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#1 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 7:04:50 AM(UTC)
That is my question, will Forza7 be a lot better on a 1080Ptv with no HDR support with the X?

Is it worth the 500 euros when you do not have a 4K tv?
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#2 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 7:11:46 AM(UTC)
The answer truly is yes and no. On the plus side I am seeing many comparisons and it looks like performance is much better than the s model. But the downside for you would be not getting the full use the Xbox one x was intended for which is 4k. However if you have the money get the x for its performance its worth it. And who knows maybe you can catch a deal on a 4k tv and put it all together.
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#3 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 7:11:52 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: zzjorzz Go to Quoted Post
That is my question, will Forza7 be a lot better on a 1080Ptv with no HDR support with the X?

Is it worth the 500 euros when you do not have a 4K tv?


You could get one now and get a 4K TV later, but if you're looking for any improvement over the S on a 1080p screen, you won't see any at all.
I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong
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#4 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 7:12:38 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: zzjorzz Go to Quoted Post
That is my question, will Forza7 be a lot better on a 1080Ptv with no HDR support with the X?

Is it worth the 500 euros when you do not have a 4K tv?


Short answer, No.
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#5 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 7:20:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: zzjorzz Go to Quoted Post
That is my question, will Forza7 be a lot better on a 1080Ptv with no HDR support with the X?

Is it worth the 500 euros when you do not have a 4K tv?


You could get one now and get a 4K TV later, but if you're looking for any improvement over the S on a 1080p screen, you won't see any at all.


Not true. I used supersampling on my PC to get 4k output on to my 1080P monitor until I could afford a 4k monitor and the picture was improved, with less jaggies and a clearer picture. It wasn't anything like true 4k but was certainly better.

Personally I wouldnt buy a Scorpio if I had a working Xbox and HD TV, only if I had or was planning to get a 4k TV, OR the Xbox I had was on its last legs.

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#6 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 7:29:46 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dog8MyGamertag Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: zzjorzz Go to Quoted Post
That is my question, will Forza7 be a lot better on a 1080Ptv with no HDR support with the X?

Is it worth the 500 euros when you do not have a 4K tv?


You could get one now and get a 4K TV later, but if you're looking for any improvement over the S on a 1080p screen, you won't see any at all.


Not true. I used supersampling on my PC to get 4k output on to my 1080P monitor until I could afford a 4k monitor and the picture was improved, with less jaggies and a clearer picture. It wasn't anything like true 4k but was certainly better.

Personally I wouldnt buy a Scorpio if I had a working Xbox and HD TV, only if I had or was planning to get a 4k TV, OR the Xbox I had was on its last legs.



Does the One X or 1080p TV support super-sampling? I tried super-sampling on my own 1080p monitor and it just refused to display anything at all. Would you spend $500 to find out? Besides, the TV will be connected over HDMI (probably) so the connection will be automatically optimised for the display it's plugged into. So I'll stand by my statement.
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#7 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 7:32:58 AM(UTC)
If you watch the Xbo X Presentation by Kareem Choudhry, there was mention that there will be visual improvements to the 1080p graphical layer over that of Xbox One . So yeah, you should get it even if you don't have a 4K TV, giving you time to upgrade to 4k in the future.

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#8 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 7:38:24 AM(UTC)
The graphics of some Xbox One X titles are better than a normal Xbox One, there's more to it than just a resolution bump.

I don't think an Xbox One X is worth it unless you have a 4K TV or are planning to get one though.

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#9 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 7:44:22 AM(UTC)
Waste of money. It'll look and run like the Xbox One version with better anti aliasing. Even PC gamers won't pay $500 just for slightly better AA lol
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#10 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 7:47:47 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Dog8MyGamertag Go to Quoted Post



Does the One X or 1080p TV support super-sampling? I tried super-sampling on my own 1080p monitor and it just refused to display anything at all. Would you spend $500 to find out? Besides, the TV will be connected over HDMI (probably) so the connection will be automatically optimised for the display it's plugged into. So I'll stand by my statement.


The XB1X supports supersampling.

https://news.xbox.com/20...ng-4k-hdr-supersampling/

Which simple makes your statement that there is no difference from the XB1S to the XB1X @1080p FAKENEWS.

And the display or HDMI connection have absolutly nothing to do with supersampling!

Why someone post this without even know about the features ???? Why???


There are already XB1X tests online since yesterday, talking about that feature.

But if the difference is worth $500..... NO!

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#11 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 8:50:47 AM(UTC)
If Forza is all that you play then I would have to say no don’t get it because Forza already runs at 1080p and 60fps. If you play a large variety of games though, such as shooters, adventures, open world games and also own a big TV. Then you will benefit more on a One X purchase.

Many, many games and most AAA titles don’t hit 1080p on an OG Xbox or the One S. Most of the big games run at 900p on Xbox, so it does not even reach the potential of your current TV set. With an Xbox One X you can be certain that practically every game moving forward will run at least at 1080p.

As for super sampling it does help smooth the jagged edges but more so if you are playing on a big TV set. If you game on something that is say between 30 and 40 inches while sitting 8 to 10 feet away, you will notice far less improvement than you would see on something that is 60 inches.

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#12 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 8:55:33 AM(UTC)
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If Forza is all that you play then I would have to say no don’t get it because Forza already runs at 1080p and 60fps. If you play a large variety of games though, such as shooters, adventures, open world games and also own a big TV. Then you will benefit more on a One X purchase.

Many, many games and most AAA titles don’t hit 1080p on an OG Xbox or the One S. Most of the big games run at 900p on Xbox, so it does not even reach the potential of your current TV set. With an Xbox One X you can be certain that practically every game moving forward will run at least at 1080p.

As for super sampling it does help smooth the jagged edges but more so if you are playing on a big TV set. If you game on something that is say between 30 and 40 inches, you will notice far less improvement than you would see on something that is 60 inches.


I play on a 48" and I play other games then forza as well. Thanks for the input!
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#13 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 9:06:41 AM(UTC)
Why listen to others on here, you're going to get both answers. If you have the cash, get it. If not or not interested then don't. And does anyone read the specs of what it has? Just sayin.
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#14 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 12:55:19 PM(UTC)
http://www.pcgamer.com/a-week-with-the-xbox-one-x-how-it-compares-to-a-living-room-pc/

Xbox one X also support 1440P Natively.

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#15 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 12:59:42 PM(UTC)
Faster loading times:
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#16 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 1:01:21 PM(UTC)
So its either a 7200rpm drive (up from 5400rpm), or its a hybrid drive.
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#17 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 1:02:47 PM(UTC)
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Why listen to others on here, you're going to get both answers. If you have the cash, get it. If not or not interested then don't. And does anyone read the specs of what it has? Just sayin.



It is not about the cash, it is about value for money. And I know every spec there is about the xbox one x, it just doesnt answer my (OP) question, is it worth to buy the X if you have a 1080p tv.

So I hope someone will reply who bought the X and hooked it up to a 1080p tv, instead of useless replys like this. Sorry, harsh but fair!
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#18 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 1:04:38 PM(UTC)
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Why listen to others on here, you're going to get both answers. If you have the cash, get it. If not or not interested then don't. And does anyone read the specs of what it has? Just sayin.


Yes ... some of us actually do. And some of us actually research new technologies so that we understand what it is we're about to shell out a couple thousand dollars for.

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#19 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 1:07:25 PM(UTC)
I would wait until you upgrade to a 4K, the price of the X will drop eventually
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#20 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 1:13:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ECT CHEF Go to Quoted Post
Why listen to others on here, you're going to get both answers. If you have the cash, get it. If not or not interested then don't. And does anyone read the specs of what it has? Just sayin.


Yes ... some of us actually do. And some of us actually research new technologies so that we understand what it is we're about to shell out a couple thousand dollars for.


Exactly, on on top of that I am looking for the advice and experiences with the new console of fellow players who play the same game(s) to come to a solid conclusion about spending 500 euros.
So my hopes are still high from a answer of either a player who has this setup (Xbone X with 1080P tv/monitor) or one of the gamedevs who know firts hand what the X does with their game.
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#21 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 1:20:12 PM(UTC)
If money is not the issue, then yes buy it. You will get smoother and higher FPS and downsampled 4k to your FHD screen will act like a AA, which (in theory) should give you smoother lines (less jagginess).
But since there is Xbox Play Anywhere, that means all the new MS titles are coming to PC as well (among games from other publishers that pretty much all have PC versions as well), my suggestion would be to sell your One/One S (I'm assuming you have console and you don't care much about older console titles, that are not available on PC), take that money and add to your 500€ One X budget and build a PC, which you can also hook up to your TV and use controller for gaming (among other options).
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#22 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 1:23:12 PM(UTC)
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So its either a 7200rpm drive (up from 5400rpm), or its a hybrid drive.


Hey dust. I don't believe it's either of those actually. It's still a lousy 5400 RPM laptop Drive. But it's now finally on a sata 3 bus. They OG Xbox was using a bus that was basically 10 years old so data throughput wss bottlenecked. That and the faster processor, faster RAM and things like that will give you that boost as well

I've been using a solid-state drive on a USB 3 cable for the last couple of years. I generally load into games in about half the time as people using the internal. it's pretty entertaining on some co-op games for guys to load in and wonder why I'm 200 meters ahead shooting the bad guys already. If you're going to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on the console, trust me it's unbelievably worth it to get a solid state drive, even if a small one, and a $15 USB 3 to SATA adapter cable. Make sure it supports uasp. If you can't afford a big one just get a small solid state drive (minimum size the Xbox support is 256gb, you can't use a 250 or a 240, it has to be at least 256). put the games you are currently playing on it and leave your older games on the internal.

Horizon 3 load time on internal drive ~90 seconds. Horizon 3 load time on external solid state drive 37 seconds. Yep if you don't have one, you need one.
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#23 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 1:23:25 PM(UTC)
At launch it's not worth it. Down the road it will be. Most likely there will be future versions of the Xbox One X with the original falling further behind just like in PC gaming. At some point you will need to upgrade in order to run future titles properly. Right now you don't have to.

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#24 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 1:33:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DUST2DEATH Go to Quoted Post
So its either a 7200rpm drive (up from 5400rpm), or its a hybrid drive.


Hey dust. I don't believe it's either of those actually. It's still a lousy 5400 RPM laptop Drive. But it's now finally on a sata 3 bus. They OG Xbox was using a bus that was basically 10 years old so data throughput wss bottlenecked. That and the faster processor, faster RAM and things like that will give you that boost as well

I've been using a solid-state drive on a USB 3 cable for the last couple of years. I generally load into games in about half the time as people using the internal. it's pretty entertaining on some co-op games for guys to load in and wonder why I'm 200 meters ahead shooting the bad guys already. If you're going to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on the console, trust me it's unbelievably worth it to get a solid state drive, even if a small one, and a $15 USB 3 to SATA adapter cable. Make sure it supports uasp. If you can't afford a big one just get a small solid state drive (minimum size the Xbox support is 256gb, you can't use a 250 or a 240, it has to be at least 256). put the games you are currently playing on it and leave your older games on the internal.

Horizon 3 load time on internal drive ~90 seconds. Horizon 3 load time on external solid state drive 37 seconds. Yep if you don't have one, you need one.


I wouldnt spend anything on that console, personally.
Its not worth it IMO when PC is so far ahead.

I have a 4790K/GTX 1080, 16GB RAM and a bunch of ssd's... Im not moving, No chance ;)

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#25 Posted : Monday, November 6, 2017 1:44:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: KKDURAZZ Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DUST2DEATH Go to Quoted Post
So its either a 7200rpm drive (up from 5400rpm), or its a hybrid drive.


Hey dust. I don't believe it's either of those actually. It's still a lousy 5400 RPM laptop Drive. But it's now finally on a sata 3 bus. They OG Xbox was using a bus that was basically 10 years old so data throughput wss bottlenecked. That and the faster processor, faster RAM and things like that will give you that boost as well

I've been using a solid-state drive on a USB 3 cable for the last couple of years. I generally load into games in about half the time as people using the internal. it's pretty entertaining on some co-op games for guys to load in and wonder why I'm 200 meters ahead shooting the bad guys already. If you're going to spend hundreds and hundreds of dollars on the console, trust me it's unbelievably worth it to get a solid state drive, even if a small one, and a $15 USB 3 to SATA adapter cable. Make sure it supports uasp. If you can't afford a big one just get a small solid state drive (minimum size the Xbox support is 256gb, you can't use a 250 or a 240, it has to be at least 256). put the games you are currently playing on it and leave your older games on the internal.

Horizon 3 load time on internal drive ~90 seconds. Horizon 3 load time on external solid state drive 37 seconds. Yep if you don't have one, you need one.


I wouldnt spend anything on that console, personally.
Its not worth it IMO when PC is so far ahead.

I have a 4790K/GTX 1080, 16GB RAM and a bunch of ssd's... Im not moving, No chance ;)

1080 sneezes and FM7 runs scared. :P


Duh, for that money you can buy 5 xbox x. Why reply to this thread? Only to boast about your pc specs? Pc is ahead, also in cost!
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