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100% this, and I’m surprised nobody really mentions it. You go from having an epic race on beautiful roads, straight to a bright white screen with big TVs and dancing. I much preferred FH3 when they had all the scenery in the background with the menus and leaderboards overlayed

I agree with the posts above, this game has taken a wrong turn.

I have all the Forza Games and love them, this one however has put me off.

I have practically finished this game with 3 cars in Solo, the buggy for cross country, the WRX for one of them cannot remember the name, and the Audi R8 V10 Plus for street and road races.

Unlike FH3 this game doesn't force you to use a certain class for a race, a pre staged class event, refer to above FH3 did.

The fact that Youtubers that review this game get millions of free credits for Review or finding the fastest car is unfair on all of us hat have to grind through the races just to get the cars and houses.
this game has enough of a fan base that you don't need to give 'special people' an advantage,

The map size, personally i don't think it's any bigger, add 100 roads and call it the biggest?, TDU2 had the biggest free roam MAP in any Racing game made to date.

I love the fact I can customise characters in the game, buy houses etc, something is missing.... Casino???

some more dislikes about the game is,

- still no test drives prior to buying the cars, TDU and TDU2 you could (2006) it is now 2018
- visit a car dealership to buy the car rather than magically buying it from the clouds, again TDU and TDU2 you could (2006) it is now 2018
- have optional preset colour schemes for the interior of the cars again TDU2 you could (2006) it is now 2018
- why do we always have to start at the top in these games, why can't we start in say a go Kart and work our way up with restricted races etc, instead here is a Audi, a Ford or a Dodge, really?

whether or not I buy the next Horizon is dependent on whether turn10 and playground listen to the community, I will definitely buy FM8 as i love Simulation Racing also, or I will keep my fingers crossed and hope TDU3 will ever be released

Oh one more.. still no skippable intro.





Yeah it's a nice feature if u drive with cockpit view and wanna drive around without hud or so.


T10/PG could learn a lot from other games and the community...

One of the things that bothers me is the communication between players ingame. I mean, Test Drive Unlimited back in 2006(!) had a nice possibility in Multiplayer. Just type "t" and use your keyboard and type what you want.

At least you could do this in the PC-Version (and on Xbox in the future, since keyboard is comming to xbox).

The system which is integrated (and was annouced as big feature) is a complete mess. Most communications look like this:

"Hi"
"Nice car"
"nice car"
"nice car"
"My name is Bond, James Bond"
"Hello"
"Nice car"
"nice car"
"bwaaaah"

I mean...this is ridicilous.

.I totally agree not even a bronze or silver to know where you came one race is just stupid.also no incentive to buy new cars you can go through the whole game in one car ,ridiculous

I agree with most of the above and:
Bucket lists? Where are they?
I still play FH3 even though I've completed 99% of it, but you can still click on a race and new races populate which gives you almost infinite re playability. Where's that gone?
I used to enjoy honking my horn and getting a posse together with random races to a finish line somewhere as it It meant not being so alone in the game. FH4 is deserted with not one rival to be seen.
Waiting for the post race credits/prizes is nauseating now that there's no skip function.
Don't get me started on avatars/emotes/clothing please; I absolutely loathe that aspect of the game.
I don't know what the so called prologue is. Is it completing a full 4 seasons and does that open up new features?
I think the game has been dumbed down quite frankly, maybe for a younger audience and the competitive spirit has been removed. Disappointed doesn't quite cover it.

my only disappointment so far is the concrete cylinder in front of the mudkicker danger ramp. so hard to hit that just right at a proper speed.

It's quite fun if you are aged between 6 and 10. I have it on good authority though that 11 and 12 year olds find it childish. :p

- No petrol station in the map :) (correct me if iam wrong)
- No traffic / parking cars on the sides / density in Edinburgh. Feels a bit like an empty nuketown.
- No possibility to embed own music natively in the game, like in FH3

Apart from that, overall still a great game :)

Edited by user Friday, October 5, 2018 3:47:49 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

WHERE IS PHOTO MODE?

Cant for the life of me seem to find it !!!

Hold or press (not sure atm) "UP" on your d-pad.

Well, I guess we all can whine about the little things we don’t like (Pink Ballerina Slippers), but I have two primary issues thus far:

Multiplayer

First off, I very much enjoy the FORZATHON Live Events. These are very entertaining and give nice rewards for participation. What I don’t understand is the standard multiplayer. I will admit that I’ve only been in a few events so far, but that has been because they don’t really make sense to me.

First off, you’re automatically divided into “Teams”. OK, I think I get the gist behind this; allow players to be on the same team and you reduce the carnage of griefers since everyone has the goal of benefiting the team rather than the individual. But the main issue that was overlooked is that griefers don’t care about the race; hence they don’t care about the team; hence they bash you anyway.

Eliminating the “Championships” from FH2 & FH3, in my opinion, is also sending the wrong message. Once the race is completed, you are sent back on your own and you must initiate another race to continue. My concern on this is that now it is all about the “WIN”, nothing else matters; this promotes “wall riders”, “pushers”, and all out “cheaters”. In the Championships, you didn’t need to win every race, you just needed to race well. It makes multiplayer racing very unappealing to clean racers.

Rewards

I understand the idea of trying to expand the Horizon world with emotes, cloths, horns, and chat phrases. But I don’t like the fact that it is “forced” on me (i.e. Wheelspins). When I first saw the videos on this stuff, I thought it was going to be items you could purchase with credits; but no, they’re rewards.

I would have expected some sort of “Store Front” where you could spend your credits on certain items. With the new Seasons, warmer clothing could have been offered in the Winter, and summer attire during the warmer months. I admit, I probably would have bought some particular items for my avatar, but having it forced on me and getting a whole bunch of junk that I’d never use… well, it just takes the joy out of winning a wheelspin.

Well, that’s just my opinion… I could be wrong.

- There's no spacers on the Pagani Zonda Cinque.

That is literally the only time I've felt disappointed in the 20 or so hours I've put into this game, seeing as I don't do multiplayer aside from Forzathon Live (which is an absolute riot mind you), but I can see the issues with the multiplayer from here so I'm not exactly tempted to change that.

I still think this is a great racing game. That being said, here is my list in no particular order:

• The introduction that is way too long for what it is.
  
• No scaling in #Forzathon Events. And why do they exist in the first place? To earn "ForzaPoints" with which I can buy other stuff? Why? Is this the first step to real-money micro-transactions?
  
• No sense of progress after the prologue. I mean what is the point after the first year? There is no goal, no purpose no anything. Only grind... See next point
  
• Ludicrous game-pacing. The game throws money at you left and right the first few hours.
  But at around level 60 it all came down to a screeching halt. You earn like 10 to 20k from normal races and I'm supposed to earn a few million to buy houses I can't even enter? There is nothing to look forward to. FH3 had the different festival sites. You had to upgrade them. Here it's just some arbitrary number you have to increase no wristbands or any kind of reward. And after level 200 you just reset? O_o
  
• Replacing the global perk system with perks per car is a miss for me. This sounded awesome when I first heard it, but unfortunately it doesn't work for me at all. I mean this game tells you to own and drive as many cars as possible. Why on earth would I spent all my skill points on a certain car which I use for a few races and get a new one. And why do all the cars have more or less the same perks? This just takes a way another way of progression because everything you do feels like it is thrown away sooner or later. So why do it in the first place? Why can we have the perk system for my "character" like in FH3 and have very special expensive perks for each car?
  
• The menu is an absolute mess.
  
• Why do I have 26 different things to level up? Many things I don't care about but now it feels like I doing something wrong.
  
• Can the announcers please be skipped or be quiet? Every time you level up, which happens a lot in the early game, you get thrown into the map and someone tells you BS how great you are and here are your new races. Why cant I skip that?
  
• Don't reset my map! Every time after you level up,and you open the map it is reset to show everything. This is not only annoying it also counter productive. Example, I filtered the map to only show me speed traps. Than I level up my "speed trap level". As soon as I open the map to select the next trap, the map is reset to show everything and add new speed trap icons. Who thought that would be a good user experience? Now I have to close the map because in this case the filter is not available. Re-open the map and set the filter again. So you are not only not really rewarded but actually punished for leveling up. Strange design decision. This is made worse by the stupid amount and size of the icons on the map. Less is more some times PG.
  
• The clubs are rather pointless if there is not club leaderboard, aren't they?
  
• The cheating "AI" is worse than ever. It feels so artificial and cheap at times that I ask myself what the point in this races. Cross-Country races are so little fun, because the races are basically unplayable until I cheat myself by using the full racing line and rewind. AI drivers are on rails no matter what happens around them, it's extremely frustrating.
  
• Why is every car in my garage marked a "new" as long as I have not driven it? I have 100+ cars already. Most of them from wheel spins and other sources other than the autoshow. So every time I get a new car it just says "a new car has been added to the garage" and I have absolutely no idea which one is the new one. This is in part my own fault since I tend to save up the wheelspins and do a whole bunch of them at once because that way I can skip the animations.
  
• I don't care for the character customization. I would rather not have the clothes and horns in wheelspin selection but I don't mind it too much.
  
• The music is very repetitive this time. FH3 felt more diversified.
  
• I play of Xbox One X and there are some weird graphical glitches with the front lights and night.
  

I don't play competitive multiplayer so I don't have any opinion on those things.

This is all from the top of my head.

Edited by user Friday, October 5, 2018 6:00:53 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Formatting

Biggest disappointments for me:

Clubs are completely worthless now.

No Horizon Promo

And holy hell does the first engine upgrade for the 92 Honda NSX sound terrible. Sparkamatics

if it weren't for the laggy 30fps gameplay on standard xbox and quiet engine sounds/wrong car notes, i'd be enjoying the game a lot more. at best its a version update with a different locale. decent effort, all in all.

good job on the physics though - i think they feel less arcadey than fh3.

To me, this game needed another 6 months development.
Time to work on an actual story line, to give the game a purpose.
To add more races & championships with better progression like H3.

To also take a second look at all the issues in this thread, at honestly very strange decisions they've seemed to have made. It's too late to fix the story & give this game more of a focus but they could fix many of the issues people have with it.

It's strange that whilst yes, this game has many improvements over H3, they basically changed all the great things about that game that didn't need changing to make them much worse & they seemed to have spent too much time & effort focusing on things that nobody wanted, taking away the time & effort that should've gone into as i said; story, better progression & more races.

Edited by user Friday, October 5, 2018 7:21:47 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Most has already been mentioned.

- Engine sounds are to similar, the generic ones you can put in many cars V8, V10, V12 especially the V12 sounds terrible, just like in FH3. They should just let us choose what engine sound we want for what engine, it doesn't have to be realistic at all, if i want a V12 that sounds like the regular engine of my car for example a bmw, so be it let us do that, at least then we have the choice.
- Barely any championships, just the seasonal championships are not enough, and we only get the reward once, we should get the same reward everytime we finish them.
- They made the normal wheelspins more expensive from 10 to 40 forzathon live points, i mean [Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D] that.
- After 82 hours of gameplay i already got 264 of 450 cars, another week of gaming and there is nothing else to do.
- It's almost impossible to win a trial in coop with randoms, i tried the Mambo Lambo 40 times never won it even once, because randoms just suck. Matchmaking sucks, why would i want to drive with total idiots that not even use the right car class for a race, driving this Mambo Lambo in a 800-850 even tho it's limited to 900 is just stupid, there should be a minimum of 890 to be able to join these races.
- Having to grind the Marathon or Gauntlet or Titan or whatever to get to max level is just **** , there should have been at least enough races to get to max level 20 without having to farm the same ones over and over again. The map is big enough for much more variety of races, why not just add more at least 140 events should have been there not 70.
- The unbeatable drivatars are just [Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D], they don't get slower if they drive through water or in the rain, it's all just rubberbanding, the class of their cars don't matter at all, a 850 golf drivatar is as fast as a 900 Huracan, i mean [Mod Edit - Abbreviated profanity, profanity and profanity that is disguised but still alludes to the words are not permitted - D]?
- WE CAN'T COMPLETETLY TURN OFF THE MUSIC, AND THE STREAMER MODE HAS TO GET ACTIVATED EVERYTIME WE START THE GAME AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
- We can't edit our race blueprints why?????????????? We have to create 5 for each event to be able to replace/edit one of them, it's just stupid.
- The skillpoint system is just horrible, why we have to farm thousands of points only because we want to drive more cars? It was 1000 times better in FH3, where we had one Skilltree for all cars. To max out every car let's say all cars are legendary we would have to earn 45000 skill points. This is just a horrible waste of time IMO. Always having a bad feeling driving a not maxed out car because i miss out some points and rewards etc.

I guess that's enough for now. :D

Edited by user Saturday, October 6, 2018 4:32:01 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Yeah, that is weird. It's also disconnected, you have this prologue with cutscenes - and afterwards you are thrown into a game with only racing events, no cutscenes anymore (the story mission cutscenes are always the same with different audio).



FH1 still has the best progression model.



It is. Such a shame after FH3, which only needed minor improvements here and there. Now it is just bad. Like why can I even select a road car with race tires in an offroad championship? Just automatically apply the appropriate tires for the car. And with free roam rush being a thing, wouldn't you need offroad tires on everything at all times?



Huge, huge downgrade. Seems like it serves no purpose other than getting more people to interact with Xbox Live clubs.



Yeah, FH3 was almost perfect. Now half the options on the screen link you to some place outside of the game, be it Forza Hub or a store page or other weird places. An ingame menu needs to tell you exactly when you are leaving the game. Not mix everything together. Also why do I still have to go to the garage if I want to download a new livery? Or if I want to paint? Why even have a Creative Hub tab if you can only see what you are currently sharing? Similar with the world map. Even without using filters there should never be icons on top of each other. It's just bad usability. Also why are DLC cars not in the DLC cars menu? But in the car pass menu? Then there's the obvious things that are missing: Stunt points leaderboard being one of them, championship another.



Yes, in terms of content is more of an addon than a new game. Between FH2 and FH4 the changes in terms of actual things to do are minor. Kinda makes me feel they should take more time. Two years (actually less than that, closer to 21 months) just isn't enough.



Just turn off the radio?

Edited by user Friday, October 5, 2018 7:32:56 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Harsh not to list positives aswell. The game deserves it. Youre a right lot of moaners on here you really are. But ok...while im here..
1...Laggy train in multiplayer..its actually horrendously bad! Needs fixing asap.
2...No Private freeroam lobby...very dissapointing.
3...No free for all Adventure mode...love the new format though! Winners who cross the finish line first win..not drifters who dont even finish.
4....Still no Hide n Seek mode

So true. LOL. The chat system should be completely removed in its current form, it is absolutely pointless.



Boy, you really did not learn your lesson in your closed thread that it is not the smartest idea to insult others.

Edited by user Friday, October 5, 2018 7:38:05 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I don't think anyone in this thread wouldn't say they've made some improvements over H3, i personally love some things they've done. But overall, in many key area's they've taken a big step backwards. Which when you paying upwards of £50 to £85, isn't exactly great. But this is a 'list of disappointments' thread after all. Many of which can be fixed or improved upon if they care.

List of my disappointments so far: (I'm level 20, 500-something in FH3)
-Prologue is too long
-I can't make any championships
-There is no sense of progression whatsoever
-Multiplayer, just everything about it
-Clubs are now pretty much useless
-Rivals, can't drive the car I want to
-No bucket lists
-Boring soundtrack
-Wet surfaces are too slippery (guess that's my problem)
-Dynamic optimisation - What is that? https://imgur.com/a/hB89evf

Edited by user Friday, October 5, 2018 8:44:58 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

It's not about the radio, it's about turning off all music, it's impossible there only is a radio volume slider that i can reduce to 1 but not 0, which means if i want to use a skill song i really have to listen to it, and there is no workaround, and also the streamer mode turns off music in load and award screens, but in the race screen itself there is also music played from the festival or whatever, i can't turn that off. Music should always be 100% optional in every game and not forced onto ppl.

It really sucks that the streamer mode option has to be enabled everytime i start the game again, it doesn't get saved for some reason, total bullsh..

It's a crushing case of "more of the same" with some very questionable game design.

This is why I take issue with game critics in general. This game got rave reviews and didn't really deserve that amount of praise. As a result, the Metacritic score is erroneously very high. Congrats to Playground and everything, I want them to succeed but this isn't really a universal success.