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#1 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 3:25:48 AM(UTC)
this is a multiplayer game i want to talk with people... random words is not talking to people
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#2 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 3:37:22 AM(UTC)
This is probably to reduce the chance of toxicity. Give a multiplayer game unrestricted chat, you're bound to get toxicity. Give them funny/wholesome phrases? No toxicity.

If you want to talk with people, enable your mic.

This is a smart game design decision honestly, they don't need to worry about banning people for being idiots, and whatever you might say, in ANY multiplayer game there is a 100% someone will use a racial slur, or be an idiot.
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#3 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 3:38:37 AM(UTC)
the game promotes social interaction but you can't talk with people lol.... that's like going at mcdonalds and you can't eat burgers

Edited by user Monday, October 15, 2018 3:39:09 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#4 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 3:42:56 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Grenambo Go to Quoted Post
this is a multiplayer game i want to talk with people... random words is not talking to people


They use a series of phrases so it's universal and available to anyone regardless of language. Also it would be very difficult to type out a sentence in the middle of a race.
Full text chat is extremely rare in console games so I am not sure why you expect this game to have it, we use a mic for most communication on console.

Edited by user Monday, October 15, 2018 3:46:23 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#5 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 3:43:12 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Grenambo Go to Quoted Post
the game promotes social interaction but you can't talk with people lol.... that's like going at mcdonalds and you can't eat burgers


That's oversimplifying things a bit, but I understand you exaggerate to make a point.

I understand you are upset but if you look at this in a strictly pragmatic fashion, there are other ways to express yourself. Phrases, with your car, the mic, etc.

To respond using the same analogy you used - McDonald's have a menu. Unrestricted text chat would would be the same as going to McDonald's and being able to order ANYTHING you want. I want 15 beef patties with 10 kilograms of mustard and a boat made of french fries. But you can't do that. They have a set menu you can order from. That set menu is equivalent to FH4's chat phrases.

If you don't like the menu, don't eat there.
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#6 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 3:43:17 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: leetleonidas Go to Quoted Post
This is probably to reduce the chance of toxicity. Give a multiplayer game unrestricted chat, you're bound to get toxicity. Give them funny/wholesome phrases? No toxicity.

If you want to talk with people, enable your mic.

This is a smart game design decision honestly, they don't need to worry about banning people for being idiots, and whatever you might say, in ANY multiplayer game there is a 100% someone will use a racial slur, or be an idiot.


fine then use censorship.....but not being able to talk at all it's just lame, i never seen a multiplayer game where you can't talk with people.. this is weird

Edited by user Monday, October 15, 2018 3:50:15 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#7 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 3:48:12 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Grenambo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: leetleonidas Go to Quoted Post
This is probably to reduce the chance of toxicity. Give a multiplayer game unrestricted chat, you're bound to get toxicity. Give them funny/wholesome phrases? No toxicity.

If you want to talk with people, enable your mic.

This is a smart game design decision honestly, they don't need to worry about banning people for being idiots, and whatever you might say, in ANY multiplayer game there is a 100% someone will use a racial slur, or be an idiot.


fine then use censorship.....but not being able to talk at all it's just lame, i never seen a multiplayer game where you can't talk with people.. this is weird


I understand your frustration and yes, it definitely is a compromise. It's a consequence of the sad reality wherein people on the internet will generally be toxic and ignorant because they are shielded by anonymity.

There are multiple games that employ the same, or different tactics. I think Rocket League uses a similar system? That's just off the top of my head, but I can look into it more and provide a more comprehensive list.

I suggest you get accustomed to this, as it is the best solution to a problem that can plague an entire game (see Overwatch or any MOBA)

EDIT: Just realized Fortnite, the biggest multiplayer game out there right now, doesn't have text chat either. Same reasons I suspect. Aimed at a more immature audience, bound to have toxicity.

Edited by user Monday, October 15, 2018 3:50:07 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#8 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 3:48:25 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Grenambo Go to Quoted Post
i never seen a multiplayer game where you can't talk with people.. this is weird


How is it weird?
This is the first Forza game to offer this option and one of very few Xbox games.
There is nothing stopping you from using a mic.
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#9 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 3:52:20 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: leetleonidas Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Grenambo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: leetleonidas Go to Quoted Post
This is probably to reduce the chance of toxicity. Give a multiplayer game unrestricted chat, you're bound to get toxicity. Give them funny/wholesome phrases? No toxicity.

If you want to talk with people, enable your mic.

This is a smart game design decision honestly, they don't need to worry about banning people for being idiots, and whatever you might say, in ANY multiplayer game there is a 100% someone will use a racial slur, or be an idiot.


fine then use censorship.....but not being able to talk at all it's just lame, i never seen a multiplayer game where you can't talk with people.. this is weird


I understand your frustration and yes, it definitely is a compromise. It's a consequence of the sad reality wherein people on the internet will generally be toxic and ignorant because they are shielded by anonymity.

There are multiple games that employ the same, or different tactics. I think Rocket League uses a similar system? That's just off the top of my head, but I can look into it more and provide a more comprehensive list.

I suggest you get accustomed to this, as it is the best solution to a problem that can plague an entire game (see Overwatch or any MOBA)

EDIT: Just realized Fortnite, the biggest multiplayer game out there right now, doesn't have text chat either. Same reasons I suspect. Aimed at a more immature audience, bound to have toxicity.


it's funny since talking on the mic is available.... pretty sure people can be toxic on the mic, and they can be muted......same thing can happen on text chat...

this whole thing really doesn't make any sense... like at all

and rocket league has a proper text chat

Edited by user Monday, October 15, 2018 3:55:43 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#10 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 3:58:51 AM(UTC)
if no text chat is due to toxicity and racism then why is talking on the mic available? you can't be racist on the mic?

i don't understand this logic

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#11 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 4:04:00 AM(UTC)
You can use XBL to send text messages to others if that's what you'd like to do.

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#12 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 4:10:49 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Hieronymus1967 Go to Quoted Post
You can use XBL to send text messages to others if that's what you'd like to do.



do i gotta minimize the game to do that?
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#13 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 4:12:53 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: leetleonidas Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Grenambo Go to Quoted Post
the game promotes social interaction but you can't talk with people lol.... that's like going at mcdonalds and you can't eat burgers


That's oversimplifying things a bit, but I understand you exaggerate to make a point.

I understand you are upset but if you look at this in a strictly pragmatic fashion, there are other ways to express yourself. Phrases, with your car, the mic, etc.

To respond using the same analogy you used - McDonald's have a menu. Unrestricted text chat would would be the same as going to McDonald's and being able to order ANYTHING you want. I want 15 beef patties with 10 kilograms of mustard and a boat made of french fries. But you can't do that. They have a set menu you can order from. That set menu is equivalent to FH4's chat phrases.

If you don't like the menu, don't eat there.


You ever played multiplayer games on PC, like Call of Duty or Battlefield? These have unrestricted text chat. The only restrictions are just the same as the Xbox terms of service, ie. nothing offensive. You also have the option to disable the chat appearing if you don't want to participate or to read other people's comments.

I appreciate this could be problematic in a cross platform game where only PCs have keyboards though.
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#14 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 4:14:50 AM(UTC)
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#15 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 4:16:55 AM(UTC)
Even with "Forzathon Live" it would be better to hear, talk and interact with the other players! This game is far to quiet and is getting old/boring real quick!!!
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#16 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 4:27:10 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: leetleonidas Go to Quoted Post
This is probably to reduce the chance of toxicity.


It's probably even deeper than this... prevents illegal dealings and other questionable interactions.

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#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:59:57 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Grenambo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Hieronymus1967 Go to Quoted Post
You can use XBL to send text messages to others if that's what you'd like to do.



do i gotta minimize the game to do that?


How else would you send a text message. It would be impossible to have a text box pop be able to input a message without losing control of the game. So yes it would have to "minimize" the game to do that. Why wouldn't you just use the mic like everyone else.

Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche Go to Quoted Post

You ever played multiplayer games on PC, like Call of Duty or Battlefield? These have unrestricted text chat. The only restrictions are just the same as the Xbox terms of service, ie. nothing offensive. You also have the option to disable the chat appearing if you don't want to participate or to read other people's comments.

I appreciate this could be problematic in a cross platform game where only PCs have keyboards though.


The console versions of those games don't allow that though do they?

Edited by user Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:01:26 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#18 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:55:56 AM(UTC)
Did I say they did?
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 12:04:22 PM(UTC)
So why do you expect other XBox games to. I haven't played any game that allows this on Xbox One.
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 2:15:11 PM(UTC)
Reading comprehension helps. Someone said no game would allow you to use unrestricted chat. I pointed out this is untrue. I also acknowledged this particular game is also on console and therefore text chat would be essentially impossible. As I said, reading comprehension goes a long way.
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 2:27:48 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Grenambo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Hieronymus1967 Go to Quoted Post
You can use XBL to send text messages to others if that's what you'd like to do.



do i gotta minimize the game to do that?


I think this phrase alone proves why free chat should not be included.
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:14:50 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Grenambo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Hieronymus1967 Go to Quoted Post
You can use XBL to send text messages to others if that's what you'd like to do.



do i gotta minimize the game to do that?


Just use the Xbox app on your phone
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:21:47 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Grenambo Go to Quoted Post
the game promotes social interaction but you can't talk with people lol.... that's like going at mcdonalds and you can't eat burgers


Funny enough there is one that don't sale burgers
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2018 1:16:40 AM(UTC)
I kinda like using what they give us to make some inappropriate phrases, like stringing together:

I'm right behind you!
Lets get dirty!
For me anything goes!

usually ill get a response of

I don't have a good feeling about this!
or
NOOOOOO!
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2018 1:39:19 AM(UTC)
It's almost like they left out free text chat because they knew people were going ram you into a wall at 150mph on every corner, ultimately that wouldn't end well in terms of typing anything you want. There is however a restriction on naming blue prints when trying to use certain phrases I've noticed, nothing even rude or offensive and it doesn't allow it.

Some of the quick chat options are pretty funny though and when used in the right situation are golden!
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