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#1 Posted : Monday, April 2, 2018 12:22:04 PM(UTC)
Hello,

Been watching faster drivers on the ForzaRC qualifying rivals and I've noticed (as with the Bounty Hunter Rivals) many drivers are clearly not within the "Two Wheels" rule of the handbook (Official ForzaRC Handbook) where "Two wheels must remain in between the white (sometimes yellow) lines defining the track. (...etc)".


This has me wondering:

a) Do these rules only apply to certain events (eg not apply to qualifying, but apply to finals)?
b) If yes to a, why is that not consistant and to which events are the rules being applied?
c) Who is enforcing any rules when they are being applied?

Thank you.
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#2 Posted : Monday, April 2, 2018 12:45:26 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: CoveredHydra44 Go to Quoted Post

c) Who is enforcing any rules when they are being applied?



It's stated under 3.4 and 3.6

3.4
'The violation of race etiquette will be at the sole determination of Turn 10 and Gfinity
with a valid replay.'

3.6
'All broadcasted races (weekly finals and grand final) will be held with marshals/race-admins in
the session
Race-marshals are allowed to penalize cuts or unsportsmanlike-behaviour/crashes during the
event. Please refer to the ForzaRC Handbook for clarification on all unsportsmanlike conduct.
Such actions might lead to penalty points/seconds, drive-through-penalties or even
disqualification.'
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#3 Posted : Monday, April 2, 2018 2:55:40 PM(UTC)
a) I believe Section 3 only applies to the multiplayer races and not the Rivals qualifiers.
b) Leveraging T10's track limits for Clean/Dirty laps is the easiest and most objective way to manage the Rivals Qualifiers since the players are racing the clock and not each other.





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#4 Posted : Monday, April 2, 2018 4:19:18 PM(UTC)
pretty much in qualifiers get the fastest clean lap you can, in the actual races keep two wheels on the tarmac at all times and youre good.

this is why I am sure once the races start things will get interesting because the faster drivers will be slowed down a little because of this restriction.
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#5 Posted : Monday, April 2, 2018 7:19:23 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Wh1t3Kn1te Go to Quoted Post
pretty much in qualifiers get the fastest clean lap you can, in the actual races keep two wheels on the tarmac at all times and youre good.

this is why I am sure once the races start things will get interesting because the faster drivers will be slowed down a little because of this restriction.


I agree with your idea about slowing with racing, and the other idea(s) of "racing the clock" - but if drivers are able to learn/practice track exploits and go off the marked track to qualify fastest - isn't that like moving goalposts for the final and defeating the purpose of qualifying to "get the fastest clean lap you can" (and having lines defining the track) when they have gone off the marked track?

Anyways, thanks for all the responses so far - at the end of the day I doubt I'll even qualify. 😁😁
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#6 Posted : Monday, April 2, 2018 10:48:01 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Wh1t3Kn1te Go to Quoted Post
pretty much in qualifiers get the fastest clean lap you can, in the actual races keep two wheels on the tarmac at all times and youre good.

this is why I am sure once the races start things will get interesting because the faster drivers will be slowed down a little because of this restriction.


Not really... It literally does not affect us. If you watched Le Mans last year, you would have seen that we were still just as fast since everyone was still obeying the same set of rules.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, April 3, 2018 6:00:45 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: TomentosePiano3 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Wh1t3Kn1te Go to Quoted Post
pretty much in qualifiers get the fastest clean lap you can, in the actual races keep two wheels on the tarmac at all times and youre good.

this is why I am sure once the races start things will get interesting because the faster drivers will be slowed down a little because of this restriction.


Not really... It literally does not affect us. If you watched Le Mans last year, you would have seen that we were still just as fast since everyone was still obeying the same set of rules.


Uh, no, it definitely slows people down when they're far more cautious about violating track limits. For the qualifying races, it's what most call "Forza clean", so whatever the game deems as acceptable. For actual "races" (though i don't think this applies to the ghost racing), you have to obey the "2 tires on track" policy, denoted by the painted lines or curbs. It 100% slows Sebring down, though how much is debatable. I'd say it's about .3-.4 a lap, solely because of the different lines you'd have to take in Turns 14-16

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#8 Posted : Friday, April 6, 2018 1:21:10 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: F4H Diablo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TomentosePiano3 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Wh1t3Kn1te Go to Quoted Post
pretty much in qualifiers get the fastest clean lap you can, in the actual races keep two wheels on the tarmac at all times and youre good.

this is why I am sure once the races start things will get interesting because the faster drivers will be slowed down a little because of this restriction.


Not really... It literally does not affect us. If you watched Le Mans last year, you would have seen that we were still just as fast since everyone was still obeying the same set of rules.


Uh, no, it definitely slows people down when they're far more cautious about violating track limits. For the qualifying races, it's what most call "Forza clean", so whatever the game deems as acceptable. For actual "races" (though i don't think this applies to the ghost racing), you have to obey the "2 tires on track" policy, denoted by the painted lines or curbs. It 100% slows Sebring down, though how much is debatable. I'd say it's about .3-.4 a lap, solely because of the different lines you'd have to take in Turns 14-16



I've been watching my Lobby's top qualifier's replay from the ladder challenge. They are off in no less than 5 places. My question is, how close is this going to be monitored. Will other drivers have to call them out? There should be a driver's meeting thread to address some rules.
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#9 Posted : Friday, April 6, 2018 1:26:19 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: HawxTalon55 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: F4H Diablo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TomentosePiano3 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Wh1t3Kn1te Go to Quoted Post
pretty much in qualifiers get the fastest clean lap you can, in the actual races keep two wheels on the tarmac at all times and youre good.

this is why I am sure once the races start things will get interesting because the faster drivers will be slowed down a little because of this restriction.


Not really... It literally does not affect us. If you watched Le Mans last year, you would have seen that we were still just as fast since everyone was still obeying the same set of rules.


Uh, no, it definitely slows people down when they're far more cautious about violating track limits. For the qualifying races, it's what most call "Forza clean", so whatever the game deems as acceptable. For actual "races" (though i don't think this applies to the ghost racing), you have to obey the "2 tires on track" policy, denoted by the painted lines or curbs. It 100% slows Sebring down, though how much is debatable. I'd say it's about .3-.4 a lap, solely because of the different lines you'd have to take in Turns 14-16



I've been watching my Lobby's top qualifier's replay from the ladder challenge. They are off in no less than 5 places. My question is, how close is this going to be monitored. Will other drivers have to call them out? There should be a driver's meeting thread to address some rules.



For Saturday races, the races are Forza Clean
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#10 Posted : Friday, April 6, 2018 1:46:49 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: TomentosePiano3 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: HawxTalon55 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: F4H Diablo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TomentosePiano3 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Wh1t3Kn1te Go to Quoted Post
pretty much in qualifiers get the fastest clean lap you can, in the actual races keep two wheels on the tarmac at all times and youre good.

this is why I am sure once the races start things will get interesting because the faster drivers will be slowed down a little because of this restriction.


Not really... It literally does not affect us. If you watched Le Mans last year, you would have seen that we were still just as fast since everyone was still obeying the same set of rules.


Uh, no, it definitely slows people down when they're far more cautious about violating track limits. For the qualifying races, it's what most call "Forza clean", so whatever the game deems as acceptable. For actual "races" (though i don't think this applies to the ghost racing), you have to obey the "2 tires on track" policy, denoted by the painted lines or curbs. It 100% slows Sebring down, though how much is debatable. I'd say it's about .3-.4 a lap, solely because of the different lines you'd have to take in Turns 14-16



I've been watching my Lobby's top qualifier's replay from the ladder challenge. They are off in no less than 5 places. My question is, how close is this going to be monitored. Will other drivers have to call them out? There should be a driver's meeting thread to address some rules.



For Saturday races, the races are Forza Clean


I'm reading that as; "Forza Clean" = no caution triangles
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#11 Posted : Friday, April 6, 2018 1:47:21 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: HawxTalon55 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: F4H Diablo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TomentosePiano3 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Wh1t3Kn1te Go to Quoted Post
pretty much in qualifiers get the fastest clean lap you can, in the actual races keep two wheels on the tarmac at all times and youre good.

this is why I am sure once the races start things will get interesting because the faster drivers will be slowed down a little because of this restriction.


Not really... It literally does not affect us. If you watched Le Mans last year, you would have seen that we were still just as fast since everyone was still obeying the same set of rules.


Uh, no, it definitely slows people down when they're far more cautious about violating track limits. For the qualifying races, it's what most call "Forza clean", so whatever the game deems as acceptable. For actual "races" (though i don't think this applies to the ghost racing), you have to obey the "2 tires on track" policy, denoted by the painted lines or curbs. It 100% slows Sebring down, though how much is debatable. I'd say it's about .3-.4 a lap, solely because of the different lines you'd have to take in Turns 14-16



I've been watching my Lobby's top qualifier's replay from the ladder challenge. They are off in no less than 5 places. My question is, how close is this going to be monitored. Will other drivers have to call them out? There should be a driver's meeting thread to address some rules.


If it effects the results, drivers will complain. I think that's why there are several hours between the first race and the top 80 races. As long as 2 tires are on track, you are good. The only place where 4 tire off track is a huge benefit are the S turns toward the end of the track.
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#12 Posted : Friday, April 6, 2018 1:47:27 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: HawxTalon55 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TomentosePiano3 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: HawxTalon55 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: F4H Diablo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TomentosePiano3 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Wh1t3Kn1te Go to Quoted Post
pretty much in qualifiers get the fastest clean lap you can, in the actual races keep two wheels on the tarmac at all times and youre good.

this is why I am sure once the races start things will get interesting because the faster drivers will be slowed down a little because of this restriction.


Not really... It literally does not affect us. If you watched Le Mans last year, you would have seen that we were still just as fast since everyone was still obeying the same set of rules.


Uh, no, it definitely slows people down when they're far more cautious about violating track limits. For the qualifying races, it's what most call "Forza clean", so whatever the game deems as acceptable. For actual "races" (though i don't think this applies to the ghost racing), you have to obey the "2 tires on track" policy, denoted by the painted lines or curbs. It 100% slows Sebring down, though how much is debatable. I'd say it's about .3-.4 a lap, solely because of the different lines you'd have to take in Turns 14-16



I've been watching my Lobby's top qualifier's replay from the ladder challenge. They are off in no less than 5 places. My question is, how close is this going to be monitored. Will other drivers have to call them out? There should be a driver's meeting thread to address some rules.



For Saturday races, the races are Forza Clean


I'm reading that as; "Forza Clean" = no caution triangles


Correct
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#13 Posted : Friday, April 6, 2018 3:48:44 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: TomentosePiano3 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: HawxTalon55 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TomentosePiano3 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: HawxTalon55 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: F4H Diablo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: TomentosePiano3 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Wh1t3Kn1te Go to Quoted Post
pretty much in qualifiers get the fastest clean lap you can, in the actual races keep two wheels on the tarmac at all times and youre good.

this is why I am sure once the races start things will get interesting because the faster drivers will be slowed down a little because of this restriction.


Not really... It literally does not affect us. If you watched Le Mans last year, you would have seen that we were still just as fast since everyone was still obeying the same set of rules.


Uh, no, it definitely slows people down when they're far more cautious about violating track limits. For the qualifying races, it's what most call "Forza clean", so whatever the game deems as acceptable. For actual "races" (though i don't think this applies to the ghost racing), you have to obey the "2 tires on track" policy, denoted by the painted lines or curbs. It 100% slows Sebring down, though how much is debatable. I'd say it's about .3-.4 a lap, solely because of the different lines you'd have to take in Turns 14-16



I've been watching my Lobby's top qualifier's replay from the ladder challenge. They are off in no less than 5 places. My question is, how close is this going to be monitored. Will other drivers have to call them out? There should be a driver's meeting thread to address some rules.



For Saturday races, the races are Forza Clean


I'm reading that as; "Forza Clean" = no caution triangles


Correct


You're incorrect. The rules specifically state that two tires must remain on the race surface as desgniated by solid white or yellow lines. Curbs are not part of the track.

Reread rule 3.4 at the very bottom of the handbook.

Edit: nevermind there is a.conflict in rules. Ghost races aree Forza clean. Whew that's a relief. Well that's a new rules.

Edited by user Friday, April 6, 2018 3:57:04 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#14 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 3:29:42 AM(UTC)
I'm racing the ghost races as the rules state for the other races just so that there are no controversies. if that costs me the top 4 then so be it.

now if only turn 10 would change the code in their game so "forza clean" is truly clean.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 8:34:36 AM(UTC)
I don’t know how this gets policed. Someone in my race that finished ahead of me had a best lap that was dirty. That would mean every lap they did was dirty. Results stood and they weren’t penalised. Go figure
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#16 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 8:39:07 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: RichWard25 Go to Quoted Post
I don’t know how this gets policed. Someone in my race that finished ahead of me had a best lap that was dirty. That would mean every lap they did was dirty. Results stood and they weren’t penalised. Go figure


Hopefully that is why they have the break between race 1 and 2, so they can penalize the corner cutters. Granted, there are not many places on Sebring to gain a lot from cutting.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 11:45:54 AM(UTC)
If we could get this cleared up at some point it would be nice...sebring is so funky when it comes to two tires within the paint...I understand the s turns on to the back stretch, but what about going wide in the last turn on exit...or going to the wall in turn 1? Both are accepted as fair far as I know but per the rules would not be accepted.

I'm honestly lost a bit here, and its slowing me down terribly. I honestly just dont want to get a penalty for something I dont even think about lol. It's harder to try and not get a penalty than it is to race, and I'm not sure that's how it should be. Just having a clear idea of what boundaries are good, like using the paint lines, and what ones are bad, would be great. Or just saying forza clean it is, either way, just want some clarity is all
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#18 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:09:16 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: RichWard25 Go to Quoted Post
I don’t know how this gets policed. Someone in my race that finished ahead of me had a best lap that was dirty. That would mean every lap they did was dirty. Results stood and they weren’t penalised. Go figure


Did you save the replay and appeal to GFinity?
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#19 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:11:55 PM(UTC)
The deal is from what I understand and that has been previously stated is that rivals times and Saturday ghost races are set by “Forza Clean” standards. Sunday showdown races etc are by the handbook rules.
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#20 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:15:22 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: StopherTopher Go to Quoted Post
The deal is from what I understand and that has been previously stated is that rivals times and Saturday ghost races are set by “Forza Clean” standards. Sunday showdown races etc are by the handbook rules.


But what about the top 80 Saturday races with collisions on? Having a set of rules just swapped out like this isn't very race friendly is all I'm saying. I get why there are rules and I'm willing to support whatever ones are there, but I'd rather have a set set of them for EVERY race rather than swapping rules
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#21 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:37:18 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: ERS ShadowFox Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: StopherTopher Go to Quoted Post
The deal is from what I understand and that has been previously stated is that rivals times and Saturday ghost races are set by “Forza Clean” standards. Sunday showdown races etc are by the handbook rules.


But what about the top 80 Saturday races with collisions on? Having a set of rules just swapped out like this isn't very race friendly is all I'm saying. I get why there are rules and I'm willing to support whatever ones are there, but I'd rather have a set set of them for EVERY race rather than swapping rules


There are no races on Saturdays that aren’t ghost. 80 out of the 400 advance to 3 race ghost series to qualify for Sunday heats. Those Sunday heat races are with collisions “on”.
Just look down in section 2.3 https://forzarc.gfinity.net/handbook
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#22 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:42:53 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: StopherTopher Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: ERS ShadowFox Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: StopherTopher Go to Quoted Post
The deal is from what I understand and that has been previously stated is that rivals times and Saturday ghost races are set by “Forza Clean” standards. Sunday showdown races etc are by the handbook rules.


But what about the top 80 Saturday races with collisions on? Having a set of rules just swapped out like this isn't very race friendly is all I'm saying. I get why there are rules and I'm willing to support whatever ones are there, but I'd rather have a set set of them for EVERY race rather than swapping rules


There are no races on Saturdays that aren’t ghost. 80 out of the 400 advance to 3 race ghost series to qualify for Sunday heats. Those Sunday heat races are with collisions “on”.
Just look down in section 2.3 https://forzarc.gfinity.net/handbook


Fair enough, didn't see that. Still...its just odd to switch rule sets like that. Oh well...onwards we go lol
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#23 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 2:43:55 PM(UTC)
I took part in the Top 80 NA races. Likely just missed the top 6 in my lobby overall after the 3 races, but I didn't see how the overall points totals were calculated or how penalties to those who didnt post a clean lap in a race were dealt with.

Congrats to those that move on regardless. Some seriously fast guys out there!

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#24 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 2:50:17 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: STIdarkside 88 Go to Quoted Post
I took part in the Top 80 NA races. Likely just missed the top 6 in my lobby overall after the 3 races, but I didn't see how the overall points totals were calculated or how penalties to those who didnt post a clean lap in a race were dealt with.

Congrats to those that move on regardless. Some seriously fast guys out there!



I’m guessing unless an advantage was gained and a player ended up some of the top spots with dirty laps nothing is really done. Most of what I saw was just under steer and over steer or just complete timing failures, nothing intentional. Plus with so many players monitoring each racers line for each lap would be so time consuming. Overall a great bit of fun though

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#25 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 3:22:50 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: PJTierney Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RichWard25 Go to Quoted Post
I don’t know how this gets policed. Someone in my race that finished ahead of me had a best lap that was dirty. That would mean every lap they did was dirty. Results stood and they weren’t penalised. Go figure


Did you save the replay and appeal to GFinity?


I didn’t see any point, surely that’s the job of the host. If they couldn’t see the big ! triangle next to their time in the race results then I guess the rules don’t really matter.

It wouldn’t have helped me any more, I was 7th and I think they were 5th so I still wouldn’t have progressed as the guys ahead were just to quick. Had I have been in another lobby my time could have been good enough for the top 4, but it wasn’t to be. On to the next one I guess.
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