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#1 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:45:43 AM(UTC)
As promised, after closing the last multiplayer thread due to our new update upcoming, I said I would open another thread for discussion!

If you missed our live stream announcing the brand new Free-For-All, you can check it out here.
Everything is discussed and shown within the first section of the stream, so you won't need to go scrolling through.

Update 5 will be going live this week so I hope you all enjoy the new mode!

Don't forget, please also submit a ticket for any issues, bugs and especially any feedback & suggestions that you post here.

Thanks,
RetroKrystal

Edited by user Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:46:42 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 2:18:34 AM(UTC)
will there be more time to join ranked games as currently is not even time to get out of photo mode when a match is found and do games get a single player mode ?
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 4:39:12 AM(UTC)
Here's my personal checklist of things from the previous thread that my club and I are having trouble with regarding Multiplayer; I'll update it as I go along.
Status updates are based off of information that has been published in official livestreams and updates.



[ Resolved ] Lack of non-Team Adventures

[ Resolved ] Hard to get people to join a Horizon Life PVP or Co-Op event within 45 seconds.



[ In Development ] Track design and game physics encourage and reward "wallriding" in Ranked Adventures.

[ In Development ] Lack of "Ghost only" Online Adventures.

[ In Development ] Lack of an ability to choose a preferred Class when queuing up for Team Adventure.



[_] Players aggressively crash into each other in order to overtake/defend without notable consequences.

[_] Teammates deliberately crashing into one another without notable consequences.

[_] No Team Adventure modes on Fortune Island.

[_] Private Adventures limited to Teams only.

[_] Freeroam Rush's presence "forcing" players to choose cars suited to Cross-Country in Road Racing and Street Racing Adventures

[_] Long waiting times when matchmaking in Ranked Team Adventure.

[_] Convoys getting split up after connecting to a Team Adventure, some getting left behind etc.

[_] Unclear player rating system in Ranked Team Adventure, players losing points for "winning".

[_] PI system restricts competitively-viable cars to a few narrow build types.

[_] Lack of Class-Based Rivals for every Route.

[_] A number of Routes classified as "Dirt Racing" consist mainly of tarmac roads.

[_] Lack of an ability to vote on the theme/Class of a new Unranked/Private Adventure after completing the current one.

[_] No Team Adventures for D, C and B-Class cars.

[_] No way to save Replays of races.

[_] No way to "Vote to Kick" troublesome players.

[_] No in-game way to blacklist certain players, to prevent getting matchmaked with them.

[_] No way to whitelist certain players in order to encourage the game to matchmake you with them more often.

[_] Lap-based races are too short (3 minutes on average compared to 7 in Forza Motorpsort 7), encouraging players to rush and barge their way towards the front.

[_] No way to force all players to use Simulation Damage in private/public races.

[_] No way to force all players to use certain Difficulty settings in Private Team Adventures.

[_] No way to force collisions off in Private Team Adventures.

[_] No way to kick a user out of a Convoy.

[_] No way to change cars/setups in-between Private Team Adventures. All players are sent to a "limbo lobby" where they cannot access menus.

[_] No way to save Private Team Adventure playlists for future use.

[_] No way to choose Street Racing or Drag Racing events in Private Team Adventure.

[_] Grids for races are set to Random, no way to encourage players to put in good performances to qualify in higher positions for future races.

[_] No way to disable Quick Chat or prevent users from spamming comments.

[_] Races/Convoys limited to 12 players.

[_] Hard to spot when another Horizon Life user has queued up a PVP or Co-Op event (green UI icon doesn't stand out on-screen, lack of pop-up at top of screen like in Forza Horizon 3).

Edited by user Sunday, March 10, 2019 7:49:12 AM(UTC)  | Reason: .

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#4 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:01:53 AM(UTC)
I don't see how this is going to be any better. They don't act as a team anyway so what is going to be different? The same idiots are still going to hit people. We need a no collision mode for the 1000th time PG!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:13:00 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: leetorts Go to Quoted Post
I don't see how this is going to be any better. They don't act as a team anyway so what is going to be different? The same idiots are still going to hit people. We need a no collision mode for the 1000th time PG!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In solo you dont need to be upset team members ramming you, and if you can win you dont need to worry team members letting you down.

Im gonna try this when update comes but i have really low expectations and i think there is gonna be just even more wallriding than before.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:24:32 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: V12 SprungBoss Go to Quoted Post
In solo you dont need to be upset team members ramming you, and if you can win you dont need to worry team members letting you down.

Im gonna try this when update comes but i have really low expectations and i think there is gonna be just even more wallriding than before.

Yes, I think that's the big thing, that with the team adventures, the team result was only very loosely related to any one individual's performance. My team often won or lost by a margin that meant it would make no difference whether I finished 1st or last, it wouldn't change the result.

I think it might help with ramming, in that ramming does carry some risk, so a person is less likely to be willing to potentially hurt their own placing. People are going to defend extremely robustly against being passed, though. I also worry that if you can join a free for all race as a convoy, people will join with friends and work together against everyone else, i.e. the group of friends rams anyone not in their group.

Wallriding will be to FH4 as cutting is to FM7. When I was still racing leagues in FM7, I would drive clean laps, but if someone was beating me by cutting, I'd cut to beat them. On some tracks like VIR, you either had to cut to have a fair race, or be happy for someone to go seconds per lap faster than you. Wallriding in FH4 will be the same, and if I end up head to head with someone who is wallriding, I won't feel bad about wallriding to compete against them on a level playing field, but I will drive clean if everyone else is.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:44:32 AM(UTC)
I hope the walls are not being removed, the game just needs a slow down penalty for wall riding.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:51:21 AM(UTC)
Do something about freeroam rush and its perfect
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:10:28 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Operation Hawks Go to Quoted Post
Do something about freeroam rush and its perfect


Simple fix, only in Dirt or Cross Country events should be
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:27:07 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Operation Hawks Go to Quoted Post
Do something about freeroam rush and its perfect


Your list is very ultimately short, for many of us it is kind of much bigger.

- Wall riding not taken care yet --> THE fun killer thing of solo adv even more than ramming.
- solo supposed to manage ramming ... I think they missed something. unless one has benefits not to ram, ramming is an excellent option to ruin some opponent race, solo lowers the interest but does not remove it in any manner. For people not to ram they need to have an interest to not doing it.
- Nothing on rivals / possibility to race on empty tracks for testing tunes
- Free Roam still consider as great, strange they took a rally car for demo and not an Aventador, so fun cross country with 2 inches springs.
- Nothing on being able to select class to race and not having D C B hardly A.
- Nothing on tires types filter often missing
- Nothing on Wheelspin car duplicates we could switch for CR even in FH3 , I do call that a regression and it was ultimate quickwin on the garage size thing.
- Nothing on cars like 'mono bac' being an acceptable car to win against offroads on a cross country race
- Nothing on cheaters/hackers management
- Nothing on tunes/paintings ranking being dedicated to people having created quick & dirty tunes at the very beginning of the game

From my personal scale of progress heading to a game to the level of what I would expect to be a better game than FH3, we got a Class C tune for our Class D and objective is S2 at the very minimum.


My List
#16354 solo online missing with lap time etc just like in FH3 : DONE
#16354/16376 Gameplay designed for Rammers, need one for racers, one for drifters , etc
#14243 No possibility to race on empty track for tuning cars / Rivals
#16354 Wall riding is not fair play for clean players just like clean turns are not fair play for drifters. Currently only Wall riding thus lot of frustration --> need a mode for racers, one for wall riders, one for drifters. We have just a need for speed gameplay, prove it was just a mistake.
#16355 Free Roam blocking Rwd, Fwd cars
#16356 B/C/D championships missing
#16360 Extreme asphalt cars like 'mono bac' playable on cross country
#16361 Tires type not displaying in all situations
#16362 limit for number of tunes + no possibility to know which car has which number of tunes making it hell to clean.
#16365 Mixed races should be at least 50% of dirt.
#14248 Music in intermediate phases that cannot be turned off
#16366 limit on number of cars hopefully in coming weeks
#16368 Wheelspin car duplicate : On FH3, when car is already in garage, player is proposed to resell it
#16369 Seing own car and avatar during waiting time to be replaced by seing others' cars
#16370 Displaying all players helps on list at race result would raise fair play level.
#16371 possibility to buy a car dedicate wheelspin with 5 basic wheelspins would be great
#16372 when creating a custom race or CS, being able to exclude a type of car like no trucks, no extreme offroads would be just great.
#16373 possibility to disable wheelspins triggered automatically ( I have already earned more than 60 millions of CR, wheelspin for 2 000 or clothes is frustating and boring)
#16374 remove this message that displays when I request instant transport to location for 0 CR ... francky guys, not because Microsoft is in the game that you need the 'are you sure' everywhere ...
#14242 possibility to share tuning only to his team or specific people
#14242 possibility to share a tuning unlocked
#16366 possibility to filter on car by bought or not to identify the cars you can get rid of and buy from the auto show
#16366 possibility to filter his cars by 'new' tag
#16602 sell-give car to specific player
#17834 Treasure Island Drift Achievement bug


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#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:32:04 AM(UTC)
Freeroam in road races should be removed asap.
Collision detection needs a rework that it works more like in real racing games.
De-sync on starts need to be eliminated.
Wallriding needs penalties.

Than I could start enjoying online races.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:55:12 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Operation Hawks Go to Quoted Post
Do something about freeroam rush and its perfect


What do you mean by something? What exactly do you like/don't like/want changing? As your message is a little vague.

@Tilo38 -- There is no need to add your tickets into the post. This is causing a little bit of spam and as long as you've submitted a ticket, it will get looked upon & answered so there's no need to post them here in this forum.

@PJTierney -- Have you submitted all them suggestions as tickets?

@leetorts -- Regards to collision/wallriding, this was addressed in our stream last night. You can find the link in the first post.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:56:50 AM(UTC)
What time does the update go live today? Anyone know?
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:11:29 AM(UTC)
I've submitted this as a ticket suggestion. The online adventure is absolutely miserable for me to play, and here is my wishlist for it.

Let us customize settings for adventure mode with the following options

--ranked/unranked(ranked disables everything else)

--online/offline(online will fill vacancies with drivatars,offline will be only drivatars)

--freeroam on,off, on in select race types

--class C,B,A,S1,S2,X,random all,random with exclusions(self explanatory)

--race type CC,dirt,road,street, random all, random with exclusions(self explanatory)

--season spring,summer,fall,winter, random all, random with exclusions(self explanatory)

Adding these to adventure mode will take nothing away from those that enjoy it the way it is now, but it will make it FAAAAAR more enjoyable to me and I suspect, many others. Letting us just play offline custom adventures would streamline it drastically. No server use, no constant syncing, and waiting between races. Race, load, race, load, race.

The way adventure mode works now(s2 winter slam fest) I dont touch it, and I wont unless until something resembling these options are available. At the bare minimum I want to pick the class I race in.

I'm almost done with fortune island, and that'll probably be where I stop playing because the online is a total joke to me. The coop/pvp stuff is a ghost town 99.9% of the time, and each time I've played adventure I wind up having a terrible time, snd dont wanna play the game at all. Theres no rivals to speak of, so the adventure mode is supposed to be a large part of the endgame content. And it stinks. After 4 months it still stinks.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:34:44 AM(UTC)
What time does the update go live today? Anyone know?
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:35:15 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: RetroKrystal Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Operation Hawks Go to Quoted Post
Do something about freeroam rush and its perfect


What do you mean by something? What exactly do you like/don't like/want changing? As your message is a little vague.


I'd like to see it removed entirely as it's pure garbage. But I'm quite sure you won't do that, so some sort of improvement would be only having it for off road races, not for road races or dirt (because dirt races typically need a road car to be competitive in FH4, not an off road vehicle). And if you won't do that, then change the scoring system so that your performance in the freeroam rush stages doesn't impact your overall rank, or not as much, as the actual races proper.

Because you have to understand that the freeroam rush is too open to random events and luck. No it isn't pure luck, but nobody can be racing across open countryside full of trees and buildings and huge bumps etc. in a racing car, and be sure from skill alone not to lose control, hit a tree, roll over or whatever other 'fun' things happen.

Edited by user Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:36:18 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#17 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:43:13 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: RetroKrystal Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Operation Hawks Go to Quoted Post
Do something about freeroam rush and its perfect


What do you mean by something? What exactly do you like/don't like/want changing? As your message is a little vague.

@Tilo38 -- There is no need to add your tickets into the post. This is causing a little bit of spam and as long as you've submitted a ticket, it will get looked upon & answered so there's no need to post them here in this forum.

@PJTierney -- Have you submitted all them suggestions as tickets?

@leetorts -- Regards to collision/wallriding, this was addressed in our stream last night. You can find the link in the first post.



Do NOT change freeroam. Its the best part of the game right now. No one wants to get spanked 3-0 which was the case with Team Adventure. At least I was able to steal a few wins in freeroam because my team wasnt good enough to finish high enough during actual races. People are just too lazy to learn the map or build a car that can handle asphalt and offroad
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:53:56 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DaReoCharmer Go to Quoted Post

Do NOT change freeroam. Its the best part of the game right now. No one wants to get spanked 3-0 which was the case with Team Adventure. At least I was able to steal a few wins in freeroam because my team wasnt good enough to finish high enough during actual races. People are just too lazy to learn the map or build a car that can handle asphalt and offroad


I know that wallriding and ramming is one reason why you love freeroam rush so mutch but how abaout after wallriding issue gets fixed? And no it's not laziness many peoples just dislike driving offroad with hypercars it's not nothing to with map knowledge. And abaout car tuning it's just make car tuning even worst, high handling/grip builds are my favorite and those are totally useless in every single adventure just because freeroam roam is part of every adventure.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:58:57 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DaReoCharmer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RetroKrystal Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Operation Hawks Go to Quoted Post
Do something about freeroam rush and its perfect


What do you mean by something? What exactly do you like/don't like/want changing? As your message is a little vague.

@Tilo38 -- There is no need to add your tickets into the post. This is causing a little bit of spam and as long as you've submitted a ticket, it will get looked upon & answered so there's no need to post them here in this forum.

@PJTierney -- Have you submitted all them suggestions as tickets?

@leetorts -- Regards to collision/wallriding, this was addressed in our stream last night. You can find the link in the first post.



Do NOT change freeroam. Its the best part of the game right now. No one wants to get spanked 3-0 which was the case with Team Adventure. At least I was able to steal a few wins in freeroam because my team wasnt good enough to finish high enough during actual races. People are just too lazy to learn the map or build a car that can handle asphalt and offroad


You could just as well say that if you don't want to get spanked 3-0 then pick a better car / tune it better / learn to drive it better.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:59:56 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: V12 SprungBoss Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DaReoCharmer Go to Quoted Post

Do NOT change freeroam. Its the best part of the game right now. No one wants to get spanked 3-0 which was the case with Team Adventure. At least I was able to steal a few wins in freeroam because my team wasnt good enough to finish high enough during actual races. People are just too lazy to learn the map or build a car that can handle asphalt and offroad


I know that wallriding and ramming is one reason why you love freeroam rush so mutch but how abaout after wallriding issue gets fixed? And no it's not laziness many peoples just dislike driving offroad with hypercars it's not nothing to with map knowledge. And abaout car tuning it's just make car tuning even worst, high handling/grip builds are my favorite and those are totally useless in every single adventure just because freeroam roam is part of every adventure.


The list I suggested would solve this problem for everyone. I'm not holding my breath though. It took 4 months to stop being forced onto a team, so the features I requested wont make it out till the next xbox is in its second iteration.
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:08:08 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DaReoCharmer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RetroKrystal Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Operation Hawks Go to Quoted Post
Do something about freeroam rush and its perfect


What do you mean by something? What exactly do you like/don't like/want changing? As your message is a little vague.

@Tilo38 -- There is no need to add your tickets into the post. This is causing a little bit of spam and as long as you've submitted a ticket, it will get looked upon & answered so there's no need to post them here in this forum.

@PJTierney -- Have you submitted all them suggestions as tickets?

@leetorts -- Regards to collision/wallriding, this was addressed in our stream last night. You can find the link in the first post.



Do NOT change freeroam. Its the best part of the game right now. No one wants to get spanked 3-0 which was the case with Team Adventure. At least I was able to steal a few wins in freeroam because my team wasnt good enough to finish high enough during actual races. People are just too lazy to learn the map or build a car that can handle asphalt and offroad


You could just as well say that if you don't want to get spanked 3-0 then pick a better car / tune it better / learn to drive it better.


Thats clever but if you've played online team of any kind. You can win every single race, its not gonna help your random TEAM tune or drive better. Nice try though
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:20:05 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: RetroKrystal Go to Quoted Post
@PJTierney -- Have you submitted all them suggestions as tickets?

I have not; it is merely a personal checklist for now.

I may do so once I have time however. What would be the best format to handle this? 1 mail for all or 20 individual mails, and do they all need to be fully fleshed-out messages?

I do have a question however; what purpose does this forum thread serve if all content is meant to be sent in ticket format anyway?

Edited by user Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:21:46 AM(UTC)  | Reason: .

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#23 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:25:51 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DaReoCharmer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DaReoCharmer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RetroKrystal Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Operation Hawks Go to Quoted Post
Do something about freeroam rush and its perfect


What do you mean by something? What exactly do you like/don't like/want changing? As your message is a little vague.

@Tilo38 -- There is no need to add your tickets into the post. This is causing a little bit of spam and as long as you've submitted a ticket, it will get looked upon & answered so there's no need to post them here in this forum.

@PJTierney -- Have you submitted all them suggestions as tickets?

@leetorts -- Regards to collision/wallriding, this was addressed in our stream last night. You can find the link in the first post.



Do NOT change freeroam. Its the best part of the game right now. No one wants to get spanked 3-0 which was the case with Team Adventure. At least I was able to steal a few wins in freeroam because my team wasnt good enough to finish high enough during actual races. People are just too lazy to learn the map or build a car that can handle asphalt and offroad


You could just as well say that if you don't want to get spanked 3-0 then pick a better car / tune it better / learn to drive it better.


Thats clever but if you've played online team of any kind. You can win every single race, its not gonna help your random TEAM tune or drive better. Nice try though


I have. But we're talking about solo racing here. Why are you still talking about teams in this thread?
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:30:39 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DaReoCharmer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DaReoCharmer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RetroKrystal Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Operation Hawks Go to Quoted Post
Do something about freeroam rush and its perfect


What do you mean by something? What exactly do you like/don't like/want changing? As your message is a little vague.

@Tilo38 -- There is no need to add your tickets into the post. This is causing a little bit of spam and as long as you've submitted a ticket, it will get looked upon & answered so there's no need to post them here in this forum.

@PJTierney -- Have you submitted all them suggestions as tickets?

@leetorts -- Regards to collision/wallriding, this was addressed in our stream last night. You can find the link in the first post.



Do NOT change freeroam. Its the best part of the game right now. No one wants to get spanked 3-0 which was the case with Team Adventure. At least I was able to steal a few wins in freeroam because my team wasnt good enough to finish high enough during actual races. People are just too lazy to learn the map or build a car that can handle asphalt and offroad


You could just as well say that if you don't want to get spanked 3-0 then pick a better car / tune it better / learn to drive it better.


Thats clever but if you've played online team of any kind. You can win every single race, its not gonna help your random TEAM tune or drive better. Nice try though


I have. But we're talking about solo racing here. Why are you still talking about teams in this thread?



We're talking freeroam in any online mode but anyway we'll see how I place in solo ranked. If I had to guess I wont be on the low end because I know how to pick the right car, tune it and drive it
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:49:57 AM(UTC)
Quit playing the game back in October because all of the stuff I liked about previous versions was gone. One of those things was solo online racing. But I only like that with CLASS CHOICE. Does anyone know if this has CLASS CHOICE? Don't want to even bother looking if it is confirmed not there.

Thanks!
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