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Why compromise?.. When we can actually have all? ("Drive Anytime")


Feedback welcome.

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Thus making the game worse overall and sells worse thereby? Sounds implausible...



But that's apparently what has to be fixed in the future series...

Rather than using the new game as the test ground (which is no doubt gonna attract lots of attention), testing things first in a game that's approaching its end of life seems wiser.



Bolstering the sales metrics should be of more use.

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3 problems of "Custom Events":

• Drivatars (not everyone wants a race)
  
• Checkpoints & Wrong Way Reset (intrusive design)
  
• Lack of Traffic

But what if things improved with perfect backward compatibility?..

Old players can still enjoy the game in the way they get used to, undisturbed; while new capabilities are added to enable new possibilities, for those who seek a change, and potential new players.



What has been troubled me: Core of the game?..

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1 major difference is the lack of icy (frozen) road surfaces, thus the overall compromised driving experience.

The same also applies to the enforced weather. (downplayed aquaplaning effect in wet conditions)

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I think a hybrid of open world and non-open world would be the perfect solution.


Somewhat related:

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Hmm?.. But does this aid the game's sales?

Probably related: Core of the game?..

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So they can make themselves out of the business in an unprecedented speed?..

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We enjoy the game differently. Nothing spectacular.

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Negligibly I fear... It's not a main factor.

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...It's merely the fact that nothing enjoys parsing a bunch of text walls.

Thus the famous saying: "Garbage in, garbage out". (no offence intended)

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This sort of data cost little storage.

Edited by user Tuesday, March 31, 2020 9:52:59 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Personally, I like the seasons. FH4 is two games for me.....one are the weekly forzathon challenges which I do with a controller to save up points for those rare cars I missed or struggle with unlocking.
The second is the cruising aspect, for that I use my wheel and it becomes a much 'harder' game, mostly with a wheel I can't easily drive 3rd person and I struggle to recover from spins...aka: more realistic so you have to drive more consciously depending on what car you're in. With a controller I can do first/third person and drift/slide to my hearts content. I know some people at Playground must be fans of the last two Project Gotham Racing games because they have nailed that feeling *perfectly*, including the weather/night effects.....and that in my humble opinion was the best racing on any console up to that point (arcade-ish racing, that is). Horizon scratches that itch.

What I personally want, and I think everyone wants this, is more surface area and more roads. Having 1 stretch of superhighway and 1 lengthy route 'around' is simply not enough. I get why they make the Fortune Island map but, again, when 75% of your cars are for road and track.....why not have more road and track. If Lego had been "Motorsports Island" with some built-in track layouts...why, would anyone have been disappointed? Motorsports Island with tracks and then roads connecting the tracks.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of having mostly "open hoonigan space and dirt roads" everywhere, I'd be putting more tarmac down and more elevation changes, but FH4 is very much a more interesting game than FH3. Tried to go back to FH3, was amazed at how little road there was in that game and how quickly you could get around the map without trying very hard and how utterly flat it was, you can only race through the subtropical jungle area so many times before going "damn I wish this was the entire half of the map"....... Also forgot how hard the trees are down in 'stralia ;)

Edited by user Sunday, March 29, 2020 8:07:28 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Here is my take then.
I really enjoy winter, I love driving in snow or rain - fast (IRL and in game).
I like it that I can enjoy and experience all season in only a month.
I also like to build my car to drive well on snow, not just in perfect sunny dry conditions.

Lastly I'm here to have fun and FH4 as is provides for me.

It needs deeper snow and white-out blizzards!

Short attention span or just poor reading skills?

Nobody here is complaining about winter though, it's how little the difference is with the other 3 when it was the main thing this game shouted about before release.

Adding to that is how the championships and online races have pre-determined conditions so can make the seasons feature even more pointless, there's been summer events in the rain before now and online adventure can take place in any season.

I doubt anyone's going to base their decision of buying FH5 on whether seasons is present or not.

their fear was too much data ... like if having more races people would do more rivals ... most of us a going there for testing cars and learning tracks without being annoyed by other cars, being on leaderboard being the little plus

Neither. Thanks for your concern. LOL

I rather like the seasons. They are easy enough, quick to do, but still provide some challenge, you get to mix things up a bit, and get new cars.

The only two things I don’t like are the playground games and the time factor.

The playground games are just boring and they take entirely too long. Just make them single game at least, I don’t think you could find more than a handful of people in all of Forzadom that actually enjoy forced random grouping best of 5. It’s just a time sink, the gaming world has much better time sinks...

The time factor is much less of an issue but I do think it would be nice to have a catch up or something similar. People go out of town have busy weeks etc. The game has enough cars now that it could be a very long time before one someone missed shows back up as a reward again.

I completely agree about the Playground Games. I hate that I'm forced to do them to get the weekly points. Not fun at all.

From the OP (and I could quote even more ranting about winter if I wanted!)

"Not sure if it's true, but I heard that 2/3rds of the playerbase disappear during winter. If it is, I'm not surprised one bit. Winter is the bane of my enjoyment with this game."

well, the original post was a pain in the eyes. Followed by too many pointless suggestions.

I did read a few bits from those I recognize as regular, wise players that faithfully offer useful advice.

He's in the minority then, winter's the only one where this feature is any degree of worthwhile.

I rather ignored OP after reading it once, that was enough despite agreeing with parts of it.

Still don't think the feature is much use though overall, like someone previously mentioned my bet is that it was more likely made to fit around it's trash 'I can't be bothered to make a lasting bug free game for release' live service model, not to enhance the game.

Although I play FH4 quite a bit (423 hours driving so far) I'm not a hard-core gamer. And I like the season changes. Winter's not my favorite, but I love to see the broom blossoming at the road in the spring time, the baled hay in the fields in the fall, and the sheep quietly grazing across the road from my little thatched cottage when I putt out to the end of the driveway and pause for a moment to look around at the scene and the weather. The fall color in the trees can be spectacular in free roam in autumn.

Edited by user Monday, March 30, 2020 8:41:27 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

It puzzles me that Forza Motorsport has wet LBs and Forza Horizon does not have season-specific ones.

I am very much aware that many enjoy the winter season, so in no way would I ever advocate the removal of this season. But....

I do not like the winter season, probably because I live in NW Ohio and hate driving in this stuff in real life, and as such, only do the weekly forzathon challenges, and nothing else until Spring comes along.

I spend the winter weeks playing other games.

Funny enough, though, I usually have great success in the winter forzathons, and finish them quite quickly. I still don't like looking at the snow......

Edited by user Monday, March 30, 2020 8:09:54 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

NW Ohio, eh? Which part? I’m from Sandusky lol

Luckey. Hence, my user name, : )

Edited by user Monday, March 30, 2020 8:10:52 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Sorry to say this, but I feel this is just another thread about everything wrong with FH4 - seems to be a big hit lately, considering how many similar threads emerged.
People having too much time on their hands and all I see is hate lately ... is there really nothing good in FH4 (life?)?
And as I already said. if somebody has such a big problem with this game, why not just move on?

Ugh why are you getting so defensive? And why does everyone nowadays class saying you don't like something as 'hating on it'?

Perhaps rather than 'too much time on their hands' people get irritated by such a fantastic core being surrounded by so much garbage and unnecessary stuff?

People also have a right to a strong opinion on this mechanic as it was constantly shoved in our faces and used as a main selling point before release.

Go and hang out with that Clutch nixon guy if all you want to see is fawning, gushing and thinking this game is above criticism.

I think seasons is a reasonably decent addition to the game, without being in any way game changing. It showcases some very nice graphics and the changeable weather works well in the races - I had a great race in ranked yesterday where I built a large lead in dry conditions over the first lap and then the rain started - narrowly held on for the win with my car sliding all over the place.

Could they have done it so it wasn’t done in weekly stints? Of course. Is this a big issue? Not really - I guess it’s a bit irritating if you really hate the snow and like cruising around or are really into danger signs and speed zones. However, you can set any race you do to be in whatever conditions you want, so it makes zero difference to anyone who primarily likes single player racing.

@TheGillesMuller
I'm even gonna try to respond. Knock yourself out with this and other threads.

PS
Also congrats on being my first person here, to land on block list

Wow...I mean seriously...wow.

Says a lot though, the likes of NightDriver + gamer1000k who portray their views against things in FH4 use valid points and theories in well structured posts while this guy counters with nothing factual, says people have too much time on their hands (despite he himself coming on this forum as much as anyone else) then hits block over a post where the biggest insult towards him was calling him defensive.

Make your own mind up about what type of person acts like that.

This! 100%. (Except the "IRL" part, which is dangerous)

Knowing where it fails, realizing what could be done to avoid such failures.

The information can be valuable.



As I already said, and:


Either the game fixes the problems, improves and remains dominant in its current position; or, soon or later, a new franchise will rise up. Campaign against the old on exactly where it fails.

And I'm happy with either result.