on their servers separate to any game saves.)

When it crashed before, I thought it was because when I qualified for the Horizon roster, I fast travelled to the festival site and I should have just driven there. But this time I drove there and as soon as I tried to enter the garage, it crashed. Restarted the game, it crashed again. Luckily this time I had backed up my local save first, so I've just reverted to that and it's fine. What it means is I can play ranked as much as I want, but I can't ever go into the garage again :D It looks like I am going to have to keep reverting to this old save because every time my influence goes over the threshold for the roster, I can no longer save the game because it will restart in the garage and then crash afterwards. Clap clap. (not just the festival garage either, it crashes if you save and try to exit a house as well.)

They were not doing their best QA work when they made this game, that's all I'm saying.

Edited by user Tuesday, September 22, 2020 6:31:06 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2732 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2020 8:22:35 AM(UTC)
Another four adventures. Just eight total to reach a gold rank. I'm quite shocked at how low the bar is, and I didn't even beat any tough opposition for that.

1st, +220. Beat league 11. Up to 3245
1st, +314. Beat league 5. Up to league 6, 3559
1st, +178. Beat league 7. Up to 3737
1st, +122. Beat league 9. Up to league 5, 3859



Rank: Racing Permit
#2733 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2020 9:36:04 AM(UTC)
I thought so.
is similar to RTA, "true skill" is not yet available. the account is too new, almost no offline experience and just a little online experience.
Rank: S-Class Racing License
#2734 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2020 10:39:27 AM(UTC)
Just had the first loss, to a league 7, -186 points. So it clearly cuts both ways at the moment. (Really unlucky to lose as well, but it always happens sooner or later. Bad S2 street race start positions and traffic.)

It looks like if you were to win enough in a row, you might only need what, 20? wins to go straight to league 1 or something, from scratch. It reinforces what I always suspected which is that the 'early adopter' big name GMs got their high rank relatively cheaply and easily early on, without needing to play much or even to beat very strong opposition a lot of the time.

btw I seem to have solved the crashing problem, I saved at the LEGO house instead and set that as my home. Saving to a mainland house made it crash but LEGO didn't for some reason. Then I travelled to the mainland, entered the festival garage and this time it showed the movie which unlocked the game proper, rather than crashing.

Edited by user Tuesday, September 22, 2020 10:59:31 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2735 Posted : Wednesday, September 23, 2020 12:41:23 AM(UTC)
Got improved message from support concerning reporting rammers/Modded accounts. Looks like the very secret "appropriate team" has been fired, cool!

Still, closing ticket while indicating "We've initiated an investigation" continues to suggest that tickets are not actually processed.

New message :
Thank you for bringing this issue to our attention. We've initiated an investigation based on the information that you provided and we'll take appropriate action based on our findings. Please note that for privacy reasons, we're not able to share the specifics of the action taken, if any.

I would have preferred :
Thank you for bringing this issue to our attention. We investigated based on the information that you provided and taken appropriate action based on our findings. Please note that for privacy reasons, we're not able to share the specifics of the action taken, if any.

Anyway, not going to change the face of online now, aren't we ?
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#2736 Posted : Wednesday, September 23, 2020 1:22:50 AM(UTC)
Is 'for privacy reasons' a legitimate legal excuse for not telling you if a person has had action taken against them?

I don't think it can be, because I seem to remember at least one instance in the past of a Forza staffer posting on these forums in response to a complaint about some player or other, who replied on the forums to say they'd been banned.

This new wording seems designed to give the impression of doing something, while providing plausible deniability for actually doing nothing.

Maybe my cynicism is unjustified. However:

The reports I sent 5 and 22 days ago, neither video clip has been viewed by Forza staff. (Unless they have a magic way of viewing them which doesn't make the YouTube view count go up.)

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#2737 Posted : Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:14:25 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche Go to Quoted Post
Is 'for privacy reasons' a legitimate legal excuse for not telling you if a person has had action taken against them?

I don't think it can be, because I seem to remember at least one instance in the past of a Forza staffer posting on these forums in response to a complaint about some player or other, who replied on the forums to say they'd been banned.

This new wording seems designed to give the impression of doing something, while providing plausible deniability for actually doing nothing.

Maybe my cynicism is unjustified. However:

The reports I sent 5 and 22 days ago, neither video clip has been viewed by Forza staff. (Unless they have a magic way of viewing them which doesn't make the YouTube view count go up.)



I'm pretty sure somewhere in the Microsoft Services Agreement & Xbox Code of Conduct which are the base for the Forza Enforcement Guidelines and Terms of Agreement or in the latter itself this point is covered.
That enforcement measures are only an issue between the directly involved subjects.
I've never seen a gaming company that informed a third party over actions taken between the company and a user.
Only in a general way that does not allow a third party to come to conclusions about a particular person. Like "we sent out bans or suspensions to players who violated the rules."

While this can be unsatisfactory for a third party it's an important practice to prevent pillorying players and keeping it professional.
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#2738 Posted : Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:19:27 AM(UTC)
Yeah, it’s a nonsense. There’s absolutely nothing stopping them from saying “We have investigated and have decided to take no action on this occasion” or “we have investigated and have given the other driver a warning/sanctioned the other driver”. I agree - it’s just wording that suggests some form of action, whilst probably nothing is being done.

Worth noting that this was included in the official update on enforcement, which seems to blow the idea that they can’t share outcomes as a result of privacy out of the water:

“It was stated that Shinyodd was banned due to a new logo being added to our prohibited list. This was not the case. Shinyodd was banned for applying a pornographic livery.”

I’d also recommend a watch of Shinyodd’s YouTube video response to the above.

Edited by user Wednesday, September 23, 2020 7:33:51 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2739 Posted : Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:35:04 AM(UTC)
I decided to try and recoup my lost points today. Nine adventures for +2 points. This could take a while.

1st, +0. Beat league 9.
1st, +8. Beat league 6.
1st, +1. Beat league 9.
1st, +0. Beat league 11.
1st, +0. Beat league 10.
1st, +3. Beat league 8.
1st, +2. Beat league 10.
1st, +4. Beat league 8.
2nd, -16. Lost to league 3 [ONE1] Minic222, beat league 8.

Only other problem this evening is relentless dirt+CC so I can't even play. No way is road/street 50-50 equal chance with dirt/CC. Devs be like haha dirt/CC go brrr.

Edited by user Wednesday, September 23, 2020 12:18:36 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Rank: A-Class Racing License
#2740 Posted : Wednesday, September 23, 2020 9:44:10 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche Go to Quoted Post
Is 'for privacy reasons' a legitimate legal excuse for not telling you if a person has had action taken against them?

I don't think it can be, because I seem to remember at least one instance in the past of a Forza staffer posting on these forums in response to a complaint about some player or other, who replied on the forums to say they'd been banned.

This new wording seems designed to give the impression of doing something, while providing plausible deniability for actually doing nothing.

Maybe my cynicism is unjustified. However:

The reports I sent 5 and 22 days ago, neither video clip has been viewed by Forza staff. (Unless they have a magic way of viewing them which doesn't make the YouTube view count go up.)


For the privacy, I could understand that support could prefer to avoid taking the risk of being proved wrong after a so called investigation.
For the videos views, it's quite an undeniable proof of investigations not happening, sad, somehow not a surprise but good catch.


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#2741 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2020 6:08:28 AM(UTC)
Just had another disconnection but it was while loading the final race so it hasn't cost me any points (I wonder if this means you could force quit the game during the loading screen and avoid a points loss if you wanted to? Next time I'm about to lose I might try that. You might think it's uncool or underhand but you do what you can with the way the game is - the game itself is unfair so anything I can do which is permitted by the rules is fair game as far as I'm concerned).

On this occasion I'd won the first two races and would have got a few +points for beating a league 6. Never seem to get the disconnections when I'm headed for a +0 or a loss!
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#2742 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2020 6:43:17 AM(UTC)
I suspect it was a d/c which affected everyone - the game is intelligent enough to spot those and not deduct points. I wouldn’t risk trying it again as I’ve definitely been disconnected in the loading screen before and did lose points!
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#2743 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:01:39 AM(UTC)
Ah that's too bad then. I'm sort of glad I suppose because to make it so you can't lose would cheapen any sense of achievement from ranking up anyway and without that, what's the point.
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#2744 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:48:16 AM(UTC)
Lol - so you mean exactly like Ranked Team Adventure?
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#2745 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2020 7:55:51 AM(UTC)
Indeed, one of the reasons I stopped playing it (the other being that I got fed up losing adventures when I'd personally done well, which is never a good feeling).
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#2746 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:03:42 PM(UTC)
Did a qualifying adventure with my other account, came 2nd to HLundh, expected to lose points or at least not gain more than a handful. Actually got +90 and went up to league 4 🤣 Crazy. The players I beat were unranked but they didn't seem very fast particularly. HLundh was a speck in the distance (A class road, autumn I think, he had a Bubbletop, I was in a Nova). I avoid him on my main account but on the other one I have just been playing whoever, not checking the lobbies.

(Actually that was my 2nd one come to think of it, the first one I got +96 for beating a league 6.)

Edited by user Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:06:43 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2747 Posted : Friday, September 25, 2020 4:29:15 PM(UTC)
would online adventure be better if....
when you say get to rank 5 if you luze to go to rank 6 you stop at your rank you earned at rank 5....

that mean win loss ratio cant count....

it skill and perseverance

Edited by user Friday, September 25, 2020 4:40:13 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2748 Posted : Sunday, September 27, 2020 12:55:21 AM(UTC)
I've played some more on my secondary account, got up to league 3 yesterday, with a record of 29-5 since I started the account. Then this morning I encountered a league 10 player who was faster than me in an S2 autumn road adventure, and got -72.

What I was hoping to do is get up to the same rank I have on my main account and see if the points gained/lost from that point on is equivalent on each.

Edited by user Sunday, September 27, 2020 12:55:58 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2749 Posted : Sunday, September 27, 2020 2:55:13 AM(UTC)
It won’t be - assuming that you get there relatively quickly. You will still have much bigger movement on the second account until it has stabilised and I’m not sure how many matches that would need to be.
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#2750 Posted : Sunday, September 27, 2020 3:06:08 AM(UTC)
Yeah that's what I thought. I probably would have got around -30 for the above loss on my main account, even despite me being ranked higher there. Difference is at the moment I can probably recoup all those points with a handful of wins against green ranks. I hope I can rank up to league 2 without running into too many more super fast under-ranked players.
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