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#526 Posted : Friday, November 3, 2017 2:17:02 AM(UTC)
So you'd just have to get rid of a preset tune and you could easily upgrade the car to meet the homologation restrictions? Sounds like your own recalcitrance is more draconian than the restrictions.
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#527 Posted : Friday, November 3, 2017 2:27:50 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Ti Hsien Go to Quoted Post
So you'd just have to get rid of a preset tune and you could easily upgrade the car to meet the homologation restrictions? Sounds like your own recalcitrance is more draconian than the restrictions.


Nope the car is pre-tuned by another tuner, and I'd like to keep it that way. If I buy a car from the Auction House, I have no problem removing the tune or the livery/paint scheme, but the car was a prize for taking part in a community event, so I'd like to keep it in the state it was gifted. As far as I'm concerned it doesn't need fixing. I don't see why being a few points under PI is considered non competitive. This game is messing with my OCD on many levels, and this is just another one....

Anyway, if I want to race a car just a few points shy of the max PI, what's wrong with that? It's fine, I just won't race the car in that division/race series, even though it's eligible.... That's the point I was trying to make.

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#528 Posted : Friday, November 3, 2017 2:59:33 AM(UTC)
You can be under the PI and still qualify. Indeed, a number of cars auto-homologate a point or two under the PI. The tire and HP restrictions also have to be met, however. If the tune doesn't meet those restrictions, it's poorly tuned for its division. It wouldn't surprise me if the tune was simply carried over from a previous game. However it happened, the solution is easy.
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#529 Posted : Friday, November 3, 2017 3:08:39 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Ti Hsien Go to Quoted Post
You can be under the PI and still qualify. Indeed, a number of cars auto-homologate a point or two under the PI. The tire and HP restrictions also have to be met, however. If the tune doesn't meet those restrictions, it's poorly tuned for its division. It wouldn't surprise me if the tune was simply carried over from a previous game. However it happened, the solution is easy.


Yeah I guess so. My choices are to bite the bullet and remove the tune, or only race it in free play.... First world problems, right? Might just have to say sod it and remove the tune. I love the car so I really want to drive it. But still.... Sometimes this game gets to me like fingernails on a chalkboard.... shudder
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#530 Posted : Friday, November 3, 2017 3:38:14 AM(UTC)
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Yeah I guess so. My choices are to bite the bullet and remove the tune, or only race it in free play.... First world problems, right? Might just have to say sod it and remove the tune. I love the car so I really want to drive it. But still.... Sometimes this game gets to me like fingernails on a chalkboard.... shudder


Littel Vixen to my knowlege is a highly skilled painter about tunes have never seen any as I have the same cars I have no problem busting the tune down, all that has to be done for a tune to be locked is adjust tyre pressure. The Prize was custom paint by Little Vixen and we got 4 of them { 😘Thanks LV } not the tune and as all ways her designs never fail to impress. Just make sure you keep any body add on as they are or put them back when redoing the tune.
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#531 Posted : Friday, November 3, 2017 12:15:43 PM(UTC)
I often wonder why most of the cars in the non-homologated divisions (Hoonigan, F&F, Forza Specials) could not have been moved to other divisions, or at least, be de-tuned to do so. It would make these vehicles a little more useful. The following are possible division changes I would look into:

Hoonigan Ute - Sport Touring Icons
Hoonigan RX-7 - Sport Compact Icons
Hoonigan 911 - Sport GT Icons
Hoonigan Escort - Vintage Sport Compact
Hoonigan Nova - Classic Street Muscle
Hoonigan Mustang - Historic Road Racing
Hoonigan Bel Air - Hot Rod Revival

F&F Corvette - Historic Road Racing
F&F Fleetline - Hot Rod Revival
F&F Demon - Sport Touring
F&F Charger - Historic Road Racing
F&F F-Type - Sport Coupe
F&F Rally Fighter - Modern Offroad
F&F AMG GTS - Sport GT
F&F Plymouth GTX - Classic Street Muscle
F&F WRX - Sport Compact
F&F BRZ - Sport Compact

Cadillac Limo - Sport Luxury
Ford Transit - ??? (Something new for vans?)
Ford Crown Vic - Sport Touring Icons
GMC Vandura - ??? (Something new for vans?)
Holden Sandman - Classic Street Muscle
Lambo LM002 - Vintage Offroad
Plymouth Prowler - Sport Touring Icons
Toyota Hilux - Modern Offroad
Toyota Land Cruiser - Modern Offroad
Toyota Baja - Forza Trophy Trucks
VW Dingo - Vintage Offroad
VW Type 2 - ??? (Something new for vans?)

1939 Mercedes-Benz T80 (Cancelled via WWII) - 3000hp 44.5L V12 - 470mph (Projected)
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#532 Posted : Friday, November 3, 2017 12:50:39 PM(UTC)
7 cars added with the Samsung QLED Car Pack

www.forzamotorsport.net/news/FM7_X1X_Update












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#533 Posted : Friday, November 3, 2017 2:56:40 PM(UTC)
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7 cars added with the Samsung QLED Car Pack

www.forzamotorsport.net/news/FM7_X1X_Update



Poor car pack! After all that happened during launch, I didn't think the disappointment could deepen. How wrong was I!

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#534 Posted : Tuesday, November 7, 2017 12:00:21 PM(UTC)
is homologation working? reason i ask is because a lot of people race the lower classes have either quit the game or playing it frustrated.... forza 7 is the first race game where if u put race tires on your ineligable to race or leaderboard. basically by restricting us to street tires we are'nt getting the full potential of what the car could do... especially on short tracks... never thought i would see the day that i cant use RACE tires on a RACE game. Homologation is killing the franchises hardcore following.... 6 month from now all the casual players will be gone and im sure unless something is done so will the forza faithful

and now they moved my post to this thread to silence me.... im done with this game

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#535 Posted : Tuesday, November 7, 2017 2:31:43 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: ANTR eXtOn Go to Quoted Post
is homologation working? reason i ask is because a lot of people race the lower classes have either quit the game or playing it frustrated.... forza 7 is the first race game where if u put race tires on your ineligable to race or leaderboard. basically by restricting us to street tires we are'nt getting the full potential of what the car could do... especially on short tracks... never thought i would see the day that i cant use RACE tires on a RACE game. Homologation is killing the franchises hardcore following.... 6 month from now all the casual players will be gone and im sure unless something is done so will the forza faithful

and now they moved my post to this thread to silence me.... im done with this game


I'm done with online races. In forza 6, I mainly used the closest thing to my real car, the 2008 STI hatchback in-game. However, the base car's handling in-game does not represent the real car at all. When tuning suspension in-game, the car understeers still, but not as badly as stock.

With homologation, I have no suspension tuning options at all. The 2008 STI is basically useless in an online race. It will plow straight off the track. First off, they need to fix the base car's handling. Then, allow suspension tuning. As long as you're not adding power, I don't see a problem with changing suspension settings.

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#536 Posted : Tuesday, November 7, 2017 3:26:52 PM(UTC)
Homologation and lack of freedom and variety (class racing, hot lapping leaderboard rivals etc..) in game is grinding this game into a downward spiral. Its a shame, with the new generation of consoles we were supposed to have an incredible experience but most of what I feel is restrictions, less value for the money, shameless money grabs, and incomplete games. Couple this with useless driver gear and the inability to truly customize and immerse yourself into a car you like is so depressing. The Homologation system would have been welcomed with open arms if it was trickled in with the class system of past, not shoved in our face and made to play their way. Hopefully we can see some improvements in the direction the community requests through the forums and not be ignored. I really enjoy the game but would like more freedom
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#537 Posted : Tuesday, November 7, 2017 3:36:56 PM(UTC)
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Homologation and lack of freedom and variety (class racing, hot lapping leaderboard rivals etc..) in game is grinding this game into a downward spiral. Its a shame, with the new generation of consoles we were supposed to have an incredible experience but most of what I feel is restrictions, less value for the money, shameless money grabs, and incomplete games. Couple this with useless driver gear and the inability to truly customize and immerse yourself into a car you like is so depressing. The Homologation system would have been welcomed with open arms if it was trickled in with the class system of past, not shoved in our face and made to play their way. Hopefully we can see some improvements in the direction the community requests through the forums and not be ignored. I really enjoy the game but would like more freedom


i could'nt agree more and same with all my friends list who have played the franchise for a decade.... i even talked to people who tested the game and raised these concerns with t10 but got ignored.... if its not sorted im sure the fan base will shrink.... please t10 run the class system and homologation side by side... this is what the public want
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#538 Posted : Tuesday, November 7, 2017 3:37:00 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: TDM SilverArrow Go to Quoted Post
I often wonder why most of the cars in the non-homologated divisions (Hoonigan, F&F, Forza Specials) could not have been moved to other divisions, or at least, be de-tuned to do so. It would make these vehicles a little more useful. The following are possible division changes I would look into:

Toyota Hilux - Modern Offroad
Toyota Land Cruiser - Modern Offroad
Toyota Baja - Forza Trophy Trucks
VW Dingo - Vintage Offroad


These especially, I don't know what Turn 10 was thinking when they put all of these cars in "Forza Specials" when they could have easily been put into what you suggested, and would've made 100 times more sense.
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#539 Posted : Tuesday, November 7, 2017 3:47:53 PM(UTC)
one possibility would be to merge some divisions into one, or make some cars multi-division. Just a thought.
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#540 Posted : Tuesday, November 7, 2017 3:58:57 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: T0KENUT Go to Quoted Post
one possibility would be to merge some divisions into one, or make some cars multi-division. Just a thought.



i would be happy with that aslong as we could tune unrestricted to a class performance index.... some of the best tuners on forza have become disheartened with the restrictions and stopped playing the game all together, running both the class and homolagation systems together would be a win win situation for all
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#541 Posted : Tuesday, November 7, 2017 4:25:50 PM(UTC)
Surely they arent just leaving this out? Ive completed the Drivers Cup and sure i can run against my times but the ghost system is so great for working out where you can improve. Im even ok with the homolgation stuff as long as I can race my V8s at Bathurst and Indys at Long Beach with a ghost to race against
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#542 Posted : Tuesday, November 7, 2017 6:01:28 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: ANTR eXtOn Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: T0KENUT Go to Quoted Post
one possibility would be to merge some divisions into one, or make some cars multi-division. Just a thought.



i would be happy with that aslong as we could tune unrestricted to a class performance index.... some of the best tuners on forza have become disheartened with the restrictions and stopped playing the game all together, running both the class and homolagation systems together would be a win win situation for all


Preach brotha.
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#543 Posted : Wednesday, November 8, 2017 1:59:48 AM(UTC)
I think this "homologation" system is the thing that killed this game if its the reason why we don't have class based hoppers.
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#544 Posted : Friday, November 10, 2017 1:06:45 AM(UTC)
So, what is the point of the Forza Specials division if it can't be used in any event in Careers?

You can't even use them in Open Division races.
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#545 Posted : Saturday, November 11, 2017 12:17:43 PM(UTC)
Homologation ruins the lower classes. It should only be used for spec races and proper racing cars that can’t always be tuned up to the top of a particular class.
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#546 Posted : Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:15:00 PM(UTC)
Has homologation really leveled the playing field? I'm not sure. When I checked out the leader boards and while in a hopper I didn't witness a level playing field. Maybe skill based matchmaking might work better based on lap times and so on.

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#547 Posted : Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:18:46 PM(UTC)
Hoppers = / = level field.

In general when you look at the leaderboard times and exclude the obvious glitch users time, the cars are fairly even in times. Numerous models fill the top spots, so I would say yes its working.
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#548 Posted : Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:23:06 PM(UTC)
In some cases no. This is because it still relies on the PI system which is broken. Homologation has made it better however.
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#549 Posted : Saturday, November 11, 2017 11:25:35 PM(UTC)
Not in the slightest. The leaderboard cars in each division are still miles ahead of the rest.
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#550 Posted : Tuesday, November 14, 2017 6:42:58 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Techlology Go to Quoted Post
Not in the slightest. The leaderboard cars in each division are still miles ahead of the rest.


They are only miles ahead because there are very few times on the LB's... I don't consider myself a top driver but I've got a few #1 times by finding a track that hasn't been driven much. If you look at the LBs, how many people see the #1 car and just use that one without trying others in the division.
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