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#26 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2018 5:55:54 PM(UTC)
If the limit was confirmed on the livestream to be 900 and it is in fact 550 then I can only think of two reasons:
1) It was always going to be 550 and it was a mistake to claim it was 900
2) It caused a bug/load issues and they didn't expect to see people get 550 cars so soon so it isn't a priority.
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#27 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2018 4:43:04 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: AlPhAcEnTuRiOn2 Go to Quoted Post
If the limit was confirmed on the livestream to be 900 and it is in fact 550 then I can only think of two reasons:
1) It was always going to be 550 and it was a mistake to claim it was 900
2) It caused a bug/load issues and they didn't expect to see people get 550 cars so soon so it isn't a priority.


Still disappointing. I feel like if they had to reduce the garage limit at launch to prevent bugs and loading issues, we should have been able to have a line of communication with the developers, so they can tell us what's going on. Instead of us sitting in no man's land wishing for things. Saying that they could have an area where they communicate with the players, but I'm extremely blind haha.
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#28 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2018 12:20:00 PM(UTC)
I really do hope these limitations will be adapted to the amount of cars - of for future games - the amount of cars to the limitations of garage spots and designs etc. It's at least odd to feature almost twice the amount of cars than customizations you can offer. People want to collect all cars by nature - I'm certain most players don't actually use 300 cars, or even 100, I, myself, just like other guys, want my cars to be personalized and then use them occasionally or when required.

I've got a question about the "tune limit", however. What does it affect? At least in German we have got three different things that are "tunings".
Firstly, the modification of your care in your garage; the installation of things to it.
Secondly, the setup, where you can adjust the gear transmission ratio etc.,
and lastly, I can download tunes by other people.
Do they all "mean" the same? And if not, what's limited?

I'm not a huge design fan myself, in fact I mostly don't like it. But I want my cars to have the colors I chose for them, so, naturally, I give them a paintjob, which is why 300 is a little bit low.
Also - is it correct that cars bought at the autoshow are not taking up spaces in the design section? So I rather buy a yellow Huracan instead of getting one and then paint it yellow? Thanks, anyways.
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#29 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2018 9:05:57 PM(UTC)
The limit should be at least 750.
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#30 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2018 10:43:04 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Boxxout Go to Quoted Post
What happens when you put a car that has a design you created into the auction house, then delete the design from "my designs" and pull the car out of the auction?
Would that work as a loophole to keep painting cars while not using slots?


It works but I'm not sure if you can "pull the car out" instead of wait for the time to end.

You can also say bye-bye to anything Japanese, as people will buy those at any price for some reason.
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#31 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:20:17 PM(UTC)
So 550 or 900 ?
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#32 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2018 11:28:50 PM(UTC)
These limits make no sense. With the small percentage of people that hit them and the mere bytes it takes of storage there is no way this is saving them any money by imposing limits on stuff.

How about also the Photo leveling you can't reach without mass amounts of deleting and retaking because of the extremely tiny around 20 photo limit.
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#33 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 12:43:32 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Pegman Go to Quoted Post
So 550 or 900 ?

550
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#34 Posted : Monday, October 15, 2018 5:00:30 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: LanskyRamo Go to Quoted Post
I really do hope these limitations will be adapted to the amount of cars - of for future games - the amount of cars to the limitations of garage spots and designs etc. It's at least odd to feature almost twice the amount of cars than customizations you can offer. People want to collect all cars by nature - I'm certain most players don't actually use 300 cars, or even 100, I, myself, just like other guys, want my cars to be personalized and then use them occasionally or when required.

I've got a question about the "tune limit", however. What does it affect? At least in German we have got three different things that are "tunings".
Firstly, the modification of your care in your garage; the installation of things to it.
Secondly, the setup, where you can adjust the gear transmission ratio etc.,
and lastly, I can download tunes by other people.
Do they all "mean" the same? And if not, what's limited?

I'm not a huge design fan myself, in fact I mostly don't like it. But I want my cars to have the colors I chose for them, so, naturally, I give them a paintjob, which is why 300 is a little bit low.
Also - is it correct that cars bought at the autoshow are not taking up spaces in the design section? So I rather buy a yellow Huracan instead of getting one and then paint it yellow? Thanks, anyways.


300 tune limit is totally number tune setups you have saved either by downloading them or saving them byself. Like i have 340 cars on my garage and every car is tuned but i cant share more than 300 tunes, rest 40 i have just made setup for them and apply that without saving.
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:05:44 AM(UTC)
The photo limit seems to be at about 80 photos in total

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#36 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 6:20:00 AM(UTC)
Photo limit seems to be based on disk size used. My brother ran out around 25. About 4 to 5 KB(!) per image. So he was limited to about 125 freaking kilobytes. There are text only web pages that probably take more space. The savings on server space are negligible. More is probably spent loading the Forza logo on these forums.
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#37 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:06:56 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Uasdf Go to Quoted Post
Photo limit seems to be based on disk size used. My brother ran out around 25. About 4 to 5 KB(!) per image. So he was limited to about 125 freaking kilobytes. There are text only web pages that probably take more space. The savings on server space are negligible. More is probably spent loading the Forza logo on these forums.

Seriously? That is just stupid. Basically everybody who plays this game in 4K either on PC or Xbox One X keeps having to delete their photos all the time then...
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#38 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:18:29 AM(UTC)
Guys, I'm a professional software developer and I design cloud systems. Cloud storage is dirt cheap for a consumer and for Microsoft it would be even cheaper. Artificial limits to storage is just stupid, period. It's bad programming and/or bad product design.

For example, I pay $110 a year for a Office 365 Home Edition and 5 family members then get 1 TB each. Despite the capabilities of cloud storage I don't even have the option of using my own storage to increase the limit.

From a technical perspective, it's inexcusable. Once again, bad programming and/or bad product design.

Edited by user Tuesday, October 16, 2018 10:21:28 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#39 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2018 10:53:30 AM(UTC)
I will be Honest., I am absolutely *livid* about the current Garage cap being 350 Cars less than what was Stated in the Live Streams.

I must Humbly Request that You Please Patch the Garage and Paint Caps as soon as the Games Code (Assuming that is the Issue, as I have noticed the Garage does seem to be Struggling to load Thumbnails as My Collection gets Bigger) can be made compatible with a Raised Garage Limit in order to give us the full 900 Car Cap (also with the Stated 700, and not the current 300, Paint Slots, if that is at all Possible Please) that was Stated by Playground Games in a Livestream.

If it is Humanly Possible, I would Personally Prefer the Garage and Paint Slot Cap increases to come in Next Months "Mega-Patch" Please , As that 550 Car Garage Cap is going to Drastically effect My Personal ability to get what I Personally Perceive to be "My Moneys Worth" from the Game if it remains in Place for the foreseeable Future , as the Games Car list will likely outgrow the Available Garage Space roughly around January by My Personal Calculations, and I will probably run out of Paint-Slots long before even then, as I am already up to 110 used Slots due to Wheelspin and Barn Find Cars!

If I cannot collect (and Repaint!) *All* of the Games Available Cars, I will Personally consider Myself as not being able to Get what I Personally Perceive as "My Moneys Worth" out of the Game , as I am Entirely Reliant on Single Player, meaning I get the 2 or so Years worth of Game Lifespan out of Collecting (and, if necessary, Repainting.. Look, I don't want that 370Z I got in a Wheelspin in White, I want it in Blue, but that takes up *another* Paint Slot for Some Reason, despite it being a Manufacturer Paint Option!) all of the Games available Cars, meaning I will have, in My Own Personal Opinion, Basically thrown £80 down a Drain as I wont be able to do that!

That kind of Money is not easy to come by for Me at all at only £100 Per Month of "Personal Independence Payment!" (which is what replaced the old "Disability Living Allowance" here in the UK) , and not being able to get what I Personally Perceive as the full Value of that Kind of Money is not a good Situation for Me at all as it is very Difficult Indeed for Me to Replace that Kind of Money!

This Situation needs to be Sorted out and Fast in My Personal Opinion, the Game, again, in My own Personal Opinion, Really could do with being Patched to the Cap Levels mentioned In the Live Streams as quickly as Humanly Possible so I can get what I Personally Perceive to be My full £80 worth out of the Game by being able to Collect and Repaint all of its Cars.

I am afraid I must also Humbly Request that, if it is at all Possible, a Person from Playground or Turn 10, or even just a Deputised Moderator, could come in here to kindly explain to us why the Garage and Paint Caps are currently 350 Cars and 400 Paint Slots Short of what was Stated in the Live-Streams, Please?

They were kind enough to Explain why the Route Creator was Delayed (AI issues) , and a Similar explanation as to the currently "lower than Stated" Garage and Paint Caps would be very much Appreciated by Me Personally, and Probably by other Members of the Community as well :)

Edited by user Wednesday, October 17, 2018 11:08:46 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Making the post as Polite as Possible as I *Really* dont want My account to be Banned :(

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#40 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2018 11:13:02 AM(UTC)
I was at 250 cars, then I was gifted the 720s and Senna for playing the demo and it said my garage was full and I had to remove cars to receive them, what's up with that?
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#41 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2018 12:12:59 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: X1 Two Go to Quoted Post
That's the worst part, there will be 560 to 570 cars in the game after expansions and car pass and free additions - and you can't even have all of them at the same time.


I'm sure as these expansions, car passes, and additional cars come out that they will increase the garage limit. They did this with FH3 as they added car passes and Expansions.

Though I still think the garage should be a little bigger, but the tuning and design limit should match the cars at least.


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#42 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2018 1:28:08 PM(UTC)
Low limits are annoying, thats true - but it seems that one point is missing in this thread. You feel that there is no sense in limits because server space is cheap? What about the size on your xbox? The maximum size of your savegame is limited by general design of XBox - so developers have to handle with it. Don´t know exactly, but I think it is about 300MB or so. Sure, some data could be saved in the cloud (Leaderboards for example), but designs, blueprints, decals, tunes, cars, photos, progress etc. have to be in your personal savegame (otherwise you can´t play offline or would lose data if you have connection issues.

So ist absolut logical to have limits! They are needed.


By the way….. If you make changes to your design, you can apply to car without saving it. So if the car limit is 550 and the design limit 300 - the developers have to keep space for 850 (550 + 300) different designs. Same with tunes.
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#43 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2018 2:30:03 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: A of Guilty Go to Quoted Post
Low limits are annoying, thats true - but it seems that one point is missing in this thread. You feel that there is no sense in limits because server space is cheap? What about the size on your xbox? The maximum size of your savegame is limited by general design of XBox - so developers have to handle with it. Don´t know exactly, but I think it is about 300MB or so. Sure, some data could be saved in the cloud (Leaderboards for example), but designs, blueprints, decals, tunes, cars, photos, progress etc. have to be in your personal savegame (otherwise you can´t play offline or would lose data if you have connection issues.

So ist absolut logical to have limits! They are needed.


By the way….. If you make changes to your design, you can apply to car without saving it. So if the car limit is 550 and the design limit 300 - the developers have to keep space for 850 (550 + 300) different designs. Same with tunes.


Once again, I've written console applications. I have experience with these problems. Local space can be used as a cache rather that store ALL your data. Locally connected storage is 256 MB. However, the geometry for the cars you own isn't stored in your personal connected storage. That's why you download DLC packs with the geometry for the car. So storing the ID for the car you own shouldn't take much space because the geometry for those cars is in the DLC based on the ID.

Also, from personal experience I know that choices about how you format the data has a big impact. For example, IKEA ships furniture that isn't assembled to save money at the plant, however, they pack it tightly to save the cost of shipping.

Think of the way electronic bits are stored, Choices with how you pack the data has a big impact on the storage requirements. Friends of my have or still work for Microsoft or EA on console games and we are constantly laughing and sharing stories about badly designed data structures created in the rush to get the game out the door. My gut tells me they probably haven't put enough thought into how they are storing the data.
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#44 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2018 7:44:34 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: King Cobra Mi6 Go to Quoted Post



If I cannot collect (and Repaint!) *All* of the Games Available Cars, I will Personally consider Myself as not being able to Get what I Personally Perceive as "My Moneys Worth" out of the Game , as I am Entirely Reliant on Single Player, meaning I get the 2 or so Years worth of Game Lifespan out of Collecting (and, if necessary, Repainting.. Look, I don't want that 370Z I got in a Wheelspin in White, I want it in Blue, but that takes up *another* Paint Slot for Some Reason, despite it being a Manufacturer Paint Option!) all of the Games available Cars, meaning I will have, in My Own Personal Opinion, Basically thrown £80 down a Drain as I wont be able to do that!



Well you can tune and paint all of those 550 cars that have in garage, for tunes that is really easy, paints take bit more work when you have to put car on sell to auction house and then remove saved design and then reclaim car when it's not sell (or if it's not sell, i try today do that with bmw m4, i give up after 8th try because everytime somebody buy that oh well at least i make almost 1m cr profit). design and tune limit mostly harms tuners and painters. I have to myself everytime now when i tune car to make choise witch one i will unshare. Design and tune limit should be at least amount that there is cars. fm3 have 550 garage limit and 8 years later in fh4 have still say limit i dont undestand how they havent improve that at all in that time.
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#45 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:31:17 PM(UTC)
Well you guys have it made .... I only get 30 saves on photos..... Every other forza it has been at least 100 .... Now I am limited to 30 photo saves !!!! This is the real injustice!!!
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#46 Posted : Wednesday, October 17, 2018 9:47:59 PM(UTC)
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I would even pay 10 € only to have NO LIMIT TO ANYTHING!

Ridiculous enough that even a VIP Member has these boundaries.. i even would pay a small amount..
Come on man, let me be the collector want to be.

At least you should be able to have every car with a tuning and a design if you want to!

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#47 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2018 9:19:34 AM(UTC)
It seems like the latest update didn't increase any of these limits. Sigh.

Maybe in the next one
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#48 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2018 9:20:45 AM(UTC)
So as you may or may not know Forza Horizon 4 has a garage car cap and that is 550 cars which is a lot but seeing as we currently have 514 cars in the game and that's without counting the 3 new seasonal/forzathon shop cars and the 8 extra car pass cars, the car list is growing and by the time we hit the end of January we will surpass 550 cars which will be a problem for those that want to collect every car in the game.
When you reach the car cap you cannot open wheelspins or buy any new cars or bid/buyout any cars from the auction house until you sell atleast 1 car from your garage which to us collectors does not make us very happy as we don't like getting rid of our cars (and I'm not talking about duplicates) so what I'm suggesting is raising the car cap to atleast 650 like that its safe to say we can collect atleast 1 of each car in the game, I always think that the car cap should be same value or higher than the number of cars in the game, that should be default in every Forza game imo, Forza Motorsport 4 had this problem where the car cap was 550 and there were 676 cars in the game, thats 126 cars that you can't access because of a car cap. Forza Motorsport 7's car cap is 900 cars so they somewhat solved that issue.

Point is raise the car cap please.

Edit: Great my post was merged lol

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#49 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2018 1:30:40 PM(UTC)
I also hope this is Sorted out XboxGamer969.

Its not good that the Game only has 550 Slots, especially when 900 Slots were Confirmed in a Live Stream. That 900 Cap confirmation from JOHNK1969 in that Forza Monthly Stream a few Months back is one of the things that made Me buy the Game in the First Place! , so I am very annoyed Indeed about the limit still being 550.

I feel very Let down indeed, Especially as the only way I can get what I personally Perceive to be My £80 worth out of the Game is to collect *all* of its Available Cars. I really do not want to have to feel I have thrown £80 away due to the Garage Cap being Smaller than the Car List! as £80 is *Not* Easy for Me to come By!

However, this Game is a "Live Service" , and is Subject to Change, so there is still some hope on the...shall we say...Horizon ;-P

Hopefully a slot increase is coming Soon, as I noticed that, after the recent Super Patch, the Garage Screen is loading thumbnails considerably faster and is loading incorrect Thumbnails far less frequently as well, so, with any luck, IF the 550 Cap was put in due to the Garage struggling to load the correct thumbnails (which is a Possibility IMO) , it will soon be Removed and the Limit will be made Larger.

A lot of People have said however that FH3 had a much lower limit at launch and was put up to 550 over several Patches, so hopefully FH4's 900 Cap will have the Same System. also, I seem to remember reading somewhere that FM7 didn't get its 900 Car Cap until after a couple of Patches had come out. So...Fingers Crossed!

With Any Luck, maybe RETROKRISTAL or JOHNK1969 can come In here at some point soon and tell us what is going on with the Garage Caps and when we can expect that Raise to the Promised 900 Car Cap.

Edited by user Thursday, October 25, 2018 1:33:05 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Making the Post Politer.

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#50 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2018 6:27:03 PM(UTC)
550 garage limit makes no sense. What's the point of collecting all these cars when we have limited space to collect them?
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