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#1 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:00:24 AM(UTC)
A little over a week now the game has been out and I've all but lost interest in it.
It's not been made with people like me in mind. people with little no no skills at games but like to play them.
Where do i start?

  • The wheel Spins.
    What a joke they are! mainly dishing out clothes, Emotes and novelty car horns. Ina game with around 35million credits worth of property to purchase we "Need" money.
    Stick the clothes in stuff in a separate shop where players that are inclined to play around with such things can use in game credits to purchase them.

  • The stories and Businesses.
    How the heck am I supposed to get three stars on those?????? I can't for the life of me get three stars any any of those. Too darned hard.

  • Seasonal Events.
    I can only play on "New Driver" or "inexperienced" at best. Seasonal events give extra rewards for playing on "Average" or higher. That is so totally unfair. I'm missing out on extra race rewards because I can't play at those levels.

  • Forzathon / weekly challenge.
    Not only do we need money for property but these weekly challenge things are asking for specific cars. Right now that's a "1992 Honda NSX-R".
    Coming up in a couple of weeks is "1995 Volkswagen Corrado VR6". So again money is "needed" to purchase and upgrade these motors.
    So why the hang is money so hard to get?

  • danger signs and drift zones and the like.
    some of the star star goals are a bit high are they not? Why can't the goals be based on game difficulty settings?

  • Bonus boards
    some of them require finding obscure/hard to spot jumps in order to reach them. suffice to say I haven't been able to get them all.



If i was to rate them game then 50% at the best. Only because it's so nice to finally have a game set in my home country (the UK). I have waited so long for that and it's finally here and in brilliant detail too.

Quick edit. I can't even win a seasonal event on "New Driver". obviously something made for those with more skill than I.

Time to just get rid of the games console i think? modern games just are "not" built with people like me in mind.

Edited by user Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:26:56 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:10:11 AM(UTC)
Actually, this game was made for people like you that aren't as skilled at racing games. You can finish last and they'll still give you a gold (participation) trophy. It doesn't get much more "noob" friendly than that. Only way they could make it any easier is if the game drove for you.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:21:47 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: holden4ever Go to Quoted Post
Actually, this game was made for people like you that aren't as skilled at racing games. You can finish last and they'll still give you a gold (participation) trophy. It doesn't get much more "noob" friendly than that. Only way they could make it any easier is if the game drove for you.


The OP is not talking about the basic single player races though.
I blame the ants.
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#4 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:24:58 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: holden4ever Go to Quoted Post
Actually, this game was made for people like you that aren't as skilled at racing games. You can finish last and they'll still give you a gold (participation) trophy. It doesn't get much more "noob" friendly than that. Only way they could make it any easier is if the game drove for you.


Agree 100%. Even competitive ranked multiplayer is treated like this. [Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D] Playground? As a day one buyer of all 4 Horizons, I can say this game hurts emotionally. Whoever was in charge of the ranked setup should try something other than playground gamemodes.

Edited by user Thursday, October 11, 2018 4:54:14 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#5 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:27:06 AM(UTC)
How does co-op work? Do both people have to set the score? or does it add up?

edit: Forget that question. I agree Holden, if this game held your hand anymore they should be naming it "Disney's Forza Cars".


To OP - Challenges are challenging by nature (duh?!) They aren't there for easy achievements.

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#6 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 2:54:26 AM(UTC)
To get the most Credit and Influence rewards at the end of something (race, drift zone, business, or what ever) you really, really need to finish first and/or get 3 star by hitting a high target.
Targets that I'm finding really hard to reach on "New Driver" difficulty let alone "Average" or higher as "Seasonal Events" would prefer.

Add on the Junk and drivel of the wheel spins. How the hang am I supposed to be able to buy properties and cars and be able to afford to upgrade cars when money is so hard to get.

Win money on the wheel spins. stick the Clothes, Emotes and Novelty horns on a separate shop where those that like to play around with that sort of thing can spend money it all.

Have the targets based on game difficulty. for Example:
and just for example as I can't be bothered looking up specifics.
The business - instead of doing it in under 1min50s for a 3 star make it 1m30s for "New Racer". I get the 3 star reward + the credits + the Influence for winning 3 stars not 1.
Likewise for the "Stories".

Drift zones instead of say 150,000 point for a 3 star make it 120,000 for a New Race and have the 150k for an Average driver.

I've just tried a couple of seasonal events that require a "Rally Monster" couldn't do it. couldn't finish higher than 3rd. Seasonal events ask for playing on "Average" or higher for extra rewards.

Kinda wishing I hadn't posted now as only one responder seems to understand what I'm trying to say and the rest either don't / can't / won't understand.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 3:16:59 AM(UTC)
I persevered and got the last two Danger Signs to 3 stars this morning. “Hitting” the Concrete Pipe at Mudkickers correctly was a total pain. My Danger Sign level is at 11. I have no idea if that is the maximum or how to increase it.

I definitely agree on the Business Story side. I got 1 star on the first, 3 stars on the second and could not complete the third. These stories should be linked to difficulty level (I have trouble with the LARacer ones as well).

In FM7 you could reduce the aggressiveness of the other drivers (in theory anyway). I have lost count of the number of time of I have been side swiped by other cars. Not helpful for a Clean Race.

I play on the easiest level of AI Driver and yet whenever I do a race three or four cars drive off into the distance. I do eventually catch them, but it can be frustrating as far as my stress levels are concerned!!

Having said that, I am still enjoying the game. My current target is to get the Cross Country races to level 10. Roll on Winter, later today so I can get my 14th Barn Find!
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#8 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 3:21:36 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DingusBatus Go to Quoted Post
To get the most Credit and Influence rewards at the end of something (race, drift zone, business, or what ever) you really, really need to finish first and/or get 3 star by hitting a high target.
Targets that I'm finding really hard to reach on "New Driver" difficulty let alone "Average" or higher as "Seasonal Events" would prefer.

Add on the Junk and drivel of the wheel spins. How the hang am I supposed to be able to buy properties and cars and be able to afford to upgrade cars when money is so hard to get.

Win money on the wheel spins. stick the Clothes, Emotes and Novelty horns on a separate shop where those that like to play around with that sort of thing can spend money it all.

Have the targets based on game difficulty. for Example:
and just for example as I can't be bothered looking up specifics.
The business - instead of doing it in under 1min50s for a 3 star make it 1m30s for "New Racer". I get the 3 star reward + the credits + the Influence for winning 3 stars not 1.
Likewise for the "Stories".

Drift zones instead of say 150,000 point for a 3 star make it 120,000 for a New Race and have the 150k for an Average driver.

I've just tried a couple of seasonal events that require a "Rally Monster" couldn't do it. couldn't finish higher than 3rd. Seasonal events ask for playing on "Average" or higher for extra rewards.

Kinda wishing I hadn't posted now as only one responder seems to understand what I'm trying to say and the rest either don't / can't / won't understand.


Don't worry, I am sure people understand. It sounds like a really nasty situation to be in. I perfectly understand that you feel trapped and don't know how to progress, since you need cars, you need money to buy cars, and you can't seem to get any money. My suggestion would be to pick a car you have and are comfortable driving, maybe even the one you started with. Upgrade it a little, so it reaches maybe High-A, Low-S1 spec, that will get you through most races comfortably. Then you can try and do the road races, I think they are the least demanding out of all of them, and don't require a car that needs to be a rally car, or whatever. You should be able to slowly win and progress through those races.

Since the wheelspins are based on luck but there is also a system in place that prevents complete lack of luck, you are bound to hit some money or cars in those eventually. It can be very annoying to get clothing items, trust me, I know, the wheelpsins is one of the things I hate most in FH4.

It can be very demoralizing and daunting to be in the situation you are in, but my advice for you would be to try and take it slow, and try to find enjoyment in what you are doing, even if it's just driving around wrecking things, getting skill points. Using skill points grants influence, so eventually you'll level up just by getting/using skill points, which will bring more wheelspins, etc.

Good luck!
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#9 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 3:26:17 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DingusBatus Go to Quoted Post
To get the most Credit and Influence rewards at the end of something (race, drift zone, business, or what ever) you really, really need to finish first and/or get 3 star by hitting a high target.
Targets that I'm finding really hard to reach on "New Driver" difficulty let alone "Average" or higher as "Seasonal Events" would prefer.

Add on the Junk and drivel of the wheel spins. How the hang am I supposed to be able to buy properties and cars and be able to afford to upgrade cars when money is so hard to get.

Win money on the wheel spins. stick the Clothes, Emotes and Novelty horns on a separate shop where those that like to play around with that sort of thing can spend money it all.

Have the targets based on game difficulty. for Example:
and just for example as I can't be bothered looking up specifics.
The business - instead of doing it in under 1min50s for a 3 star make it 1m30s for "New Racer". I get the 3 star reward + the credits + the Influence for winning 3 stars not 1.
Likewise for the "Stories".

Drift zones instead of say 150,000 point for a 3 star make it 120,000 for a New Race and have the 150k for an Average driver.

I've just tried a couple of seasonal events that require a "Rally Monster" couldn't do it. couldn't finish higher than 3rd. Seasonal events ask for playing on "Average" or higher for extra rewards.

Kinda wishing I hadn't posted now as only one responder seems to understand what I'm trying to say and the rest either don't / can't / won't understand.


Sorry for being rude, just really frustrated by the decisions in this game.

Practice makes perfect, give yourself some time and it will become easier. Driving assists can really hold you back.

Edited by user Thursday, October 11, 2018 3:30:06 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#10 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 3:31:19 AM(UTC)
If you take a look in this thread:
https://forums.forzamoto...r-Mastery-and-Perks.aspx

The last couple of posts cover some special cars that have perks that give either wheelspins, or a lot of money - 200k / 300k.

I know the chances of getting those cars are pretty slim (though some of them are barn finds so you are bound to have them - like the MGB GT, or Triumph Spitfire).

So just by getting some skill points, and then putting points in those cars, you can make some pretty easy money. Then you can use that to either buy cars or properties, or generally help you get farther in the game.

Hope this helps
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#11 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 3:40:17 AM(UTC)
Car flipping from the Auction house can make good money. If you look at some videos etc explaining this but a more expensive example is buying a Lambo centenario can sometimes be bought with a buyout price of 1.2 million and then be resold with a buyout price of 2 mill, and people will pay the 2mill buyout. That is a quick 800k you can make. A player market like that allows you to make money in other ways like car flipping, which is a smart way of making money in other ways other than racing. 800k might not seem like much but if you can pull that off for 10 cars...that is 8 mill you can make in potentially an hour. Sure this might not always work but at the best it would be a 200k lost which is easily compensated for in 1 car being sold.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 3:46:06 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: leetleonidas Go to Quoted Post
If you take a look in this thread:
https://forums.forzamoto...r-Mastery-and-Perks.aspx

The last couple of posts cover some special cars that have perks that give either wheelspins, or a lot of money - 200k / 300k.

I know the chances of getting those cars are pretty slim (though some of them are barn finds so you are bound to have them - like the MGB GT, or Triumph Spitfire).

So just by getting some skill points, and then putting points in those cars, you can make some pretty easy money. Then you can use that to either buy cars or properties, or generally help you get farther in the game.

Hope this helps


Last thing I'll add - The op's wheelspin issue is absolutely a problem. 80% chance for clothing, emotes or horns, and if you land a duplicate its just thrown down the well.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 4:08:38 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: RogsR34UK Go to Quoted Post
My current target is to get the Cross Country races to level 10. Roll on Winter, later today so I can get my 14th Barn Find!


14th Barn Find. Can I ask how you have that many? I'm only on 12 despite playing the game near on daily but Quickly get bored with it so only last about an hour before switching off.

I've done the Road Race Series + The Dirt Race Series + the Street Scene. Still got the Cross Country Series to do. Done the Business missions + Stunt Driver + LARRacer mission. Drift Club is impossible for me. If I get the requisite number of drift points I run out of time to make it to the end, if I make to the end in time i'm short on drift points.

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#14 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 4:09:14 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: RogsR34UK Go to Quoted Post
My current target is to get the Cross Country races to level 10. Roll on Winter, later today so I can get my 14th Barn Find!


14th Barn Find. Can I ask how you have that many? I'm only on 12 despite playing the game near on daily but Quickly get bored with it so only last about an hour before switching off.

I've done the Road Race Series + The Dirt Race Series + the Street Scene. Still got the Cross Country Series to do. Done the Business missions + Stunt Driver + LARRacer mission. Drift Club is impossible for me. If I get the requisite number of drift points I run out of time to make it to the end, if I make to the end in time i'm short on drift points.

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#15 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 4:13:43 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DingusBatus Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RogsR34UK Go to Quoted Post
My current target is to get the Cross Country races to level 10. Roll on Winter, later today so I can get my 14th Barn Find!


14th Barn Find. Can I ask how you have that many? I'm only on 12 despite playing the game near on daily but Quickly get bored with it so only last about an hour before switching off.

I've done the Road Race Series + The Dirt Race Series + the Street Scene. Still got the Cross Country Series to do. Done the Business missions + Stunt Driver + LARRacer mission. Drift Club is impossible for me. If I get the requisite number of drift points I run out of time to make it to the end, if I make to the end in time i'm short on drift points.



I believe you get barn find rumours with some of the houses that you purchase.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 4:34:50 AM(UTC)
If it was easy enough for you to master, there's a far larger crowd who would say there's no challenge to it what so ever.

I have yet to beat a timed event on highly skilled to get the greatest reward, but I don't go around feeling like the game makers has slighted me, I try to get better.

There's really no need for anyone to understand where you are coming from here, quite the opposite, you need to understand a challenge, and getting better at something if you want to be up to the challenge. Quit expecting life to hand you everything.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 5:59:44 AM(UTC)
First and foremost don’t let this game make you depressed. The more you practice driving then the better you will get, especially if you run the routes multiple times.

It Sounds like you need to start from the bottom in slower cars and work your way up taking off assists as you go. Trying to drive a hyper, super, or high end car right out the gate is harder than driving something slower because of reaction time.

I suggest using a good D or C class car to figure everything out, most of these cars are cheap too. Use the blueprint editor so that you can continue to use the same car for every race if you wish so you can get better with that car. If you haven’t set up your controller right so that your input is how you want it. (I found the default inputs sluggish in this game.) Raceboy77 has some really good videos on YouTube for controller settings.

Unfortunately right now the challenges are out of your wheelhouse, but with practice you should be able to work your way up to faster cars and stiffer competition.

As for money, Forzathon is a huge deal. Like was stated above flipping cars is a fantastic way to earn money fast. Make sure you play Forzathon live every chance you get and try to complete the daily/weekly challenges. (VIP gives you a house that doubles Forzathon points) Use the Forzathon points to buy the exclusive car of the week and sell it in the auction house for a free flip. These cars will give you maximum return especially once the week for achieving them is over.

Example: the Ferrari 812 will go for over 1 mil credits buyout when Autumn finishes.



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#18 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2018 1:48:20 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: AtomiqueMclaren Go to Quoted Post

(VIP gives you a house that doubles Forzathon points)


Do you have to be currently "residing" in the house to obtain the double FP benefits or can you simply own it?
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#19 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2018 2:24:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AtomiqueMclaren Go to Quoted Post

(VIP gives you a house that doubles Forzathon points)


Do you have to be currently "residing" in the house to obtain the double FP benefits or can you simply own it?


Just own it, as with any other perk house.
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#20 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2018 2:29:18 PM(UTC)
At a glance it does seem a little poor that the minimum difficulty for Seasonal rewards is Average, but you're talking a 5,000Cr reward there. You'll earn many times that just for participating in the first place.
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#21 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2018 2:38:15 PM(UTC)
There are things I don't like about this game, however they can be easily fixed. However for casuals NFS is a thing.
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#22 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2018 3:00:16 PM(UTC)
I've worked in the game industry on console games. Microsoft actually strongly encourages that all achievements should be possible for most players. Leaderboards (without cheaters) should be used for the more advanced to track ability. Now, I've managed to get 3 stars on everything in Horizon titles, however, I'm frustrated by the lack of consistency in the difficulty.

For example, the jump run up through the concrete pipes is just stupid. I lined it up perfectly, then without touching the steering used rewind to take multiple passes through the pipe. Every time the car bounced differently. That means it takes luck as much as skill to get the 3 stars. All 3 star efforts should be consistent and skill based.

The lumber mill jump in FH3 was even worse. The fact that I can do some 3 star stunts in one try, then others take LOTs of tries just doesn't seem right.

I agree with the original post. The game should be fun for most, then provide a way for the advanced to still enjoy it. Even economically it makes sense because the 1% players don't pay any more than the other 99% so they deserve the same value.
The gamer tag is accurate. It's how I've made a living for about 30 years, however I wish was racing cars instead. Sigh
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#23 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2018 3:08:43 PM(UTC)
OP: "I can't drive, I'll blame it on the game."
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#24 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2018 3:09:58 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DingusBatus Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RogsR34UK Go to Quoted Post
My current target is to get the Cross Country races to level 10. Roll on Winter, later today so I can get my 14th Barn Find!


14th Barn Find. Can I ask how you have that many? I'm only on 12 despite playing the game near on daily but Quickly get bored with it so only last about an hour before switching off.

I've done the Road Race Series + The Dirt Race Series + the Street Scene. Still got the Cross Country Series to do. Done the Business missions + Stunt Driver + LARRacer mission. Drift Club is impossible for me. If I get the requisite number of drift points I run out of time to make it to the end, if I make to the end in time i'm short on drift points.



Drifting in itself takes practice. Just keep cracking at it, eventually it will come to you.
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#25 Posted : Friday, October 12, 2018 3:11:41 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Ahh Matt Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DingusBatus Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RogsR34UK Go to Quoted Post
My current target is to get the Cross Country races to level 10. Roll on Winter, later today so I can get my 14th Barn Find!


14th Barn Find. Can I ask how you have that many? I'm only on 12 despite playing the game near on daily but Quickly get bored with it so only last about an hour before switching off.

I've done the Road Race Series + The Dirt Race Series + the Street Scene. Still got the Cross Country Series to do. Done the Business missions + Stunt Driver + LARRacer mission. Drift Club is impossible for me. If I get the requisite number of drift points I run out of time to make it to the end, if I make to the end in time i'm short on drift points.



I believe you get barn find rumours with some of the houses that you purchase.


You need to purchase the castle that costs 10 million CR to get the barnfind rumor. Then there are three barnfinds locked to a specific season, the rest comes.. Whenever they come.
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