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#1 Posted : Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:33:24 PM(UTC)
Note: This was originally written for previous titles, but as people have been finding it quite useful I figured I'd share it once again for Forza Horizon 4.





Hello everyone.

Today I'd like to share with you all my workflow for (re)creating logos in Forza games. This is a method that a few veteran players may already know of but for those that don't here's a short guide.



What you'll need:

  • A Windows 10 PC and the Xbox app.
  • An application called Glass2K.
  • An Xbox One and your Forza game of choice.*


* If you're playing the game directly from Windows 10 this guide may change. I predominantly play on Xbox One so I'll be writing from that perspective. My screenshots are from Forza Horizon 3 but the editor is the same in Forza Horizon 4 so these tips will still apply.



What is Glass2K and why do I need it?

  • Glass2K is a small application that allows you to change the transparency of your windows on any Windows PC.
  • We will be using this to create an overlapping screen so that we can work directly on top of a reference image.




Step 1: Prepare your reference image.

  • Choose a logo to replicate. For this guide I am using a retro Tic-Tac logo that I had already saved for another project.
  • There are many places to find images of logos that you want to replicate. Google is the obvious choice but you can also look up logo repositories like Brands of the World.
  • You will want an image that is reasonably high resolution, ideally around 700px tall at the very least. This will allow your Forza version to be more accurate when it comes to the smaller details.
  • Once you have your image ready, save it to the Desktop and open it.






Step 2: Prepare your in-game editor.

  • On your Forza game, go to where you create a new Vinyl Group. In Forza Horizon 3 the menu path is [Autoshow] >[Garage] > [Designs and Paints] > [Create Vinyl Group].
  • Press {RS} until you have a dark background with no gridlines.
  • On your PC, start up Glass2K if you haven't already.
  • On your PC go to your Xbox app and {Right Click} anywhere on the screen.
  • You should now see a box with a list of percentages. Choose somewhere between 50% and 80%, this will make your Xbox app window transparent, allowing you to see the logo from [Step 1] behind it (See first image below).
  • Still on the Xbox app, select [Game Streaming] and stream your Xbox One to your PC. Be sure to select the highest quality setting if you haven't already.
  • If your screen now looks like the second image below, you're ready to make your logo.








Step 3: Create your logo in-game.

  • There are no shortcuts for this, you'll need to use the various in-game Vinyl Shapes to make your logo. Every Forza painter has a different set of core shapes that they use to make everything, and you'll find your preferences the more you work with the tool.
  • During this step you should only use whites, blacks and grays for the various elements of the logo. We're focusing on shapes right now and not colour.
  • Using your reference image, try and get your ingame version as close to the real logo as possible. This will take varying amounts of time depending on the complexity of the logo and the experience of the painter. For reference, I've been a Forza painter for about 6 years, and a logo like this would take me about an hour to complete.
  • Once you've gotten the logo to a level of accuracy you're happy with, you can stop streaming from your PC and send your screen back to your Xbox One.






Step 4: Apply accurate colours.

  • Go to this website.
  • Upload your reference image from [Step 1] (note: I recommend an image no taller than 800px).
  • Use the Eyedropper tool to pull various colour values from the image.
  • Back in Forza, select a group of layers that you wish to colour.
  • Open the colour picker and press {X} to open [Colour Fine Tune].
  • Input the values you obtained from the website.
  • Repeat the process for every colour in your logo.






And there you have it, a simple method to guarantee you have the most accurate in-game versions of real-life logos possible.

Edited by user Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:32:18 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2 Posted : Saturday, September 29, 2018 2:35:18 PM(UTC)
Some questions that came up previously:

Originally Posted by: PJTierney Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Barrybarfly Go to Quoted Post
Question for you sir....Can this be done on any old PC, like say an old laptop thats trying to die? Or does it need to be powerful enough to run games? Because I'll give you 3 guesses which one I (might) have access to.....

The short answer is that it can be done on any device whose Xbox app allows you to stream your console gameplay without any stuttering.

For reference my home Desktop is an Acer I bought off the shelf of an Argos in 2010; hasn't been upgraded, hasn't died on me yet, and it does the job just fine.

I'll never be able to play a decent game on this (it struggles to run Photoshop when I work on big files) but I have an Xbox for that anyway ;)

Originally Posted by: Makk Loud Go to Quoted Post
This is great, PJ! It took a little while to get everything set up (I've never streamed to my PC/laptop before). But once I did, I was able to knock out a logo in about 30 minutes. Just need to clean it up a little bit back on the console and it'll be good to go


That's the best way to go about it. Normally my logos are fine but having a bigger screen to touch them up on can help sometimes.


Originally Posted by: PJTierney Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DRUNKinMUNKY Go to Quoted Post
Do you know if this is possible with a mac computer?


The tricky and important part is how to stream footage from your Xbox to your computer with minimal input lag in between. Windows 10 has native support for this via the Xbox app but I don't know what options there are for Mac.


Originally Posted by: PJTierney Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: gresnik Go to Quoted Post
Tried the ForzaColour webpage to try to get more accurate colours on this BMW "MPower" logo that I'm re-creating.

Loaded up the image in both Microsoft Edge and Internet Explorer and can't get the eyedropper to function.

The image is loading correctly, just can't pick the colours on the image. The default in the box on the bottom of the screen is black... clicking anywhere on the image or rest of the screen does nothing to change that. Any suggestions?


How big is the image you're uploading? If the vertical dimension is too high the eyedropper won't align properly, preventing you from selecting accurate colours.



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#3 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2018 7:56:16 AM(UTC)
What a great guide.

Thanks for this, and even though I have been a Forza player for years I didn't know about this.

Would the app work if it was placed over the top of the game if someone could play FH4 on their machine, or is it only able via streaming?

Edited by user Sunday, September 30, 2018 8:11:18 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#4 Posted : Sunday, September 30, 2018 8:19:14 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: ClownPrinceUK Go to Quoted Post
What a great guide.

Thanks for this, and even though I have been a Forza player for years I didn't know about this.

Would the app work if it was placed over the top of the game if someone could play FH4 on their machine, or is it only able via streaming?


If you can make the game window transparent, it should work; no streaming required.

Update: Glass2K can made Forza Horizon 4 transparent if you assign keyboard shortcuts to opacity values. I have tried it myself a few times and can confirm.

Edited by user Thursday, October 11, 2018 1:58:19 AM(UTC)  | Reason: .

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#5 Posted : Thursday, October 11, 2018 1:57:27 AM(UTC)
For those that want to try a slightly different method using a different application, here's an excellent guide:

https://forums.forzamoto...-editor.aspx#post_981296
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#6 Posted : Saturday, October 13, 2018 2:37:09 PM(UTC)
dude this is a nice tip thank you
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#7 Posted : Sunday, October 14, 2018 4:04:10 PM(UTC)
(Via my reply on the other thread, same info. :) )

Another great alternative, and one I use a LOT for reference images and stuff, is a program called PureRef. Tons of options (opacity, hotkeys, multiple images with ability to align and resize automatically, sort, etc.) I use it quite often for my 3D modeling references, but you can absolutely use it for stuff like this. I have my opacity level adjustments set to Ctrl + and Ctrl - , and it works perfectly. You can lock the window, change it to grayscale, change opacity, etc. etc. etc. Tons of great options, lightweight, and very sleek look (no borders, etc.)

https://www.pureref.com/ if you wanna check it out! :)
Check out my Forza Horizon 3 Gallery here!
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 11:20:15 AM(UTC)
Wow, I have never seen anything like that.... I made dozens of designs and eye-balling it makes things really hard and not nearly as accurate. Thanks soooo much for the info!!!

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 16, 2018 11:24:09 AM(UTC)
Wow, I have never seen anything like that.... I made dozens of designs and eye-balling it makes things really hard and not nearly as accurate. Thanks soooo much for the info!!!

CodyJ

EDIT: Sorry for Double Post. I think it timed me out and posted as guest. Anyhow thanks for an awesome tutorial.
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#10 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2018 2:37:00 PM(UTC)
Anyway to turn glass2k off and on? The site looks like it's no longer being updated. Awesome tool but gets annoying have that menu pop up every time I right click when I'm not working on a logo.
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#11 Posted : Monday, October 22, 2018 11:58:20 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: NEOLINK Go to Quoted Post
Anyway to turn glass2k off and on? The site looks like it's no longer being updated. Awesome tool but gets annoying have that menu pop up every time I right click when I'm not working on a logo.


In the taskbar you’ll find the program’s icon. Right click it there and select Exit.
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#12 Posted : Sunday, December 9, 2018 9:44:17 AM(UTC)
I think we should add SketchDesigner (forum discussion at https://forums.forzamotorsport.net/turn10_postst140888_Sketch-Designer-Tool.aspx) to this list of tracers. Really nice to use and with a colour picker built right in.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 15, 2019 8:16:51 AM(UTC)
Thanks for posting this guide. From someone with little artistic skills and not much experience I was able to use this to create a simple logo and most importantly learn a little bit about the tools and how layers work. Well written and easy to follow.
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#14 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2019 1:24:06 PM(UTC)
It only took me a year, but I finally got around to using this tip and started working on some logos. For computer hardware, of course.
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#15 Posted : Sunday, October 6, 2019 1:25:08 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Guest Go to Quoted Post
It only took me a year, but I finally got around to using this tip and started working on some logos. For computer hardware, of course.


Oops, apparently I was not logged in. :D
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