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#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:56:51 PM(UTC)
PLEASE READ THE EDITS BELOW FOLKS

So firstly I just want to say how beautiful this game is looking, I would hope that the tuning and overall physics have had the same overhaul.

I wanted to test out this new setting to see if it was faster or not and to see the difference. So with some extensive testing tonight here are my results.

Preliminary testing.
Testing traction control settings.
Nurburgring GP Wet
Nissan Nismo GT-R
Other assists
Break line only
Normal steering ON
Stability OFF
manual
Cosmetic
Friction assist ON.
Super easy traction control 2:00.840
Normal Traction Control
2:00.997
Traction OFF
2:00.687
Now repeated with friction assist OFF.
Super easy Traction.
2:08.576
Normal Traction.
2:09.647 out lap was quicker half dry with a 2:07.
Traction OFF
2:09.704

In wet conditions NOT running friction assist severely effects your ability to slow down and get around corners In wet conditions.

DUBAI
911 GT2 RS '18
Dry conditions
Other assists
Break line only
Normal steering ON
Stability OFF
manual
Cosmetic
Friction assist ON.
Super easy traction control 2:38.161
Normal Traction Control
2:35.625
Traction OFF
2:24.103
Now repeated with friction assist OFF.
Super easy Traction.
2:37.593
Normal Traction.
2:35.346
Traction OFF
2:33.515

So overall Traction OFF is Fasterl IN both cases.
Friction is alot faster in wet but Slower in dry conditions.

I know using Friction Assist will not allow for valid leaderboard times. Is it safe to say its use will not be allowed in general multiplayer? Career only?

*EDIT*

So it appears that Dan head of T10 has been quoted to say that this friction assist IS in general multiplayer, and that for those who don't want it can simply set up private lobbies or make use if the higher tier lobbies, where the assist is not allowed.

Just point out though T10 the break line with the friction assist OFF is all wrong. If you break at the break line you fly off the track.
If you turn the assist off then the break line needs to compensate.

*EDIT*

"Beginner hoppers will allow this assist. Rivals events and all other hoppers will disable it."
From Bill Giese

*EDIT*

From HeliosT10
Originally Posted by: HeliosT10 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: PJTierney Go to Quoted Post
Good news everyone, it'll only be available in Beginner Hoppers.

https://twitter.com/Bill...tatus/910527948473516032


We will be disabling this assist for rivals events and some multiplayer hoppers. Beginner hoppers will allow this, but the more common hoppers will not. This is not a cheat, this is an assist to help new players.


Thanks for the clarification Helios 👍

Edited by user Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:13:56 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 5:28:43 PM(UTC)
When I used it,my TX wheel made a weird chattering noise,so I won't be using it.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 5:30:35 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: GTR CesarsWrath Go to Quoted Post


I know using Friction Assist will not allow for valid leaderboard times. Is it safe to say its use will not be allowed in general multiplayer? Career only?


It would be murderous to multi if they allow it. Crazy.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 5:53:11 PM(UTC)
Just watched a xbox clip by ams nightmare driving on nurburgring with friction assist on. He was able to just drive off track like it was tarmac. Why was an assist like this necessary exactly. Even if you were new to the game how would it be beneficial to you to learn how to drive improperly. I really dont think it will be allowed in mutiplayer but who knows at this point with this developer.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 6:12:56 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: im2fast4u711 Go to Quoted Post
Just watched a xbox clip by ams nightmare driving on nurburgring with friction assist on. He was able to just drive off track like it was tarmac. Why was an assist like this necessary exactly. Even if you were new to the game how would it be beneficial to you to learn how to drive improperly. I really dont think it will be allowed in mutiplayer but who knows at this point with this developer.
I believe I seen something in the demo about it invalidating lap times if used. The way my TX chattered using it,i won't use it and take a chance of messing up my wheel,even though I have a 2nd wheel and pedal set.

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#6 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 6:34:21 PM(UTC)
Since it invalidates laps I'll only use it in career in the wet if needed.

On a somewhat related note, I'm so glad the puddles have been subdued as well. May not need the F. Assist at all.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 7:27:47 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: T REX 5753 Go to Quoted Post
When I used it,my TX wheel made a weird chattering noise,so I won't be using it.


Your wheel did, that's a strange one lol I'm using a controller so I guess that doesn't effect me.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 7:28:59 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DUST2DEATH Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GTR CesarsWrath Go to Quoted Post


I know using Friction Assist will not allow for valid leaderboard times. Is it safe to say its use will not be allowed in general multiplayer? Career only?


It would be murderous to multi if they allow it. Crazy.


It would be massively OP in multiplayer in wet conditions.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 7:30:26 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: im2fast4u711 Go to Quoted Post
Just watched a xbox clip by ams nightmare driving on nurburgring with friction assist on. He was able to just drive off track like it was tarmac. Why was an assist like this necessary exactly. Even if you were new to the game how would it be beneficial to you to learn how to drive improperly. I really dont think it will be allowed in mutiplayer but who knows at this point with this developer.


I can neither answer that with logic or reason lol
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 7:44:39 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: ZEROF0RCE Go to Quoted Post
Since it invalidates laps I'll only use it in career in the wet if needed.

On a somewhat related note, I'm so glad the puddles have been subdued as well. May not need the F. Assist at all.


Yea regardless of the settings I tested the puddles are alot better and you can run through them without the front of the car dive in. Alot more manageable.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 10:47:50 PM(UTC)
Pretty sure no one has confirmed that Friction Assist will invalidate lap times per se, all they've said was you can't use it to get good lap times by cutting corners because cutting invalidates lap times anyway.

There has never been an assist in FM that invalidates lap times on its own, and given where it sits in the UI it would be a pretty bad bit of game design if this one does.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 10:57:26 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Zedeeyen Go to Quoted Post
Pretty sure no one has confirmed that Friction Assist will invalidate lap times per se, all they've said was you can't use it to get good lap times by cutting corners because cutting invalidates lap times anyway.

There has never been an assist in FM that invalidates lap times on its own, and given where it sits in the UI it would be a pretty bad bit of game design if this one does.


It says lap time submissions are disabled when using it.

Edited by user Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:01:30 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#13 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:00:49 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: GTR CesarsWrath Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: T REX 5753 Go to Quoted Post
When I used it,my TX wheel made a weird chattering noise,so I won't be using it.


Your wheel did, that's a strange one lol I'm using a controller so I guess that doesn't effect me.
Yes,it was like my wheel was doing a weird vibration,i could feel in holding the wheel,when I turned it off,it went away.

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#14 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:07:11 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: holden4ever Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Zedeeyen Go to Quoted Post
Pretty sure no one has confirmed that Friction Assist will invalidate lap times per se, all they've said was you can't use it to get good lap times by cutting corners because cutting invalidates lap times anyway.

There has never been an assist in FM that invalidates lap times on its own, and given where it sits in the UI it would be a pretty bad bit of game design if this one does.


It says lap time submissions are disabled when using it.



That would do it!
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, September 19, 2017 11:21:06 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DUST2DEATH Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GTR CesarsWrath Go to Quoted Post


I know using Friction Assist will not allow for valid leaderboard times. Is it safe to say its use will not be allowed in general multiplayer? Career only?


It would be murderous to multi if they allow it. Crazy.


When I asked Bill Giese and Dan Greenawalt about Friction Assist (via Twitter) back in June they said it will be available in Multiplayer.

If it truly is 8 seconds a lap faster in the wet I'm turning it on for every wet race. While I have enough personal skill and pride to run most races without assists that time gain is larger than anything you can get from a tune or good car selection; if you don't have Friction Assist enabled in a wet Multiplayer race your chances of winning are greatly diminished.

Edited by user Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:05:12 AM(UTC)  | Reason: .

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#16 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 5:06:48 AM(UTC)
So you were 9 seconds faster with friction assist on and no traction for both wet and dry?

That's literally insane.

That's game breaking for multiplayer. Glad it makes the lap dirty for rivals.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 5:17:41 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: im2fast4u711 Go to Quoted Post
Just watched a xbox clip by ams nightmare driving on nurburgring with friction assist on. He was able to just drive off track like it was tarmac. Why was an assist like this necessary exactly. Even if you were new to the game how would it be beneficial to you to learn how to drive improperly. I really dont think it will be allowed in mutiplayer but who knows at this point with this developer.


Here is the video for those who haven't seen it: http://xboxdvr.com/gamer...ightmare/video/36713610

It would be a travesty if this is allowed in multiplayer. The assist were already putting players at a disadvantage for no benefit but this one seems to be game breaking.

Q: "Will this feature be single-player only?"

A: "Its an option in all modes, but we expect it to get most of it's usage in single player and split screen modes."
- Dan Greenawalt^

A: "Like all assists in game options players can create hoppers with it disabled. Higher tier multiplayer leagues will also have it disabled."
- Bill Giese^
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 5:24:31 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: PJTierney Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DUST2DEATH Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GTR CesarsWrath Go to Quoted Post


I know using Friction Assist will not allow for valid leaderboard times. Is it safe to say its use will not be allowed in general multiplayer? Career only?


It would be murderous to multi if they allow it. Crazy.


When I asked Bill Giese about Friction Assist (via Twitter) back in June he said it will be available in Multiplayer.

If it truly is 8 seconds a lap faster in the wet I'm turining it on for every wet race. That time gain is larger than anything you can get from a tune or good car selection.

You are kidding me.

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#19 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 5:34:18 AM(UTC)
this CANNOT be a setting in hoppers and multiplayer in general, if that is true i won't bother with multiplayer at all.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 5:55:01 AM(UTC)
It better not be in multiplayer is right, this would completely ruin the game. All the complaints about corner cutting and they add the perfect tool to continue doing it. Its funny that when people want more hardcore options in forza we're told to play another game, but less skilled players cant be bothered to learn how to actually play the game and have things like this added. Whats the point of adding wet surfaces if theres an assist that negates its effect.

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#21 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 5:57:45 AM(UTC)
So I noticed the option friction assist now exists and frankly this seems like a cheat.
For those who didn't know or noticed, this assist removes the different levels of
grip from different kinds of surfaces.

I understand the need to make the game accesible for new comers but do you really
need to provide the possibility to remove all challenge from the game?

The reason I am concerned is because if you are allowed to use this assist, it gives you
a clear advantage over your competitors online. And saying that everybody is welcome
to use it is not a good excuse. That's like saying every olympic competitor should be allowed
to use doping. It corrupts the competition...

Can someone shed some light at this?
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 6:16:56 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: FirePhoenixx115 Go to Quoted Post
this CANNOT be a setting in hoppers and multiplayer in general, if that is true i won't bother with multiplayer at all.

I'm with you on that one. Don't understand why ut was implemented in the first place in all honestly.
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 6:39:18 AM(UTC)
I too believe it should be banned from almost all Multiplayer Hoppers and Leagues.

The only places I can see it being okay to use are in Hoppers dedicated to Beginners (like the C-Glass Collisions Off Beginner Hopper from Forza Motorsport 6) or the bottom 2 Divisions of Leagues. Ban it everywhere else as a "flick this switch to gain 8 seconds a lap in the wet" option will pretty much negate all of Turn 10's efforts to balance cars and Classes with its PI and Homologation Features.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:14:38 AM(UTC)
I'm glad they finally put some friction assistance in the game to help all the players who enjoy corner cutting and ramming. They pay $ to play the game and and tired of always being in last place. friction assist is going to be in hoppers to balance the experience for all. I wish people would stop whining about this. it's only going to make the game more fun because now you have to deal with cutters and rammers on you all the way till the end race. instead of staking out until you come around next lap.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:33:53 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: PJTierney Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DUST2DEATH Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GTR CesarsWrath Go to Quoted Post


I know using Friction Assist will not allow for valid leaderboard times. Is it safe to say its use will not be allowed in general multiplayer? Career only?


It would be murderous to multi if they allow it. Crazy.


When I asked Bill Giese and Dan Greenawalt about Friction Assist (via Twitter) back in June they said it will be available in Multiplayer.

If it truly is 8 seconds a lap faster in the wet I'm turning it on for every wet race. While I have enough personal skill and pride to run most races without assists that time gain is larger than anything you can get from a tune or good car selection; if you don't have Friction Assist enabled in a wet Multiplayer race your chances of winning are greatly diminished.


Can't belive t10 are going to allow friction assit in multiplayer. Online is the main reason I play and this will completly ruin it. Is it too late for a refund? I'm not the type of person to say I won't buy it or that's the final straw but honestly this is the final straw.
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