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#1 Posted : Thursday, September 28, 2017 10:51:43 AM(UTC)


Hello everyone.

Today I'd like to share with you all my workflow for (re)creating logos in Forza games. This is a method that a few veteran players may already know of but for those that don't here's a short guide.



What you'll need:

  • A Windows 10 PC and the Xbox app.
  • An application called Glass2K.
  • An Xbox One and your Forza game of choice.*


* If you're playing Forza Horizon 3 on Windows 10 this guide may change. I play on Xbox One so I'll be writing from that perspective. My screenshots are from that game but the editor is the same in Forza Motorsport 7 so these tips will still apply.



What is Glass2K and why do I need it?

  • Glass2K is a small application that allows you to change the transparency of your windows on any Windows PC.
  • We will be using this to create an overlapping screen so that we can work directly on top of a reference image.




Step 1: Prepare your reference image.

  • Choose a logo to replicate. For this guide I am using a retro Tic-Tac logo that I had already saved for another project.
  • There are many places to find images of logos that you want to replicate. Google is the obvious choice but you can also look up logo repositories like Brands of the World.
  • You will want an image that is reasonably high resolution, ideally around 700px tall at the very least. This will allow your Forza version to be more accurate when it comes to the smaller details.
  • Once you have your image ready, save it to the Desktop and open it.






Step 2: Prepare your in-game editor.

  • On your Forza game, go to where you create a new Vinyl Group. In Forza Horizon 3 the menu path is [Autoshow] >[Garage] > [Designs and Paints] > [Create Vinyl Group].
  • Press {RS} until you have a dark background with no gridlines.
  • On your PC, start up Glass2K if you haven't already.
  • On your PC go to your Xbox app and {Right Click} anywhere on the screen.
  • You should now see a box with a list of percentages. Choose somewhere between 50% and 80%, this will make your Xbox app window transparent, allowing you to see the logo from [Step 1] behind it (See first image below).
  • Still on the Xbox app, select [Game Streaming] and stream your Xbox One to your PC. Be sure to select the highest quality setting if you haven't already.
  • If your screen now looks like the second image below, you're ready to make your logo.








Step 3: Create your logo in-game.

  • There are no shortcuts for this, you'll need to use the various in-game Vinyl Shapes to make your logo. Every Forza painter has a different set of core shapes that they use to make everything, and you'll find your preferences the more you work with the tool.
  • During this step you should only use whites, blacks and grays for the various elements of the logo. We're focusing on shapes right now and not colour.
  • Using your reference image, try and get your ingame version as close to the real logo as possible. This will take varying amounts of time depending on the complexity of the logo and the experience of the painter. For reference, I've been a Forza painter for about 6 years, and a logo like this would take me about an hour to complete.
  • Once you've gotten the logo to a level of accuracy you're happy with, you can stop streaming from your PC and send your screen back to your Xbox One.






Step 4: Apply accurate colours.

  • Go to this website.
  • Upload your reference image from [Step 1].
  • Use the Eyedropper tool to pull various colour values from the image.
  • Back in Forza, select a group of layers that you wish to colour.
  • Open the colour picker and press {X} to open [Colour Fine Tune].
  • Input the values you obtained from the website.
  • Repeat the process for every colour in your logo.






And there you have it, a simple method to guarantee you have the most accurate in-game versions of real-life logos possible.

Edited by user Thursday, September 28, 2017 10:53:08 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#2 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 2:25:03 AM(UTC)
Thank you PJ for the info, looks like I'll have to get a PC
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#3 Posted : Friday, September 29, 2017 4:34:01 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Liam286 Go to Quoted Post
Thank you PJ for the info, looks like I'll have to get a PC


You could also go the old-fashioned way and print off logos before taping them to your TV ;)

(I... actually did that before I came across this digital method)
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#4 Posted : Sunday, October 1, 2017 11:07:14 AM(UTC)
Question for you sir....Can this be done on any old PC, like say an old laptop thats trying to die? Or does it need to be powerful enough to run games? Because I'll give you 3 guesses which one I (might) have access to.....
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#5 Posted : Sunday, October 1, 2017 11:17:09 AM(UTC)
This is great, PJ! It took a little while to get everything set up (I've never streamed to my PC/laptop before). But once I did, I was able to knock out a logo in about 30 minutes. Just need to clean it up a little bit back on the console and it'll be good to go
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:48:44 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Barrybarfly Go to Quoted Post
Question for you sir....Can this be done on any old PC, like say an old laptop thats trying to die? Or does it need to be powerful enough to run games? Because I'll give you 3 guesses which one I (might) have access to.....

The short answer is that it can be done on any device whose Xbox app allows you to stream your console gameplay without any stuttering.

For reference my home Desktop is an Acer I bought off the shelf of an Argos in 2010; hasn't been upgraded, hasn't died on me yet, and it does the job just fine.

I'll never be able to play a decent game on this (it struggles to run Photoshop when I work on big files) but I have an Xbox for that anyway ;)

Originally Posted by: Makk Loud Go to Quoted Post
This is great, PJ! It took a little while to get everything set up (I've never streamed to my PC/laptop before). But once I did, I was able to knock out a logo in about 30 minutes. Just need to clean it up a little bit back on the console and it'll be good to go


That's the best way to go about it. Normally my logos are fine but having a bigger screen to touch them up on can help sometimes.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, October 3, 2017 7:54:47 AM(UTC)
The wife (her laptop) will be thrilled..... 😂😂😂😂😂

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#8 Posted : Tuesday, October 3, 2017 8:20:07 AM(UTC)
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The wife (her laptop) will be thrilled..... 😂😂😂😂😂


No Windows 10!!!! 😭😭😭 lol
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, October 4, 2017 7:36:51 AM(UTC)
Great idea pity I'm in the same boat as Barry,long time no speak mr barfly didn't think u were on Xbox anymore.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, October 4, 2017 11:10:06 AM(UTC)
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Great idea pity I'm in the same boat as Barry,long time no speak mr barfly didn't think u were on Xbox anymore.



Got one dirt cheap for forza......not working out great so far tbh. Games a mess. 🙁
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#11 Posted : Saturday, October 7, 2017 11:21:44 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: PJTierney Go to Quoted Post
Normally my logos are fine but having a bigger screen to touch them up on can help sometimes.


I have my X1 hooked up to my 27" computer monitor- I find that works great for the paint booth because I'm practically right up to it while I'm working. Can really catch those mismatched lines a lot easier.

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#12 Posted : Sunday, October 8, 2017 9:32:27 AM(UTC)
For those of us using PC, the only thing you need to change is that the screen you're going to make transparent is Forza.

Just open up the image you want to make, then position it on the screen. Open up FM7 or FH3 (whichever you like better) and use ctrl + shift + 1-0 until you see the image underneath well enough.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:21:38 AM(UTC)
Another perk of playing on pc :D
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#14 Posted : Sunday, October 15, 2017 11:13:31 AM(UTC)
This way of using transparent windows is not one I use. Ever since the dawn of Forza vinyl editors, I've used a completely different method.

I google to find a high def image of the logo I want to make, then measure it on the screen with a tape measure. At the same time (I have two monitors - one for the Xbox, and one for my PC) I use the Forza vinyl editor where I add the shapes in the same sizes as what I just measured, or make rectangles for odd shapes that I know will need to fit inside that rectangle.

For really complex logos/design elements, I use a coordinate/grid method, where I draw lines (using Photoshop) in the source image to get coordinates for key points in the image. Then I create a box in the vinyl editor with those same coordinates, which I mark with the star shape. Once I have enough stars, it's more or less a connect-the-dots (stars) task to create the replica.

This is quite a time-consuming method, but it's the one I've done from the start and feel comfortable with.

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, October 18, 2017 11:45:18 PM(UTC)
to the op, that's a real high tech way of doing things to guarantee accuracy.

back in the days of FM2 I had the 360 hooked up to a fairly big monitor, sort of like a pc setup way so my face was like 2 inches from the screen the whole time & using tracing paper taped to screen lol
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#16 Posted : Saturday, October 21, 2017 11:31:36 AM(UTC)
Sweedish: it’s all about whatever feels right for you, no “wrong” way to go about this. :)

Originally Posted by: Guest Go to Quoted Post
to the op, that's a real high tech way of doing things to guarantee accuracy.

back in the days of FM2 I had the 360 hooked up to a fairly big monitor, sort of like a pc setup way so my face was like 2 inches from the screen the whole time & using tracing paper taped to screen lol


I’ve done the tracing paper method before, but I’m sure as hell not doing that on a big 4K TV, that’s thing’s too expensive for tape to go on top of which is why I prefer the digital method ;)
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, October 24, 2017 6:49:35 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: PJTierney Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Liam286 Go to Quoted Post
Thank you PJ for the info, looks like I'll have to get a PC


You could also go the old-fashioned way and print off logos before taping them to your TV ;)

(I... actually did that before I came across this digital method)


Ha ha, that's how i did it. This is a much better way, though my laptop keeps over heating and switching off.

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#18 Posted : Sunday, October 29, 2017 10:00:41 AM(UTC)
This is brilliant. Can't believe I only just tried it. It's so much faster and easier to make logos it almost feels like I'm cheating haha.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, November 1, 2017 3:51:18 PM(UTC)
An awesome tutorial was very simple. I will be using this for other things also like making watch faces for my smart-watch except the only difference will be using photoshop instead of Xbox app
im working on making a Pandem Rocket Bunny wide body BRZ.

My Work 1st ever :
Rocket Bunny Hand Logo

Original:
Original

Heres my Referance Image:
[img]https://pandemusa.com/products/pandem-frs-brz-v3[/img]


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#20 Posted : Thursday, November 2, 2017 8:03:37 AM(UTC)
Once again thanks for this amazing tutorial here is my finished car
https://www.youtube.com/...amp;video_id=h4e2Ugf1usY
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:16:17 AM(UTC)
Unfortunately for me I use a Mac. I would love to create the logos on that and import them to a thumbdrive and plug it into the xbox.
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#22 Posted : Monday, November 20, 2017 2:08:33 PM(UTC)
This is great. Way easier than FM2 days. Since I lost all the designs Ive done over the years Ive been kinda putoff trying to build them all again. This might get me in the paint booth again. I can already see the time savings.
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#23 Posted : Friday, November 24, 2017 12:17:10 AM(UTC)
I'm old school drawing since 1yr old at 3yrs Iwas drawing police cars.Studied Graphic design at college typography I could do freehand.Now this forza editor my knowledge of the shapes is key in keeping the layer count low.This software app. makes many complex designs easy to transfer to Forza.
The Real DRDELUX design& livery creation for Forza4,5,&6 and Horizon2 I'm now on facebook.The RealDRDELUX .
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, December 13, 2017 11:18:42 PM(UTC)
This is amazing! I feel like this just pulled me out of the dark ages of having my laptop right next to my TV and trying to get it as close as possible. This actually guarantees the most accurate replica possible. +1 for the great idea!
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#25 Posted : Saturday, December 30, 2017 7:56:05 AM(UTC)
Do you know if this is possible with a mac computer?
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