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There is no doubt about it that PTG and everyone I thank in my tune posts and more are better tuners and drivers. But I go a different route, anyways, the one thing I wanted to say is that in Horizon 2 is not uncommon to switch to AWD. That switch usually brings the race transmission down to 1 or 2 PI cost. So for me it is a smart choice, in Horizon 2, when going AWD.

I thought you were comparing stock to race transmission without the drivetrain swap.

With the drivetrain swap yes it is a different story.

Still wouldn't do it.

1-2 PI points can be 30 pounds off of a car in wheels, extra tire width, it can be 4 hp, it can be a lot of things that are worth far more than gearing in anything not a Honda or '03 Celica. In a lot of cases I would take a rim diameter increase that adds weight to the vehicle over a transmission upgrade.

I would absolutely love to put a race gearbox in every car and have always wished it to be beneficial but game after game it is not.

Usually the only time I do put in the race transmission is when I'm getting a car to a sufficiently high class and it's getting all the engine upgrades anyways. Typically S2 and X and I don't have a whole pot of cars there. Most of my cars end up in B and A and maybe S1.

That's because drivetrain swaps automatically come equipped with a 6 speed with adjustable final drive as the "stock" transmission. This is reflected in the PI when you apply the swap. So while it may only cost a couple PI to upgrade to a fully customizable race gearbox, you've already added as much as a dozen PI by applying a new drivetrain w/ 6 speed.

It's for this reason that I generally like to stick to native AWD and RWD vehicles in lieu of drivetrain swaps. I've made a handful of AWD conversions that do well against AI and your average online players, but when I use them in rivals mode I find that they are rarely competitive against other cars in my garage. This is especially noticeable in lower classes. A typical AWD conversion adds PI and weight with the trade off being improved launch and acceleration. These stats are relative though, because I can keep the same car RWD, add power and wider rear tires and with proper throttle control I am able to catch up to my AWD ghost before shifting into 3rd gear.

Edited by user Friday, November 21, 2014 10:06:19 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I wanted to know what the Default gears for 7, 9, 10 and 12 speed is ?