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#1 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 6:37:03 AM(UTC)
Basically, I use Goliath as my Test Track; whenever I tune a new vehicle I run it for 1 lap around Goliath to see how it compares to what I currently have. My problem is that since there are no leaderboards (that I can find) for Goliath, I can’t tell how I am comparing to the masses.

I thought this could be a fun place to compare our results to give feedback on how we and our tunes are doing.

I created a SUMMER 1 LAP Blue Print. I’m using a wheel & pedals (although this isn’t a rule for this request), I run a lap on unbeatable (again, not a rule), I don’t corner cut other than 2 wheels off the tarmac at any time. I don’t cut the Round-Abouts either.

S2 Class: (I don’t have a lot of these cars) Sub 9 minute laps, I think the best I have had was somewhere around 8:55.
S1 Class: (I do have a lot of these) Sub 10 minute laps, Best time around 9:48.
A Class: (I have a lot of these) Sub 11 minute laps, Best time around 10:52.
I personally don’t have anything setup less than A Class right now, but feel free to share those if you like.

If there is interest in this topic, I will start writing down my best times and posting (with vehicle) here.

For those of you who don’t have Goliath opened up yet, it opens as you complete the Road Racing Series; I think it was somewhere around Level 15 (chime in and correct me if you know for sure).

I know this isn’t RIVALS, and racing with Drivatars (especially at the start) can easily make a ~5-10 second difference in your final times…

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#2 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 7:13:08 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DarkWolf907505 Go to Quoted Post
My problem is that since there are no leaderboards (that I can find) for Goliath, I can’t tell how I am comparing to the masses.

S2 Class: (I don’t have a lot of these cars) Sub 9 minute laps, I think the best I have had was somewhere around 8:55.

There is actually an S2 class Goliath rivals event, you go into Rivals then Road Racing, and it's over on the right hand side of the list. The times will depress you, though, as there are legit performances well under 8 minutes, and that's with roads that are a little wet.
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#3 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 7:29:26 AM(UTC)
I could throw in my fastest S1 & S2 times because I test those cars on Goliath too. All done on dry summer. No cutting of the roundabouts, flying lap.
S2:
Ultima Evo:7:39 Nothing comes close so far.

S1:
McLaren F1 GT: 8:51
Noble M600: 8:51
Lamborghini Aventador 750SV: 8:55
Lykan Hypersport: 8:56
TVR Cerbera Speed 12: 8:57

Just saving Cr for other Forza-typical Highperformers like GT40 Mk2, 250GTO.

Edited by user Monday, October 29, 2018 7:32:48 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#4 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 7:35:27 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Rayne SE Go to Quoted Post
I could throw in my fastest S1 & S2 times because I test those cars on Goliath too. All done on dry summer.
S2:
Ultima Evo:7:39 Nothing comes close so far.

Give the P1 a try. I haven't maxed out what it can do yet, but I did 3 laps of the rivals event yesterday with it and got within ~7 seconds of my best time with the Ultima. It's a lot easier to drive than the Ultima and I haven't changed that much with the tuning yet, so I feel it can get closer than that.
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#5 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 7:50:39 AM(UTC)
I tried the Rival S2 with my Porsche Spyder, but I just couldn't keep it on the wet roads...

Originally Posted by: Rayne SE Go to Quoted Post

S1:
McLaren F1 GT: 8:51
Noble M600: 8:51
Lamborghini Aventador 750SV: 8:55
Lykan Hypersport: 8:56
TVR Cerbera Speed 12: 8:57



Ouch! You are like a full minute ahead of me in S1 Class... What difficulty level are you using (i.e. Unbeatable, Pro, Expert, etc.). Are you doing more than 1 lap?

I find on Unbeatable, I'm usually held up by traffic for a good part of the beginning...

Edited by user Monday, October 29, 2018 7:56:22 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#6 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 8:50:22 AM(UTC)
X Class 999:

Maserati MC12 FE: 7:48
Ultima: 7:55
Mclaren Senna: 8:02
Agera RS: 8:10
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#7 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 8:53:25 AM(UTC)
Good thread and good idea, i also thought it would be great to share our times & cars.

However, you should add to the OP for camera & assists used.
Because having driving line on & upside camera surely drops the admiration a lot ;)
FH4 goliath is really technical, even on straight, and driving line + camera choice really makes the experience completely different.

IMHO, you should put two different leaderboard
1 : A free one where everyone can use every assist/camera they want
2 : A "realist" one with interior camera & driving line off

Edited by user Monday, October 29, 2018 8:59:50 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#8 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 9:15:53 AM(UTC)
This is a great idea but, why not do it on the colossus? Goliath is so damn long. But I will run a lap or two once I get home from work and post my lap times.
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#9 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 9:46:56 AM(UTC)
I don't know if I could do Goliath without a line at all (I use braking line), I guess if I put it on "inexperienced" difficulty... :(

Colossus would be a good track too, hmmmm….

One thing I'm thinking, I should probably create a blue print of 2 laps on Goliath to see if I can get a better time on lap 2... Although I don't know I'll save a whole minute.
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#10 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 9:52:46 AM(UTC)
My Record: X Class 999: McLaren Senna: 7:29.682
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#11 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 10:02:51 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DarkWolf907505 Go to Quoted Post
I tried the Rival S2 with my Porsche Spyder, but I just couldn't keep it on the wet roads...

Ouch! You are like a full minute ahead of me in S1 Class... What difficulty level are you using (i.e. Unbeatable, Pro, Expert, etc.). Are you doing more than 1 lap?

I find on Unbeatable, I'm usually held up by traffic for a good part of the beginning...


Yes, I'm running two laps because on the first the AI will hold you up. Thus, the times wouldn't be comparable.
Always driving on unbeatable and without any assists.
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#12 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 4:29:44 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: McR4e555 Go to Quoted Post
X Class 999:
Maserati MC12 FE: 7:48

Just did a couple of standing start attempts with that car, couldn't quite match you, did 7:52. Absolutely nuts that there are people going faster than that in the S2 998 Ultima.
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#13 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 4:37:31 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Rayne SE Go to Quoted Post
I could throw in my fastest S1 & S2 times because I test those cars on Goliath too. All done on dry summer. No cutting of the roundabouts, flying lap.
S2:
Ultima Evo:7:39 Nothing comes close so far.

S1:
McLaren F1 GT: 8:51
Noble M600: 8:51
Lamborghini Aventador 750SV: 8:55
Lykan Hypersport: 8:56
TVR Cerbera Speed 12: 8:57

Just saving Cr for other Forza-typical Highperformers like GT40 Mk2, 250GTO.


McLaren F1 blows the Ford GT40 Mk II away. 959 isn't bad though. Should try the Bugatti EB110 SS looks like a monster.

Edited by user Monday, October 29, 2018 4:40:20 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2018 12:28:11 AM(UTC)
Those mid 7's with the Ultima in S2 are impressively quick!

A few I've done;
- S2 - Porsche 918 - 8:04.xx - I recon this could probably go quicker too.
- X - Mercedes CLK GTR AMG - 7:49.5
- X - McLaren F1 GT - 7:55.xx

I'll give the McLaren Senna a try tonight, the Ultima was very quick on Horizon 3's Goliath wasn't it but did it beat that Lamborghini Centenario??
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2018 1:52:24 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Sausage Matt Go to Quoted Post
Those mid 7's with the Ultima in S2 are impressively quick!

A few I've done;
- S2 - Porsche 918 - 8:04.xx - I recon this could probably go quicker too.
- X - Mercedes CLK GTR AMG - 7:49.5
- X - McLaren F1 GT - 7:55.xx

I'll give the McLaren Senna a try tonight, the Ultima was very quick on Horizon 3's Goliath wasn't it but did it beat that Lamborghini Centenario??


An RWD-converted X-class Centenario was the fastest car around Goliath in FH3. But it always felt like that car received a "little" stat boost for being the cover car. It's not good in FM7 and here in FH4 it's at least nowhere as strong in S2 as it was in FH3. Can't comment on X-class because I'm not interested in X-builds and never did one but I doubt it'll turn into a top tier car.

The Senna(RWD) on S2 without aero parts is pretty cool. A sub 8:00 car on Goliath and it really shines on high speed turns due to its impressive handling. It lacks a little bit of power on S2 though.

Edited by user Tuesday, October 30, 2018 1:55:19 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#16 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:18:19 AM(UTC)
Well, certainly nothing to write home about, but I thought I’d post my update anyway. Created a 2 Lap Goliath to see if I could do better on Lap 2…

Goliath
Corvette ‘15 - 09:40:080
(Although, the second lap saved me almost 14 seconds from my original time in this car.)

The problem here is that the race took almost 20 minutes which may avoid the casual gamer from posting a time.

So, I thought I’d give DigitalSpit504’s suggestion a whirl and do Colossus…

Colossus
Vantage S ’13 – 05:18:785
AM Vanquish – 05:19:386
Corvette ’15 – 05:19:533
Ford Mustang DD – 05:20:521

Rules: Unbeatable, no more than two wheels off the tarmac at any time, honor system. You may wish to save a screen shot just in case your time is questioned. 😉

Side Note: One thing I did realize from racing these tracks is that Horizon has a sort of “built-in” penalty system with the “Check Points”. Corner cutting will basically get you nowhere.

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#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:57:30 AM(UTC)
My record:

Make: Mclaren
Model: 720S PO
Class: X
Time: 7:30:990
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2018 5:32:07 AM(UTC)
I wonder how much rewinds are involved in the top times here :D

The few youtube videos I saw were cut. Myself, I got around 8:40 in an X-class Maserati MC12 FE for the 3-laps achievement.


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#19 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2018 5:37:22 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: ToranBlackwater Go to Quoted Post
I wonder how much rewinds are involved in the top times here :D

The few youtube videos I saw were cut. Myself, I got around 8:40 in an X-class Maserati MC12 FE for the 3-laps achievement.




Since I'm currently #11 worldwide in the S2 Goliath Rival and #2 worldwide in the Ferrari P330 Goliath Rival my times are legit but once in a while rewinds happen ;). But the game is extremely forigiving, otherwise I wouldn't be able to place this high in the leaderbord. On FM7 I can barely touch top100 times.

Edited by user Tuesday, October 30, 2018 5:43:36 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#20 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2018 5:41:28 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Rayne SE Go to Quoted Post
Since I'm currently #11 worldwide in the S2 Goliath Rival and #2 worldwide in the Ferrari P330 Goliath Rival my times are legit...


Seeing that you're in the elite group, I don’t feel so bad now… 😉

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#21 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2018 5:49:41 AM(UTC)
My top time is 7,52 with tvr sagaris, i use to grind goliath with that car and i have few laps test with lambo sesto best was 7,55 and few lap mc12 fe sub 8 but that tune need still bit work. with s2 best is 8,14 with f50 gt and 8,20 with vulcan. Is anyone tested that sagaris? not easiest thing to drive but damn that is fast.
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2018 1:15:50 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: V12 SprungBoss Go to Quoted Post
My top time is 7,52 with tvr sagaris, i use to grind goliath with that car and i have few laps test with lambo sesto best was 7,55 and few lap mc12 fe sub 8 but that tune need still bit work. with s2 best is 8,14 with f50 gt and 8,20 with vulcan. Is anyone tested that sagaris? not easiest thing to drive but damn that is fast.


I've build a S2 998 Sagaris FE with the Speed 12 engine and clocked a 7:42. There is enough room for mid 30s but the car is way more demanding than the Ultima and its full potential exceeds my skill level by far.

Originally Posted by: breeminator Go to Quoted Post

Give the P1 a try. I haven't maxed out what it can do yet, but I did 3 laps of the rivals event yesterday with it and got within ~7 seconds of my best time with the Ultima. It's a lot easier to drive than the Ultima and I haven't changed that much with the tuning yet, so I feel it can get closer than that.


Tried various S2 998 builds and the fastest time was a 7:58. The top speed is great (~415 km/h in Edinburgh) but it's just too heavy and lacks cornering speed to compete with the Sagaris or Ultima. At least not every small mistake instantly kills you and it's generally a pretty smooth ride.

Edited by user Wednesday, October 31, 2018 1:17:09 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#23 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2018 1:50:23 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DarkWolf907505 Go to Quoted Post

For those of you who don’t have Goliath opened up yet, it opens as you complete the Road Racing Series; I think it was somewhere around Level 15 (chime in and correct me if you know for sure).


It unlocked at level 20 Road Racing for me. Well after I'd completed the rest of the series (about level 12, as I recall).

Originally Posted by: Yopfraize Go to Quoted Post

2 : A "realist" one with interior camera & driving line off


I take it from the quotes that you're aware that the interior camera is only realistic if in real life you wear an eyepatch on the passenger side eye and a blinder on the driver side. And probably squint besides...
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2018 9:12:02 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DarkWolf907505 Go to Quoted Post
Well, certainly nothing to write home about, but I thought I’d post my update anyway. Created a 2 Lap Goliath to see if I could do better on Lap 2…

Goliath
Corvette ‘15 - 09:40:080
(Although, the second lap saved me almost 14 seconds from my original time in this car.)

The problem here is that the race took almost 20 minutes which may avoid the casual gamer from posting a time.

So, I thought I’d give DigitalSpit504’s suggestion a whirl and do Colossus…

Colossus
Vantage S ’13 – 05:18:785
AM Vanquish – 05:19:386
Corvette ’15 – 05:19:533
Ford Mustang DD – 05:20:521

Rules: Unbeatable, no more than two wheels off the tarmac at any time, honor system. You may wish to save a screen shot just in case your time is questioned. 😉

Side Note: One thing I did realize from racing these tracks is that Horizon has a sort of “built-in” penalty system with the “Check Points”. Corner cutting will basically get you nowhere.



I’m going to give it a shot tonight and post my results. But i need to practice not getting g out the tarmac lol.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2018 12:38:53 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Rayne SE Go to Quoted Post
Tried various S2 998 builds and the fastest time was a 7:58. The top speed is great (~415 km/h in Edinburgh) but it's just too heavy and lacks cornering speed to compete with the Sagaris or Ultima. At least not every small mistake instantly kills you and it's generally a pretty smooth ride.

The Zonda C also isn't bad, as you'd expect from the fact some of the leaderboard times have been done with it. I did a lap with only a couple of rewinds that was 1 sec faster than my best clean Ultima lap, but still 5 secs slower than my best dirty Ultima lap.
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