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#1 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:24:38 AM(UTC)
I participated in the Recreational Series on FH3, posting a time weekly. I'm a decent racer, but I'm not particularly keen on hardcore competition--I was satisfied with a peak position of 17th in Week 5. Like many of you, I had just about given up on receiving anything at all; however, I found an email sitting in my inbox this morning: I believe this prize was for Week 5, which means that at least 7 people received larger prizes for their performance in weeks prior.
This implies that T10 is working on distributing the cars as well, although I haven't booted my game to check. If they haven't sent the cars out yet, then I would expect them to arrive over the coming weeks (considering the significant chasm between 175 and 40,000 usernames, I think it's reasonable to give them a bit more time). I also believe it's reasonable to conclude that the number of participants was higher than expected, but by how much is unclear. I'm not necessarily defending their perceived inaction, but it's good to remember that T10 employees are only human. I would have preferred getting the prizes sooner, but, for lack of a better phrase, at least it's better than nothing.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:02:10 AM(UTC)
Still doesn't excuse their lack of communication.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:03:19 AM(UTC)
Wait, so this is real? I got one this morning for the swag item but figured it was a scam. I mean our address and phone number are in our details for the Xbox account. They already have access to it so why ask for it again? I'm just too skeptical of it to respond at the moment.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:46:16 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Stig Assassin Go to Quoted Post
Wait, so this is real?


That is their actual email address and I got 3 emails about my different prizes which is accurate because I won more than just the swag item.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:11:44 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Fujiwara Bunta Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Stig Assassin Go to Quoted Post
Wait, so this is real?


That is their actual email address and I got 3 emails about my different prizes which is accurate because I won more than just the swag item.

This is the quandary in a nutshell, is it not? The email address appears to be legitimate, but I have a few concerns. Firstly, I qualify for a "Season Pass," so why would I need to hand over my address and phone number? It's a digital code, isn't it? Secondly, with regards to your three emails about three separate prizes:
Quote:
"NEW RULE AMENDMENTS as of November 17, 2016:

As it pertains to physical prizes:

The weekly top 25 prizes in Forza Horizon 3
The weekly top 10 prizes in Forza Motorsport 6

Effective starting November 19, 2016 (impacting weeks 5-7), the 160 competitors who qualify for the Consolation or Elite Cups of the Elite series may not be eligible for prizes in the Recreation Series. This amendment will not impact results of the first three weeks in the Recreation Series. In addition, no player may win more than one prize per season. The prize rewarded to a player will be based on the highest placement of that player for the season."

This is in the rules on ESL (https://play.eslgaming.com/forza/xbox/forzamotorsport6-one/open/championship-season-2-recreational-series/rules). The part I've highlighted appears contradictory. If no player may win more than one prize per season, then why do you get three?

There's also this:
Quote:
"Winners may be required to sign an affidavit of eligibility, liability release, publicity release (unless prohibited by law), and tax documents (the “Documents”). If you do not complete the required Documents as instructed and/or return the required Documents within the time period listed on the Winner notification message, the prize will be awarded to a runner-up Winner.

Prizes may not be substituted for cash or any other merchandise or services. However, if for any reason an advertised prize is unavailable, Sponsors reserve the right to substitute a prize of equal or greater value. Prizes are non-transferrable; if a winner is unable or unwilling to accept a prize it will be award it to a runner-up Winner. Prize winners are solely responsible for all applicable taxes related to accepting the prize. Prizes won by a minor may be awarded to a parent/legal guardian on minor’s behalf."

There was no time limit posted within my "Winner notification message."

I also worry whether I've breached anything by sharing the existence of the email:
Quote:
"3.5. Confidentiality
All communication between Recreation Series participants and administration are confidential and must not be made public by the participant without prior permission by Microsoft."

The more I look into this, the weirder it seems...
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:28:13 PM(UTC)
Quote:
This amendment will not impact results of the first three weeks in the Recreation Series.


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#7 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:31:35 PM(UTC)
It would be nice to have a moderator answer this, so see if it is legit. But the email is the same one Turn 10 has listed as to email to get support, so that's good. And if it was a scam, why are they not "giving" us all the best prize, and everyone has different ones? Mine is correct, I ranked for the swag item, and that is what is listed. And on top of that, how did they get the records of who actually won if they are only accessible to Turn 10 at this point? But yes, Moderators, it would be nice if you could confirm for us.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:45:31 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DarkraiSpeed Go to Quoted Post
It would be nice to have a moderator answer this, so see if it is legit. But the email is the same one Turn 10 has listed as to email to get support, so that's good. And if it was a scam, why are they not "giving" us all the best prize, and everyone has different ones? Mine is correct, I ranked for the swag item, and that is what is listed. And on top of that, how did they get the records of who actually won if they are only accessible to Turn 10 at this point? But yes, Moderators, it would be nice if you could confirm for us.


That's a logical counter, and I agree with you. My skepticism is directed towards the ambiguity in the rules, specifically this clause:
Quote:
"Effective starting November 19, 2016 (impacting weeks 5-7), the 160 competitors who qualify for the Consolation or Elite Cups of the Elite series may not be eligible for prizes in the Recreation Series. This amendment will not impact results of the first three weeks in the Recreation Series. In addition, no player may win more than one prize per season. The prize rewarded to a player will be based on the highest placement of that player for the season."

My main issue is with the statement "In addition, no player may win more than one prize per season." Does this only apply to the final three weeks? Does the term "season" just refer to the last three weeks? And, if so, what was the purpose of including the last part at all? Obviously, certain people were already awarded prizes if I qualified for a Season Pass (5th-10th) with a #17 time in week 5. If someone consistently ranked first in Weeks 1-3, then would they receive three gaming seats? What's the purpose of holding a competition if you can't even follow your own rules?

Edit: Now that I'm at it, what happened to Week 4? The number 4 doesn't appear once in the amendment I've quoted.

Edited by user Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:55:06 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#9 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2017 1:40:04 PM(UTC)
It's a dumb rule. I won the steering wheel and the playseat but i can't get both probably . Instead they gave me a season pass...they should have done a thing like this : 1 playseat , 1 steering wheel , 1 season pass and 1 swag item per user. There are guys who will win both of course because i am the stupid guy who improved his pace later but my effort and time wasted are irrelevant it seems.

Edited by user Tuesday, February 7, 2017 2:05:18 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#10 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2017 2:04:26 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: HTD Dawg Go to Quoted Post

There was no time limit posted within my "Winner notification message."


Same, but I bet that part would only apply to the highest level prizes worth a couple hundred dollars.

I'm mainly skeptical because I don't remember finishing higher than around 50th, but I wasn't following it that closely. It would be nice to have a moderator or employee confirm this so we can know for sure.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2017 2:05:40 PM(UTC)
It has come from forza's email address so is legit.

I suspect the email was automated though because digital prizes are not delivered physically.

If you won a physical prize they do need your address. They do not have access to your details.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, February 7, 2017 2:52:30 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: HTD Dawg Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DarkraiSpeed Go to Quoted Post
It would be nice to have a moderator answer this, so see if it is legit. But the email is the same one Turn 10 has listed as to email to get support, so that's good. And if it was a scam, why are they not "giving" us all the best prize, and everyone has different ones? Mine is correct, I ranked for the swag item, and that is what is listed. And on top of that, how did they get the records of who actually won if they are only accessible to Turn 10 at this point? But yes, Moderators, it would be nice if you could confirm for us.


That's a logical counter, and I agree with you. My skepticism is directed towards the ambiguity in the rules, specifically this clause:
Quote:
"Effective starting November 19, 2016 (impacting weeks 5-7), the 160 competitors who qualify for the Consolation or Elite Cups of the Elite series may not be eligible for prizes in the Recreation Series. This amendment will not impact results of the first three weeks in the Recreation Series. In addition, no player may win more than one prize per season. The prize rewarded to a player will be based on the highest placement of that player for the season."

My main issue is with the statement "In addition, no player may win more than one prize per season." Does this only apply to the final three weeks? Does the term "season" just refer to the last three weeks? And, if so, what was the purpose of including the last part at all? Obviously, certain people were already awarded prizes if I qualified for a Season Pass (5th-10th) with a #17 time in week 5. If someone consistently ranked first in Weeks 1-3, then would they receive three gaming seats? What's the purpose of holding a competition if you can't even follow your own rules?

Edit: Now that I'm at it, what happened to Week 4? The number 4 doesn't appear once in the amendment I've quoted.


T10 doesn't even try to communicate with people . They don't think things like "what does this guy is gonna do with a steering wheel chair without an actual steering wheel?"...instead they basically ban week 1-4 winners from the competition because of a guy who was eligible for THREE Playseats . Geez , i am happy and disappointed at the same time .
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#13 Posted : Friday, February 10, 2017 1:26:31 PM(UTC)
The stakes just got raised. Since this sounded legitimate with several of us getting the email the same day and it looking like it's the official Forza email, I replied with the information requested a few days ago. Earlier today I got a text saying my Bank of America account has been suspended along with an account number, which I don't have one. This could be a coincidence that I get a phishing scam so close to the same time, but I need a real answer. If anyone from the company that is aware of this being real could take 5 seconds to type "It's real" you would put a lot of us at ease. Especially me since I don't know if my identity was just stolen because of this. I've been a fan of the series and T10 for many years, but you guys seriously need to get your act together when it comes to communication with the community.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:33:51 PM(UTC)
I was not involved in previous dlc code debacles. So to get our car pass code for FH3 what hoops do we need to jump through? I sent them my details even though they should not be needed for dlc codes.
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#15 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:54:14 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: SatNiteEduardo Go to Quoted Post
I was not involved in previous dlc code debacles. So to get our car pass code for FH3 what hoops do we need to jump through? I sent them my details even though they should not be needed for dlc codes.


Well, for the first season, we were left in the dark for months on end, some receiving them, most not. Days turn into weeks. Weeks turned into months, and still nothing. Had it not been for Mambusa over on the ESL forums, I doubt a lot of us would have received what was promised to us. Before that, contacting ESL about it we were told that it was T10/MS responsibility. Contacting them, we got told that it was ESL's responsibility.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:47:34 AM(UTC)
I would not consider mailing address and phone number personal information. Anyone can get that if they want to. Very easy. A scammer would have to have more than that. Besides even if your middle initial was missing it's no longer personal information.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:20:48 AM(UTC)
If the emails you have received have come from the forzafb@microsoft.com email then they are legit. Please respond if you have received one with the details required if you haven't already :)

Edited by user Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:27:40 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#18 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:14:07 AM(UTC)
I am still waiting the Logitech G win notification which i earned with my 4th place in week 6 Helios10.

By the way , i hope you will send codes through e-mails for the Season Pass.

Edited by user Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:15:43 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#19 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2017 12:11:09 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: SiDicoaTeLoL Go to Quoted Post
I am still waiting the Logitech G win notification which i earned with my 4th place in week 6 Helios10.

By the way , i hope you will send codes through e-mails for the Season Pass.


From week 4 onwards you only win 1 prize. Your week 5 was your best result so that is the prize you get.

Read the latest week in review article. It has a link to the results.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2017 5:33:15 PM(UTC)
OK, so I got an email saying I won a swag item. I didn't think that was right but wasn't sure because I didn't get a chance to see the leaderboards before they disappeared those Monday mornings. I received a beanie, pin and wristband with an FRC logo ... surprisingly high quality, I must say.

But today I go to the posted results and for Week 6 I'm in the #4 position with the listed prize being the Logitech wheel. I did hit swag item range in week 4, so could it be that I got a week 4 prize but the week 6 prize is still coming?

EDIT: I received 2 emails but didn't notice the second. However, instead of a Logitech steering wheel for a 4th place finish, the email said I get a Logitech gaming headphone. Uh, what?

EDIT 2: Despite the rules I assume that Manteo Max copied and pasted, I just now checked the official rules and 3rd and 4th get Logitech "products", not necessarily a Logitech "G Wheel". Great.

Edited by user Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:17:44 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#21 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:14:02 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: SatNiteEduardo Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: SiDicoaTeLoL Go to Quoted Post
I am still waiting the Logitech G win notification which i earned with my 4th place in week 6 Helios10.

By the way , i hope you will send codes through e-mails for the Season Pass.


From week 4 onwards you only win 1 prize. Your week 5 was your best result so that is the prize you get.

Read the latest week in review article. It has a link to the results.


The list is embarassing . It shows people like "SPGP Bruno" listed 3 or 4 times in standings (week 7 too)...while my 4th place of week 6 is not there like it doesn't exist . What a joke .

The Playseat didn't come at my home yet and i am worried hearing that someone already received it's prize .

Edited by user Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:20:39 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#22 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:19:36 PM(UTC)
From week 4 onwards what happens is any time other than each persons best is deleted from the leaderboards. Everyone's best positions then move up in that week's table.

It is because they changed the rules so only 1 prize per person after week 3.

People can win any prizes in week 1-3 and then win 1 more prize after that.

EDIT: I am confused by Bruno's positions. I would have thought after week 4 he should not have appeared again. As far as I knew it worked as I said above - keep each persons top position for week 4-7 and delete anything other than their top position. I wonder if they did not deal with duplicates correctly ie people finishing in the same position twice.

Edited by user Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:24:28 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#23 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:28:43 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: SatNiteEduardo Go to Quoted Post
From week 4 onwards what happens is any time other than each persons best is deleted from the leaderboards. Everyone's best positions then move up in that week's table.

It is because they changed the rules so only 1 prize per person after week 3.

People can win any prizes in week 1-3 and then win 1 more prize after that.

EDIT: I am confused by Bruno's positions. I would have thought after week 4 he should not have appeared again. As far as I knew it worked as I said above - keep each persons top position for week 4-7 and delete anything other than their top position. I wonder if they did not deal with duplicates correctly ie people finishing in the same position twice.


I just read the rules and the one prize amendment effects weeks 5-7. Week 4 governed by original rules. That explains Bruno's positions.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:50:08 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: O Bleak Genius Go to Quoted Post

I just read the rules and the one prize amendment effects weeks 5-7. Week 4 governed by original rules. That explains Bruno's positions.


I thought I read week 4 somewhere but that does explain it, so they actually got it right by the looks of that.

Sux to be fast in the second half of the comp lol

Edited by user Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:50:57 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#25 Posted : Wednesday, March 22, 2017 4:33:19 AM(UTC)
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Got my swag from T10 last night. Pretty Cool. Thank You!!!!!
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