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I can understand that just showing a small portion of the overall requests looks biased toward modern cars. In fact, the model year distribution in wishlists closely matches that in FH4, which I think is far more diverse than any car game around. The game and lists typically break around 50% made after 2004 and 50% before. And consider that a user's list of even 500 cars would still cover less than 10% of all car models mentioned. And there are plenty of cars out there that haven't been mentioned in wishlists (<-this is not a challenge! Post what you like, but don't post the encyclopedia.)

Top requested cars made prior to the early the 1970s that would be new to Forza:

new 44 Jensen Interceptor 1967-1976
new 33 Chevrolet C/K Gen2 (Silverado) 1967-1972
new 18 Chevrolet Impala 1965-1970
new 17 Lotus Europa 1966-1975
new 16 Lamborghini Espada 1968-1978
new 15 De Tomaso Mangusta 1967-1971
new 14 Citroen DS 1955-1975
new 14 Lamborghini 350 GT 1964-1966
new 13 Duesenberg Model J SJ LaGrande Dual-Cowl Phaeton 1928-1937
new 13 Ferrari 275 (GTB, GTB/4) 1964-1968
new 13 Renault 8 R8 Gordini 1964-1970
new 12 Chevrolet Camaro Gen1.1 (Z28/SS) 1967-1968
new 12 Oldsmobile Toronado 1966-1970
new 11 Dodge Charger Gen1 1966-1967
new 11 Ford Model T 1908-1927
new 11 Mercedes 600 (W100) Pullman 1963-1967
new 11 Mercedes 540K 1935-1940
new 10 Bugatti Type 57 Atlantic 1938-1938
new 10 Bugatti Type 57 1935-1935
new 10 Cadillac Eldorado Gen3 (Brougham) Sedan 1957-1960
new 10 Ford Galaxie 1965-1968
new 10 Iso Grifo 1963-1974
new 10 Jaguar # XJ13 1966-1966
new 10 Marcos Mantis 1968-1968
new 9 Buick Riviera Gen1 coupe 1963-1965
new 9 Cadillac Miller-Meteor Ghostbusters 1959-1959
new 9 Chevrolet K5 Blazer 1969-1972
new 9 Dodge Super Bee 1968-1971
new 9 Lotus Europa Special 1969-1972
new 9 Maserati Ghibli 1967-1973
new 9 McLaren # M6GT Can-Am 1969-1969
new 9 Studebaker Avanti 1963-1963
new 9 Tucker 48 1948-1948
new 8 AMC SC/Rambler 1969-1969
new 8 BMC Mini Moke 1964-1993
new 8 Ford Torino Gen1 1968-1969
new 8 Jensen FF 1966-1971
new 8 Maserati 3500GT 1957-1964
new 8 Mercedes C111 1969-1969
new 7 AMC AMX 1968-1968
new 7 Buick Riviera Gen2 coupe 1966-1970
new 7 Chevrolet C/K Gen1 (Silverado) 1960-1966
new 7 Citroen Traction Avant 1934-1956
new 7 Cord 812 S/C Sportsman 1937-1937
new 7 Ford Galaxie 1960-1964
new 7 Ford Thunderbird Gen1 1955-1955
new 7 Jaguar XKSS 1957-1957
new 7 Mercury Cyclone Gen3 Spoiler II / Cobra Jet 1969-1969
new 7 Morgan Plus 8 1968-current
new 7 NSU Ro 80 1967-1977
new 7 Peugeot 504 1968-1983
new 7 Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow 1965-1980
new 7 Rover P6 1963-1977

Still only 1 car from my personal top 20 on that list. Though my list does include plenty of cars from 80s and 90s.

Cars in the top 20 list AND my wishlist:

new 182 Lamborghini Huracan LP640-4 Performante 2017-current
new 126 Ferrari 488 Pista 2018-current
new 105 Lamborghini Aventador LP770-4 SVJ 2019-current
new 88 Mercedes AMG Project One concept 2018-current
new 85 McLaren 600LT 2019-current
new 83 McLaren 675LT 2015-2017
new 80 Aston Martin Valkyrie 2018-current
new 77 Audi RS5 (performance) Coupe 2017-current
new 73 Aston Martin DBS Superleggera 2019-current

Edited by user Monday, May 13, 2019 6:40:37 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I'm glad they don't choose cars solely off the wishlists threads because there are a ton of amazing vehicles we otherwise wouldn't have in Forza. Also the fact that sometimes a cool car is released and everyone on the forums says they want it when a better version is on the way. IMO the 488 Pista and the new 850i are really cool cars but the F8 Tributo is already here and the M8 right around the corner, much better to just wait for those instead. Again just my opinion.

Are you sure people want 2012 Model S and not the 2016 restyled version?

Interesting list (and the favorite cars kind of boring - almost only S1/S2 stuff which I think we had already enough). I didn't take part of the car wish list thread, so I cannot really judge anyone, but I would prefer some cars which complete some classes of already in game cars.

For example the Meyers Manx could get some competitor by the Mini Moke or the Citroen Mehari. The Willy's Jeep by the Volkswagen 181 or the DKW Mungo. The Ford Transit and Volkswagen Type 2 with the Opel/Vauxhall Bedford Blitz or the Citroen Type H.

There are also so many great manufactors out there, which are already in the game but quite underrepresented I think - Fiat, Lancia, Maserati, Citroen, Peugeot, Renault. Not to mention the many car manufactorers who went insolvent through the sixties like Borgward, Panhard and all the others.

Sorry for OT...

Respectfully, if Toyota is currently unwilling to agree to a licensing agreement for the inclusion of their product lines into the Horizon series, why are they included in these player request lists? Seeing the number of Toyota requests for X, Y, and Z and their respective ranking does anyone little good if there's close to zero chance of Toyota returning. There are approximately 7 Toyota request lines in the list above; it seems to me that omitting Toyota all together and disclosing the next seven on the list that actually have a shot to join Horizon, whatever they may be, would be of greater good and more useful than including items that won't be anything more than list filler, at least for the foreseeable future.

At any rate, seeing this data is very interesting and greatly appreciated! 👌🏻

If I didn't include the requests for Toyota then the community wouldn't be able to see where those requests fall relative to the others. In the past, manufacturers that weren't in the game at launch have shown up later, and since nobody actually knows the corporate reasoning or negotiations going on, I don't think it's clear enough to say 'we won't get this so don't ask for it.' I'm counting pretty much everything including requests for tanks and lunar rovers.

Okay. I was under the impression that Toyota was *not* happening, by choice, and potentially for future installments of the franchise, thus rendering players seeing how those requests stacked up as moot and a waste of your time. But if there’s still a chance for an agreement, great. I’d really like my Celica back! (But not before my Pacer X 😰)

Edited by user Saturday, June 22, 2019 7:18:10 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I want the Audi Q7, the Chevrolet Silverado 2500, the de tomaso pantera, the rtr ford raptor, and a West Coast Customs car pack, or at least the cars

August 2019 stats update

It's been three months since the last revision so it's time for an update to the most requested cars in the FH4 Car Wishlists thread. These numbers are current as of post #3300 (August 17th). Since the last info update in May the thread has grown by 700 posts and 6,600 requests, an average of just under 10 cars per post.

The game roster has grown by 16 cars through Series Updates 10-12 for a total of 70 free cars added since launch, and a roster of 641 cars including Pre-Order DLC and Forza Edition models.

At the time the Aston Martin DBS Superleggera was added in Series 12 it was in the top 20 of the most requested cars, appearing in 86 user lists since the thread first began. Here are the other recent additions ordered by frequency of requests:

86 Aston Martin DBS Superleggera 2019-current
55 Mercedes G-Class G63 AMG 6x6 2013-2015
54 Rimac C_Two 2019-current
40 Koenigsegg CCX 2006-2006
33 Buick Gran Sport GSX coupe 1968-1973
32 McLaren 12C 2011-2014
30 Ford Ranger Raptor (RHD) 2019-current
22 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia Type 14 1967-1970
19 Aston Martin Vanquish Zagato 2017-2018
16 AMC Rebel "The Machine" 1970-1970
10 Maserati Ghibli S 2014-current
6 Fiat Dino 2400 1969-1973
5 Volkswagen Type 3 1600 L (Notchback) 1967-1967
1 Mercedes E-Class (W213) All-Terrain Estate 2017-current
- 2013 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited Deberti Design (The Fast & Furious Edition from FH2 appears in 9 lists)
- 2018 Top Gear Track-tor

With those models crossed off, the new Top 100 most requested models appear in 34 or more user lists (which actually breaks at 103 cars). Interest in the Huracan Performante remains steady, appearing in 7% of user lists. 63 of the 103 listed below would be new to the Forza franchise, 59 are from European manufacturers, and 50 are current models. To the left of each model you'll see either "new" (to Forza) or its most recent game appearance.

new 231 Lamborghini Huracan Performante 2017-current
new 169 Ferrari 488 Pista 2018-current
new 147 Bugatti Divo 2019-current
new 137 Lamborghini Aventador SVJ 2019-current
FM4 134 DeLorean DMC-12 1982-1983
new 116 BMW 8-Series M850i / M8 Competition coupe 2018-current
new 111 McLaren 600LT 2019-current
new 110 Mercedes AMG Project One concept 2018-current
FM6 108 Mercedes SLR McLaren 2005-2005
new 108 Toyota GR Supra A90 MkV 2019-current
new 107 McLaren 675LT 2015-2017
new 101 Aston Martin Valkyrie (AM-RB 001) 2018-current
FH3 101 Toyota Supra A80 MkIV RZ 1998-1998
FH3 100 Tesla Model S 2012-current
new 98 Audi RS5 (performance) Coupe 2017-current
new 98 Tesla Model X 2015-current
FM4 97 Honda Civic Gen5 (EG/EH) 1.5 VTi / Si 3dr 1992-1995
FM4 92 De Tomaso Pantera 1971-1980
new 81 Alpine A110 2017-current
new 80 Koenigsegg Jesko 2019-current
new 79 Mercedes E-Class (W213) AMG E63 / E63S sedan 2017-current
new 74 Tesla Roadster 2020-current
new 73 Audi RS3 (performance) sedan 2017-current
FM7 73 McLaren P1 GTR 2015-2015
FH1 73 Gumpert Apollo S 2010-2010
FH1 69 Peugeot 206 RC (GTi180) 3dr 1998-2012
new 65 Hennessey Venom F5 2019-current
FH3 63 Lexus LFA 2010-2010
new 61 BMW 3-Series M3 (Competition) / CS / M340i sedan 2015-current
FM7 61 BMW 8-Series 850CSi / 840Ci 1989-1999
FM7 61 Chevrolet Camaro Gen4.2 (35th Anniversary) 1998-2002
FM4 61 Dodge Ram SRT-10 Sport Truck 2004-2006
new 60 Mercedes AMG G-Class (W463) G63 2018-current
FM7 60 Volvo XC90 2014-current
FH1 59 Koenigsegg CCXR Edition 2009-2009
new 59 McLaren Speedtail (BP23) 2019-current
new 59 Peugeot 106 Rallye 1991-2003
new 59 Shelby GT500 Fastback (Eleanor) 1967-1967
new 58 Ferrari Portofino 2018-current
new 56 Citroen Saxo 1996-2003
new 56 Ford Mustang Gen6 Shelby GT500 2019-current
FH3 56 GMC Syclone 1991-1991
new 55 Lamborghini Huracan Evo 2019-current
new 54 Rimac Concept One 2016-2016
FM7 53 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 1998-2002
new 52 Plymouth Road Runner 1968-1970
new 51 Ferrari F8 Tributo 2019-current
FM4 51 Volkswagen Golf Mk5 GTi / R32 3dr 2003-2010
new 51 W Motors Fenyr SuperSport 2016-2016
FM4 50 Honda CR-X Del Sol SiR 1992-1998
new 50 Jensen Interceptor 1967-1976
new 50 Renault Megane IV (RS, Trophy) 5dr 2016-current
FH1 50 SSC Ultimate Aero 2010-2013
new 49 Audi TT RS (performance) Coupe 2016-current
new 49 Ford SVT Mustang Gen4 Cobra Terminator 2003-2004
new 49 Mercedes S-Class (W222) 63/65/500 sedan 2013-current
new 49 Nissan GT-R NISMO 2014-current
FM7 49 Renault Clio II Sport Clio V6 3dr 1999-2004
new 48 Lamborghini Terzo Millennio concept 2019-2019
new 48 Tesla Model 3 2017-current
new 47 BMW 7-Series 750Li/M760Li 2016-current
FM4 47 Honda Civic Gen6 (EM1) Si Coupe 1999-2000
FM7 47 Rolls-Royce Wraith hardtop Coupe 2013-current
new 47 SEAT Leon Gen3.2 Cupra/R 2018-current
FH3 46 "Toyotas"
new 45 Jaguar XE SV Project 8 2018-current
FH3 44 Toyota Sprinter Trueno AE86 GT Apex 1985-1987
FH3 44 Toyota Supra A70 MkIII 2.0 GT Twin Turbo [RHD / GA70] 1986-1993
FM7 43 Chevrolet Camaro Gen3.2 IROC-Z 1990-1992
FM4 43 GMC Typhoon 1992-1993
new 43 Lexus LC coupe 2018-current
new 43 Nissan Pulsar N14 GTI-R 1990-1995
FM4 43 Pontiac GTO (LS2) 2005-2006
FM4 41 Ford Mustang GT 2005-2009
new 41 Rolls-Royce Phantom VIII 2018-current
new 40 Ford Fiesta Mk8 ST 2017-current
new 40 Ford GT90 concept 1995-1995
new 40 Jaguar F-Type SVR Coupe 2016-current
new 40 Volkswagen Golf Mk7.5 (GTi / GTD / GTE / R / Clubsport) 5dr 2017-current
FM2 39 Chrysler ME Four-Twelve concept 2005-2005
new 39 Ford Focus Mk4 ST 5dr hatch 2018-current
new 39 Ford Mondeo MkIII ST220 2000-2007
new 39 Rolls-Royce Cullinan 2019-current
new 38 Bentley Continental GT 2018-current
new 37 Chevrolet C/K Gen2 (Silverado) 1967-1972
FM7 37 Mazda RX-3 Grand Familia 1973-1978
new 37 NIO EP9 2016-current
new 37 Peugeot 306 GTi-6 3dr 1993-2002
FM7 37 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 1967-1969
FM4 36 Fiat Coupe 1993-2000
new 36 Ford SVT F-150 Lightning 1993-1995
new 36 Peugeot 308 5dr 2013-current
FM7 36 Rolls-Royce Dawn 2016-current
FM4 36 Pagani Zonda C12 1999-1999
FM4 35 Citroen C4 VTS 3dr 2004-2010
FM4 35 Alfa Romeo Brera (Italia Independent) 2005-2010
FM4 35 SEAT Leon Cupra 1998-2005
new 35 Zenvo TSR-S 2018-current
new 34 Audi RS4 Avant 2018-current
new 34 BMW 2-Series (M2 (Competition) Coupe 2019-current
new 34 Hyundai i30 (N, Option) 5dr 2018-current
FM4 34 Mercedes SLR McLaren Stirling Moss 2009-2009
new 34 SSC Tuatara 2016-current


I currently count over 3,400 models or general body types that have been requested by two or more users. To recap, my method is to define a model by its generation/facelift, body type, and performance level (base/performance/track-oriented/offroad/race spec/custom); I generally group requests for different drivetrains and powerplant options within the same model name when those variations don't significantly change the nature of the car. For instance, if one user were to request the Mercedes-Benz X200 (petrol) and another user were to request the X250d (the diesel model in the game) I would count that as two user requests for the "2018-current X-Class" instead of 1 request each for different models. This helps prevent the stats being skewed by single users who request every option version of the same car, or endless models with only one request each.

If you see any designations that are incorrect or don't make sense please point them out. In some cases it's a bit out of my hands; most users requesting the Tesla models don't include a model year, which is why I group them as "2012-current" despite the more recent facelift.

A final reminder: this is only an analysis of user requests and is in no way an indication of likely future additions to the game. As has been detailed in the past and in recent Playground Games livestreams, user wish lists are not the only factor in determining which licensed content is ultimately added to the game.

Edited by user Thursday, August 22, 2019 12:33:50 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

[Mod Edit - since we already have a thread for wishing I'd like to keep this one clear of specific wish lists. Please use the Wish List thread pinned at the top of the forum, and quote your previous post to help monitor for duplicates. - MM]

Edited by user Wednesday, September 11, 2019 9:18:50 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

November 2019 stats update

It's been three months since the last revision so it's time for another update to the most requested cars in the FH4 Car Wishlists thread.

To recap what I'm doing, this ongoing tally is one method of building a coherent sense of the community's interests and to mark the cars that have been added to the game. Remember that the forums are one portion of Forza's global community, and that wishlists are just one factor of many that determine which cars come into the game. To get these numbers I only count requests from the pinned thread in this forum (not from individual posts or Twitter etc); I'm trying to be careful about not counting duplicate requests; and I typically group models by generation/body/performance to avoid getting lost among similar trim levels.

These numbers are current as of post #4025 (November 17th) and the cars announced with the Series 16 content update. Since the last info update in August (post #3300) the wishlist thread has grown by 725 posts with 7,900 requests, an average of just under 11 cars per post. That average continues to reflect the 10-12 cars requested per user over the last year; some users request just one car while other lists run into the dozens or hundreds.

The game roster has grown by 18 cars from Series Updates 13-16. Some of these cars have been the most requested in the thread, including the McLaren 600LT Coupe (among the top 10 as of August), the Bugatti Divo (3rd most requested in August, now #7), and with Series 16, the Ferrari 488 Pista, which became the 2nd most requested car earlier this year.



SERIES 13-16 CAR ADDITIONS

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Below is a list of the cars recently added to the game with the number of users who requested them through November.
215 Ferrari 488 Pista 2018-current
170 Bugatti Divo 2019-current
116 McLaren 600LT Coupe 2018-current
29 Lamborghini Diablo GTR 1999-1999
26 BMW 3-Series (E92) M3 GTS 2010-2010
24 Porsche 718 Cayman GTS 2018-current
16 Koenigsegg CCGT 2008-2008
15 McLaren 720S Spider 2019-current
14 Italdesign Zerouno 2017-current
12 Rossion Q1 2010-current
8 Volkswagen #94 Volkswagen Motorsport I.D R Pikes Peak
7 Porsche 906 Carrera 6 1966-1966
5 Ferrari 512 S 1970-1971
3 Porsche 917 LH 1970-1970
2 Porsche Macan Turbo 2019-current
2 ATS GT 2018-current
- Ford F-150 Prerunner Deberti Design Truck 2018
- Porsche #46 356 SL Gmund Coupe 1951


Another important reminder is to recognize how diverse the community is, reflected by the overall requests. I count nearly 7,000 different models or types of cars mentioned at least once the thread, of which 4,250 were requested by two or more users.


TOYOTA IS BACK

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With the Series 16 announcement also came the news that Toyota cars are returning to Forza starting with Series 17. At the time of this posting we only know about the Supra '98 coming in December. Here are the community's most requested Toyotas, noted by whether they'd be new to the franchise or were previously in another Forza game:
new 133 Toyota GR Supra A90 MkV 2019-current
FH3 112 Toyota Supra A80 MkIV RZ 1998-1998
FH3 78 Lexus LFA 2010-2010
new 51 Lexus LC coupe 2018-current
new 53 "Toyotas"
FH3 50 Toyota Supra A70 MkIII 2.0 GT Twin Turbo [RHD / GA70] 1986-1993
FH3 48 Toyota Sprinter Trueno AE86 GT Apex 1985-1987
FH3 37 Toyota GT86 2012-current
new 35 Toyota Chaser X100 (Tourer) 1996-2001
new 30 Lexus RC facelift F / Track Edition 2018-current
FM4 30 Lexus IS XE10 300 2003-2005
FH3 29 Toyota Celica GT-Four ST205 1994-1999
new 28 Toyota Camry (XSE) 2017-current
FM6 26 Toyota MR2 GT 1989-1999
new 25 Toyota Celica Gen7 (T230) 1999-2006
FM6 23 Toyota 2000GT 1967-1970
FM4 20 Toyota Celica A60 MkII Supra 1984-1986
FH3 19 Lexus RC F 2014-2018
FH3 18 Lexus IS XE20 F 2008-2010
FH3 18 Lexus GS F 2011-2014
new 17 Toyota Supra A80 MkIV 1993-1997
new 16 Lexus GS F 2015-current
FH1 16 Toyota FJ Cruiser 2006-2016
new 16 Toyota Corolla E86 Levin AE86 Coupe 1983-1987
new 15 Toyota Tundra 2014-current
new 15 Toyota Land Cruiser J200 2015-current
new 15 Lexus LS XF50 2018-current
new 15 Lexus IS XE30 350 F Sport 2017-current
new 14 Toyota Tacoma (TRD) 2015-current
FH3 14 Toyota Celica GT-Four RC ST185 / Group A Rallye 1992-1992
FH3 13 Toyota Celica Gen1 (A20) GT 1974-1974
FH1 13 Lexus LFA Nurburgring Edition 2012-2012
new 12 "Lexus"
FM6 11 Scion tC 2011-2013
new 11 Toyota TRD 4Runner 2015-current
new 11 Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro / Off Road / Baja 2016-current
new 11 Toyota Prius (XLE, Prime Advanced) 2019-current
FH3 11 Lexus SC 1991-2000
new 11 Lexus RX 2016-current
FM4 11 Lexus IS XE20 350 2005-2008
FM4 10 Lexus SC 2001-2005
new 10 Toyota Yaris 2017-current
FM6 10 Toyota Supra RZ F&F F1 1995-1995
new 10 Toyota Corolla E210 (XSE) hatch 2018-current
FH3 10 Toyota Corolla E20 SR5 Coupe 1974-1974
FM4 10 Toyota Altezza RS200 2004-2005



THE NEW TOP 100

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With the recent game additions checked off, the new Top 100 most requested models appear in 43 or more user lists (August's 34-or-more list now reaches 172 models). 63% of the top models would be new to the Forza franchise. The Huracan Performante continues to be the most requested car, appearing in 7% of user lists. And its big brother, the Aventador SVJ, also appears near the top. Be sure to tune in to the Forza Racing Championship 2019 Invitational Series Finals this weekend as Lamborghini is the featured partner and the Huracan EVO will be part of the livestream.^

new 298 Lamborghini Huracan LP640-4 Performante 2017-current
new 184 Lamborghini Aventador LP770-4 SVJ (63) 2019-current
FM4 172 DeLorean DMC-12 1982-1983
new 168 BMW 8-Series (G92/F92) M850i / M8 (Competition) 2018-current
FM6 139 Mercedes SLR McLaren 2005-2005
new 133 Toyota GR Supra A90 MkV 2019-current
FH3 132 Tesla Model S 2012-current
new 129 Mercedes AMG Project One concept 2018-current
new 126 Aston Martin Valkyrie (AM-RB 001) 2018-current
new 121 McLaren 675LT 2015-2017
new 118 Audi RS5 (performance) Coupe 2017-current
new 116 Tesla Model X 2015-current
FM4 115 Honda Civic Gen5 (EG/EH) 1.5 VTi / Si 3dr 1992-1995
FM4 114 De Tomaso Pantera (L/GTS) 1971-1980
FH3 112 Toyota Supra A80 MkIV RZ 1998-1998
new 110 Koenigsegg Jesko 2019-current
new 105 Alpine A110 2017-current
new 96 Mercedes E-Class (W213) AMG E63 / E63S sedan 2017-current
FH1 92 Gumpert Apollo S 2010-2010
new 92 Audi RS3 (performance) sedan 2017-current
new 91 Tesla Roadster 2020-current
FM7 90 McLaren P1 GTR 2015-2015
FH1 89 Peugeot 206 RC (GTi180) 3dr 1998-2012
new 87 Ford Mustang Gen6 Shelby GT500 2019-current
new 83 Hennessey Venom F5 2019-current
FM7 80 BMW 8-Series (E31) 850CSi / 840Ci 1989-1999
FH3 78 Lexus LFA 2010-2010
FM7 77 Chevrolet Camaro Gen4.2 (35th Anniversary) 1998-2002
FM4 76 Dodge Ram SRT-10 Sport Truck 2004-2006
new 76 Chevrolet Corvette C8 targa 2020-current
new 75 BMW 3-Series (F80) M3 (Competition) / CS / M340i sedan 2015-current
new 74 McLaren Speedtail (BP23) 2019-current
FH3 74 GMC Syclone 1991-1991
new 74 Ferrari Portofino 2018-current
new 72 Lamborghini Huracan Evo 2019-current
FM7 71 Volvo XC90 T8 2014-current
new 71 Peugeot 106 Rallye 1991-2003
new 71 Ferrari F8 Tributo 2019-current
FM7 68 Rolls-Royce Wraith hardtop Coupe 2013-current
FM7 68 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am WS6 1998-2002
FH1 68 Koenigsegg CCXR Edition 2009-2009
new 67 Tesla Model 3 2017-current
new 67 Shelby GT500 Fastback (Eleanor) 1967-1967
new 67 Mercedes AMG G-Class (W463) 63 2018-current
new 66 Renault Megane IV (RS, Trophy) 5dr 2016-current
new 66 Citroen Saxo 1996-2003
new 65 Nissan GT-R NISMO 2014-current
new 64 Plymouth Road Runner 1968-1970
FH1 61 SSC Ultimate Aero 2010-2013
new 60 W Motors Fenyr SuperSport 2016-2016
FM4 60 Volkswagen Golf Mk5 GTi / R32 3dr 2003-2010
FM7 60 Renault Clio II Sport Clio V6 3dr 1999-2004
new 60 Jensen Interceptor 1967-1976
new 59 Lamborghini Terzo Millennio concept 2019-2019
new 58 Rimac Concept One 2016-2016
FM4 58 Honda CR-X Del Sol SiR 1992-1998
new 57 Rolls-Royce Phantom VIII 2018-current
FM7 57 Chevrolet Camaro Gen3.2 IROC-Z 1990-1992
new 57 BMW 7-Series (G11) 750Li/M760Li 2016-current
new 57 Audi TT RS (performance) Coupe 2016-current
FM4 56 Honda Civic Gen6 (EM1) Si Coupe 1999-2000
new 56 Ford SVT Mustang Gen4 Cobra Terminator 2003-2004
new 55 Ford Fiesta Mk8 ST 2017-current
new 54 SEAT Leon Gen3.2 Cupra/R 2018-current
FM4 54 Ford Mustang Gen5 GT 2005-2009
new 54 Ford GT90 concept 1995-1995
new 53 TOYOTAS
new 53 Mercedes S-Class (W222) 63/65/500 sedan 2013-current
new 53 Jaguar XE SV Project 8 2018-current
FM4 52 Pagani Zonda C12 1999-1999
FM4 52 GMC Typhoon 1992-1993
new 52 Bentley Continental GT W12 2018-current
new 51 Volkswagen Golf Mk7.5 (GTi / GTD / GTE / R / Clubsport) 5dr 2017-current
new 51 Rolls-Royce Cullinan 2019-current
new 51 Lexus LC coupe 2018-current
new 51 BMW 2-Series (F87) M2 (Competition) Coupe 2019-current
FH3 50 Toyota Supra A70 MkIII 2.0 GT Twin Turbo [RHD / GA70] 1986-1993
new 50 Ferrari SF90 Stradale (Assetto Fiorano) 2020-current
new 49 Jaguar F-Type SVR Coupe 2016-current
new 49 Ford Focus Gen4 Mk4 ST 5dr hatch 2018-current
FM4 49 Citroen C4 VTS coupe 3dr 2004-2010
FH3 48 Toyota Sprinter Trueno AE86 GT Apex 1985-1987
new 48 Nissan Pulsar N14 GTI-R 1990-1995
new 48 Ford (Europe) Mondeo Gen2 Mk III ST220 2000-2007
FM7 47 Rolls-Royce Dawn 2016-current
new 47 Porsche Taycan 2020-current
FM4 46 Pontiac GTO Gen5 (LS2) 2005-2006
FM7 45 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 1967-1969
new 45 Peugeot 308 5dr 2013-current
new 45 McLaren GT 2020-current
FM7 45 Mazda RX-3 Grand Familia 1973-1978
new 45 Jeep Gladiator (Sport/Overland) 2019-current
new 45 Hyundai i30 (N, Option) 5dr 2018-current
new 45 Bugatti La Voiture Noire 2019-2019
new 44 NIO EP9 2016-current
new 43 Polestar 1 2019-current
FM4 43 Mercedes SLR McLaren Stirling Moss 2009-2009
FM2 43 Chrysler ME Four-Twelve concept 2005-2005
new 43 Audi R8 facelift 2019-current

Edited by user Friday, November 22, 2019 7:04:54 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Any significant change on the "Top requested cars made prior to the early 1970s that would be new to Forza" front, Manteo?

It seems to me the developers tend to care for older vehicles far, far more than this wishlist thread (my posts included, guilty as charged), given that out of 18 cars that they've added since Series 13, 5 predate the 21st century and 4 are from 1970 or before. Not to mention the Supra RZ and other usual suspects from Toyota which are from the 20th century too.

Another interesting observation is that we're getting cars such as Pista, Divo and 600LT, and conceivably Supra RZ and Performante in a very near future, which have been requested by 100 people or more, but every other car was requested by far far fewer people. Notice the jump between 116 requests for the 600LT and the 29 for the Diablo GTR. Even Toyota models other than the MkIV and MkV Supra haven't reached 100 requests, not even the Lexus LFA.

Excellent work as usual.

Edited by user Friday, November 22, 2019 12:02:09 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

There is a FAQ about this, but still an interesting fact, we will have an ATS GT (requested by 2) earlier than the top10 first Lamborghini, requested by 300 almost.

https://forums.forzamoto...eft-out-of-the-game.aspx

The priority is interesting, why do we have a car, what is super unknown, requested by 0 almost, instead of a car, what is more popular, have more requests, etc.

Still would be so good to know about future plans or possibilities about the upcoming cars. Something, because sometimes it feels like it's a big gamble before every stream, what will we have, will it be good, will we like it, do we want it, etc.

I don't think the devs believe that a car whit few requests is a good idea in a long term. Just makes the users more frustrated, or disappointed.

And honestly, I miss the car DLCs or packs so much. Would be so good to have them, for example brand specific packs, not for free of course. I would be happy with a Mercedes pack, with old and new cars also. Many great well known classics are missing. Timeline: 1972, 1990, 1998, and lots of new ones from the 2000's. But please, 28 years are missing from 72 to 90.

Edited by user Friday, November 22, 2019 2:39:29 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

#TorbenTuesday turns the gamble in a puzzle game. The developers here, on Twitter and on the Discord will always keep their mouth sealed because of Non-Disclosure Agreements, but occasionally, the manufacturers will say on the official Instagram or other social media account that their car is definitely coming, or coming "hopefully soon" to FH4, it happened with the Apollo and Divo months before the day they finally came. Finally, and more rarely still, information on upcoming vehicles does leak out of the developers' own hands...

The single most important paragraph of the FAQ is:



They say they need some 8 months to get a car from scanning to driving, but cars can and will come later than that. Case in point, the Performante is actually older than the Pista, but it will necessarily come later than the Ferrari.

Huracan Performante might be coming in the next update... for 1)there may be a pattern here (#3 on wishlist, Divo -> #2, Pista -> #1, Performante) 2) they recently added a mysterious LAM_HuracanP_18 to the game file(<BalancingItem Car="LAM_HuracanP_18" ID="3217" LastUpdate="2019/11/06 14:57:00" Head_EV="0" Tail_EV="3" Brake_EV="2" />). I wonder what that means...
Plus, there are much more interesting things in the game file. We can really dig it... :)

[Mod Edit - this isn't the wishlist thread, please don't turn it into one - MM]

Edited by user Tuesday, December 3, 2019 3:01:56 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Hey Max, thank you a lot for the heads-up ! :)

The list are errorless, with of course one single exception I've come across the 4000+ models. Congratulations !

The Toyota Celica Gen 7 is not new to Forza and has been in the franchise since FM1 up to FM6 (although a stock model is preferred for ricing reasons)

http://igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=60684

The amount of effort you put in those masterlist and its analysis is huge. Do you think something like a Form/Survey/Poll with answer like to a datasheet can help you ? T10, MS and Xbox Games Studios have already done such things for game maps and feature request for example. Knowing what Microsoft do with its survey, they can provide you with such a tool.

Edited by user Thursday, December 5, 2019 2:04:22 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Up to Motorsport 6.

[Mod Edit - this is the summary thread; your car requests are already posted in the Wishlists thread pinned at the top of the forum - MM]

Edited by user Monday, December 16, 2019 11:27:23 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

February 2020 stats update

It's been three months since the last revision so it's time for another update to the most requested cars in the FH4 Car Wishlists thread.

These numbers are current as of post #4525 (February 9) and the cars announced with the Series 19 content update. Since the last info update in November (post #4025) the wishlist thread has grown by 500 posts with 4,900 requests, an average of just under 10 cars per post. Since the thread started, the average list per user has been steady at around 11 cars; I'm on line 47,815 of my spreadsheet which corresponds to 4346 unique users (which checks out given multiple posts by the same users and some not countable posts).

The game roster has grown by 17 cars from Series Updates 17, 18, and 19 to a game menu total of 677. Seven of the 17 have been in a previous Forza game. The Toyota Supra, Alpine A110, and Lexus LFA have been in the top 20 most requested cars, and Series 18 satisfied the community's long-running #1 request: the Lamborghini Huracan Performante. As of February the Performante had 314 requests, a rate of 1 out of every 14 user lists. Below is a list of the cars recently added to the game with the number of users who requested them through February.








SERIES 17-19 CAR ADDITIONS

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314 Lamborghini Huracan Performante 2017-current
117 Toyota Supra RZ 1998-1998
112 Alpine A110 2017-current
109 Lexus LFA 2010-2010
68 Renault Megane IV R.S. 280 5dr 2016-current
64 Toyota Sprinter Trueno AE86 GT Apex 1985-1987
63 Renault Clio II Sport Clio V6 3dr 1999-2004
42 Rover SD1 Vitesse 1976-1986
27 Mercury Cougar Eliminator 1970-1970
7 Renault Megane R26.R 2008-2008
7 Aston Martin Vulcan AMR-Pro 2017-current
6 Renault Clio III RS 197 3dr 2002-2009
6 Ford Transit Supervan 3 1994-1994
4 Hummer H1 Open Top 2006-2006
3 LEGO Speed Champions Bugatti Chiron
1 Porsche 356 C Cabriolet Emory Special (Outlaw) 1964
- Renault Clio R.S. 16 Concept 2016



The method I'm using is to fit requested cars into models defined by manufacturer / model chassis generation / body type / performance trim. Using this format, and including unique race cars and customized versions, users have requested 7,000 different models currently not in FH4. In the past three months the most popular new models have been the Tesla Cybertruck and Ferrari Roma, requested by just under 10 users each. This puts them at rank range between 1160 to 1470 overall. The updated top 100 most requested cars have been requested by 46 or more users.


Along with number of requests, I've indicated whether the model has appeared in a previous Forza game or would be new to the franchise. I've continued tracking specific requests for the Huracan Evo separate from the Performante.




UPDATED TOP 100 MOST REQUESTED MODELS

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new 208 Lamborghini Aventador SVJ (63) 2019-current
new 196 BMW 8-Series (G15) M850i / M8 Competition coupe 2018-current
FM4 187 DeLorean DMC-12 1982-1983
new 181 Toyota GR Supra A90 MkV 2019-current
FM6 158 Mercedes SLR McLaren 2005-2005
FH3 146 Tesla Model S 2012-current
new 137 Mercedes AMG Project One 2018-current
new 133 Aston Martin Valkyrie (AM-RB 001) 2018-current
new 131 Koenigsegg Jesko 2019-current
new 129 Audi RS5 (performance) Coupe 2017-current
new 127 McLaren 675LT 2015-2017
new 126 Tesla Model X 2015-current
FM4 125 Honda Civic Gen5 (EG/EH) 1.5 VTi / Si 3dr 1992-1995
FM4 124 De Tomaso Pantera (L/GTS) 1971-1980
new 109 Mercedes E-Class (W213) AMG E63 / E63S sedan 2017-current
new 103 Ford Mustang Gen6 Shelby GT500 2019-current
new 101 Audi RS3 (performance) sedan 2017-current
new 100 Chevrolet Corvette C8 2020-current
new 99 Tesla Roadster 2020-current
FM7 99 McLaren P1 GTR 2015-2015
FH1 96 Peugeot 206 RC (GTi180) 3dr 1998-2012
FH1 96 Gumpert Apollo S 2010-2010
new 89 McLaren Speedtail (BP23) 2019-current
FM7 89 BMW 8-Series (E31) 850CSi / 840Ci 1989-1999
new 85 Hennessey Venom F5 2019-current
new 84 Lamborghini Huracan Evo 2019-current
new 82 Ferrari F8 Tributo 2019-current
FM7 82 Chevrolet Camaro Gen4.2 (35th Anniversary) 1998-2002
new 81 Ferrari Portofino 2018-current
FM4 81 Dodge Ram SRT-10 Sport Truck 2004-2006
new 80 BMW 3-Series (F80) M3 (Competition) / CS / M340i sedan 2015-current
FH3 79 GMC Syclone 1991-1991
new 78 Peugeot 106 Rallye 1991-2003
new 76 Nissan GT-R NISMO 2014-current
new 75 Shelby GT500 Fastback (Eleanor) 1967-1967
FM7 74 Volvo XC90 T8 2014-current
new 74 Tesla Model 3 2017-current
FM7 73 Rolls-Royce Wraith hardtop Coupe 2013-current
FM7 73 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am WS6 1998-2002
new 72 Mercedes AMG G-Class (W463) 63 2018-current
FH1 72 Koenigsegg CCXR Edition 2009-2009
new 71 Plymouth Road Runner 1968-1970
new 71 Citroen Saxo 1996-2003
new 68 Lexus LC coupe 2018-current
new 67 Jensen Interceptor 1967-1976
FM4 65 Volkswagen Golf Mk5 GTi / R32 3dr 2003-2010
new 64 W Motors Fenyr SuperSport 2016-2016
FH1 64 SSC Ultimate Aero 2010-2013
new 64 Porsche Taycan 2020-current
new 63 Lamborghini Terzo Millennio concept 2019-2019
FM7 63 Chevrolet Camaro Gen3.2 IROC-Z 1990-1992
new 62 Volkswagen Golf Mk7.5 (GTi / GTD / GTE / R / Clubsport) 5dr 2017-current
FM4 62 Ford Mustang Gen5 GT 2005-2009
FH3 61 Toyota Supra A70 MkIII 2.0 GT Twin Turbo [RHD / GA70] 1986-1993
FM4 61 Honda CR-X Del Sol SiR 1992-1998
new 61 Ford Fiesta Mk8 ST 2017-current
new 61 BMW 7-Series (G11) 750Li/M760Li 2016-current
new 60 SEAT Leon Gen3.2 Cupra/R 2018-current
new 60 Rolls-Royce Phantom VIII 2018-current
new 60 Nissan Pulsar N14 GTI-R 1990-1995
new 60 BMW 2-Series (F87) M2 (Competition) Coupe 2019-current
new 60 Audi TT RS (performance) Coupe 2016-current
new 58 Rimac Concept One 2016-2016
new 58 Jeep Gladiator (Sport/Overland) 2019-current
new 58 Ford GT90 concept 1995-1995
new 58 Ferrari FXX-K Evo 2015-current
FM4 57 Pagani Zonda C12 1999-1999
FM4 57 GMC Typhoon 1992-1993
new 57 Ford SVT Mustang Gen4 Cobra Terminator 2003-2004
new 56 Mercedes S-Class (W222) 63/65/500 sedan 2013-current
new 56 Jaguar XE SV Project 8 2018-current
FM4 56 Honda Civic Gen6 (EM1) Si Coupe 1999-2000
new 56 Ferrari SF90 Stradale (Assetto Fiorano) 2020-current
new 55 TOYOTA -
new 55 Rolls-Royce Cullinan 2019-current
new 55 Ford Focus Gen4 Mk4 ST 5dr hatch 2018-current
new 54 Bentley Continental GT W12 2018-current
new 53 McLaren GT 2020-current
new 52 Toyota Chaser X100 (Tourer) 1996-2001
new 52 Polestar 1 2019-current
new 52 Jaguar F-Type SVR Coupe 2016-current
new 52 Hyundai i30 (N, Option) 5dr 2018-current
new 52 Ford Mondeo Gen2 Mk III ST220 2000-2007
new 52 Audi R8 (facelift/Decennium) 2019-current
FM7 50 Mazda RX-3 Grand Familia 1973-1978
FM4 50 Mazda Furai 2008-2008
FM7 50 Dodge Coronet Super Bee 1970-1970
FM4 50 Citroen C4 VTS coupe 3dr 2004-2010
new 50 Bugatti La Voiture Noire 2019-2019
FM4 49 Pontiac GTO Gen5 (LS2) 2005-2006
FM7 49 Mitsubishi Starion 1982-1989
FM4 49 Lamborghini Gallardo 2005-2008
new 49 Ford Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth (2WD, 4x4) saloon 1988-1992
FM7 48 Rolls-Royce Dawn 2016-current
FM7 48 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 1967-1969
new 47 Zenvo TSR-S 2018-current
FM2 47 Chrysler ME Four-Twelve concept 2005-2005
new 46 Volkswagen Polo (Mk6) GTI 3dr 2018-current
new 46 Peugeot 308 5dr 2013-current
FM4 46 Mercedes SLR McLaren Stirling Moss 2009-2009

Edited by user Friday, February 21, 2020 11:20:44 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

In addition to checking off the community's most requested car in the past three months, FH4 passes another significant milestone with Series 19:

While Forza Motorsport 7 claims the largest car roster at 836 (including 188 race cars), Forza Horizon 4 now has the largest roster of factory-spec models of all Forza games to date:

527 FH4 - 75 race spec
526 FM7 - 188 race spec
519 FM4 - 105 race spec
425 FH3 - 52 race spec
411 FM6 - 125 race spec
354 FM3
283 FH2
264 FM5
220 FM2
193 FH1
153 FM1



To get these numbers I've put all cars in Forza's history (1,777 cars) into a single spreadsheet and classified each as either: Factory/Production, Racing spec, Tuner (Deberti, Hoonigan, LEGO), Fantasy (Warthog, Chryslus, Quartz), Livery Duplicate (models with the same stats), or Upgraded (FE models). There's more interpretation going on here since I'm including offroad competition and non-road-legal track-only models in the race spec classification, but in any case the classification is the same for every game where the car appears. FH4 and FM7 share 60 race spec models, mostly in Extreme Track Toys, Classic / Vintage Racers, Extreme Offroad, Retro Rally and Rally Monsters, Offroad Buggies, and Trucks.

Normalizing manufacturers to FH4's roster, I count 157 different makes that have appeared in Forza's history. This includes associated makes such as HDT, HSV, and Holden, and SRT, Viper, and Dodge. FH4 features 120 different makes (including James Bond and LEGO Speed Champions separately), while FM7 featured 101 and FM4 featured 95. That just leaves 480 other makes remaining from the community's Car Wishlists thread.

Edited by user Friday, February 14, 2020 3:28:17 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

New cars added with Update 20:

• 2019 McLaren Speedtail (Summer Festival Playlist 50% completion)
  
• 1933 Napier Napier-Railton (Autumn event reward)
  
• 1969 Toyota 2000GT (Winter Festival Playlist 50% completion)

The McLaren and Napier are new to Forza, and the Toyota is returning from FM6 and previous games. As of this month, the McLaren Speedtail is among the top 25 most requested cars.
The new cars were profiled in the Series 20 livestream and announcement article:

[Mod Edit - This is the summary thread, not the thread for requests. Check your post history and you'll see you already have a post there. - MM]

Edited by user Friday, March 27, 2020 2:40:58 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified