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#51 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:14:55 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: V12 SprungBoss Go to Quoted Post
Even this forum peoples have been talking that they dont want that every car is just gifted to right away to anyone. And i enjoy myself getting something after completing challenge than getting same thing in free without any effort.

Still every time there is new car locked behind trial we hear "it's not fair that it's locked behind trial" at least in trial good drivers can carry not so good drivers to get prize. And at least it's not like orginal rip rod event where you need to get win against 11 other human player or behind rivals "reach time xx.xxx to get prize"


It's funny how, when it's in disagreement with the devs, this forum is a "small part of the fanbase", yet when is in support of their decisions, it magically becomes very important.

From what I've seen, here and on Discord, the only reason why people want exclusives to continue is so they feel better having something exclusive, which is, well, not very nice to people who love the cars but lack the skill.

I've said it countless times but, in a nutshell:

- This game is called "Horizon". As in, you know, the horizon in the background, implying freedom. The freedom to drive whatever you want and be whatever you want. The freedom to live the dream. Currently, this game does not let you do that. Almost 20% of the cars are locked behind things between stories, wheelspins or just plain exclusivity. This limits freedom. This prevents people from easily owning multiple builds, which has always been a staple of Forza.

- The Auction House is currently broken. Lots of people who cheesed their way to Legendary get to set whatever prices they want, while regular players have to make do with the fluctuating prices. And the auctions are extremely vulnerable to PC exploits, which aren't easy to ban. It's also slow and awkward to use (I haven't bought a car in the AH since forever).

- Locking cars behind online play is anti-consumer towards Xbox One players, who must pay for online as opposed to PC players. "Just get a PC" is not an answer. I own one, but I like the Xbox better, deal with it.

- Lots of exclusives are being added in simply to break the game (race cars like the Koenigsegg CCGT being the most obvious examples).

- The exclusive roster is much better than the paid DLC so far. I preordered Ultimate Edition and got a bunch of FM4/FH1 remasters, meme cars and Lego stuff, meanwhile the people who sub Game Pass for $1 have access to Bugatti Divo, Rimac C_Two, Aston Martin DBS Superleggera, 488 Pista...

- Winning team-based online challenges is not entirely reliant upon my skill. Especially true in Team Games but also applies to Trial. There are certain almost unwinnable combinations due to the playerbase either not being skilled enough, or simply not being smart to use the good cars.

- FE cars, which are truly deserving of exclusivity, have become worthless next to common cars like Hudson Hornet. PG has a bunch of FE cars they could port from FM7 and make them OP and exclusive instead, yet they choose not to.

Personally, I'm not even bothered by having to unlock stuff. I gladly did all of the showcases in FM7's career and have the achievement to prove it. It has always been the timed aspect of it that annoys me, but people tend to misinterpret, claiming me and others want to "have it easy", when it's simply not true.

I remember when TDU2 came out, there were cars locked behind club ownership, casinos... And I was vehemently against it. Always have been. TDU1 had none of this nonsense. Now I see something similar in Forza. I remain against it.

Waiting for so long to get the Pista only to have it available in a Trial is a kick in the nuts.

Edited by user Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:55:09 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#52 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:46:37 PM(UTC)
Most of the Trials aren't THAT bad. Sure, you won't win every single one but who expects or insists on this?
If you are capable of beating the AI in every race the Trial win shouln't take long. I'm doing most Trials numerous times and I would estimate my Trial win rate around 90%.
And I'm not providing more to the team than coming in front of every AI every time and not interferring too much with my team mates - something most forum members can achieve too.

Aside from the infamous Warthog Trial I never needed more than 3 attempts. I prefer Trial rewards over the percentage ones because latter are too boring.

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#53 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:58:04 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Rayne SE Go to Quoted Post
Most of the Trials aren't THAT bad. Sure, you won't win every single one but who expects or insists on this?
If you are capable of beating the AI in every race the Trial win shouln't take long. I'm doing most Trials numerous times and I would estimate my Trial win rate around 90%.
And I'm not providing more to the team than coming in front of every AI every time and not interferring too much with my team mates - something most forum members can achieve too.

Aside from the infamous Warthog Trial I never needed more than 3 attempts. I prefer Trial rewards over the percentage ones because latter are too boring.



You're also a good driver. You (and me) are not representative of most of the fanbase.

However, since the game is old, many people who remain are indeed skilled drivers... So finding a good team could be easier. Still, it's just speculation.
May the forced induction be with you.

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#54 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:17:01 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Lowe0 Go to Quoted Post
The most desirable car is locked behind multiplayer, again. What a surprise.


Love it
I enjoy doing the trials
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#55 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:21:01 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: NightDriver7800 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Jjahouan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Lowe0 Go to Quoted Post
The most desirable car is locked behind multiplayer, again. What a surprise.


So you rather complete 50% of the season that completing a one-time online race (If you convoy with the right people) ?


Yes, I do.

"Right people" are needles in a haystack.


Its not that hard to find the right people
There are plenty of people on here that have the same frame of mind and want to play as a team
And on discord as well..as YOU should know
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#56 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:28:04 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: BabySeal363 Go to Quoted Post
2019 Ferrari 488 Pista
Class: S2
Performance Index: 912
Speed: 8.0
Handling: 9.0
Acceleration: 8.0
Launch: 9.4
Braking: 9.6
Engine: Mid
Traction: Rear wheel drive
Rarity: Legendary

2018 ATS GT
Class: S1
Performance Index: 894
Speed: 8.3
Handling: 8.0
Acceleration: 7.7
Launch: 9.2
Braking: 8.6
Engine: Mid
Traction: Rear wheel drive
Rarity: Epic

1999 Lamborghini Diablo GTR
Class: S2
Performance Index: 915
Speed: 7.8
Handling: 9.9
Acceleration: 8.2
Launch: 9.1
Braking: 10
Engine: Mid
Traction: Rear wheel drive
Rarity: Legendary

1970 Ferrari 512 S
Class: S1
Performance Index: 872
Speed: 8.0
Handling: 8.0
Acceleration: 7.9
Launch: 9.0
Braking: 7.5
Engine: Mid
Traction: Rear wheel drive
Rarity: Legendary


Interesting seeing the Lambo GTR so high up the PI chain. Again, hopefully no engine swap needed to be competitive in S2. Although, I have a suspicion that the Pista will need one. Don’t see the Pista being an S1 rally car. Just strange to think of it with rally/snow tires on. PI looks too high anyways but we’ll see.
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#57 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:29:54 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Jjahouan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Lowe0 Go to Quoted Post
The most desirable car is locked behind multiplayer, again. What a surprise.


So you rather complete 50% of the season that completing a one-time online race (If you convoy with the right people) ?


I will reach 50% anyway. I reach 80-95ish% each season doing only stuff I want to do (except for the one online adventure I do every series). I often don't do the trial if I don't particularly want the car.
Besides, after the one online adventure and one rivals lap (for the whole series) it is just the 3 PR stunts and you're there!
I have probably spent more time on a single win of the Trial in the past than I have spent on getting 50% on all four seasons :D
Your IF is quite an IF though. I wouldn't know who to convoy with for a start.

Edited by user Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:30:52 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#58 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:44:00 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: AudibleJam509 Go to Quoted Post


Interesting seeing the Lambo GTR so high up the PI chain. Again, hopefully no engine swap needed to be competitive in S2. Although, I have a suspicion that the Pista will need one. Don’t see the Pista being an S1 rally car. Just strange to think of it with rally/snow tires on. PI looks too high anyways but we’ll see.


The Pista will be a dead car in S2. Even if it has the Racing V12 available. It probably comes stock with race tires, maybe with two weight reductions possible. With a starting handling of 9.0 it won't do much against the high-end cars with "race aero" (the low value ones). AWD-swap, off-road tires and then increasing the weight to possibly reach 900 seems to be the way to use it online.

If the Diablo GTR has a big weight reduction available (similiar to FM7) it could be an option for S2. Wide rear tires, hopefully "race aero" and probably the Racing V12 with weight reduction could be enough.

The ATS GT needs to lose enough PI through an AWD-swap to get in at least one weight reduction. Then it could be an S1 road option.

The 512S is hard to predict because those old race cars tend to suffer huge PI costs for AWD-swaps. Probably best run as RWD like both Porsche 917.
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#59 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 3:53:10 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: NightDriver7800 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: V12 SprungBoss Go to Quoted Post
Even this forum peoples have been talking that they dont want that every car is just gifted to right away to anyone. And i enjoy myself getting something after completing challenge than getting same thing in free without any effort.

Still every time there is new car locked behind trial we hear "it's not fair that it's locked behind trial" at least in trial good drivers can carry not so good drivers to get prize. And at least it's not like orginal rip rod event where you need to get win against 11 other human player or behind rivals "reach time xx.xxx to get prize"


It's funny how, when it's in disagreement with the devs, this forum is a "small part of the fanbase", yet when is in support of their decisions, it magically becomes very important.

From what I've seen, here and on Discord, the only reason why people want exclusives to continue is so they feel better having something exclusive, which is, well, not very nice to people who love the cars but lack the skill.

I've said it countless times but, in a nutshell:

- This game is called "Horizon". As in, you know, the horizon in the background, implying freedom. The freedom to drive whatever you want and be whatever you want. The freedom to live the dream. Currently, this game does not let you do that. Almost 20% of the cars are locked behind things between stories, wheelspins or just plain exclusivity. This limits freedom. This prevents people from easily owning multiple builds, which has always been a staple of Forza.

- The Auction House is currently broken. Lots of people who cheesed their way to Legendary get to set whatever prices they want, while regular players have to make do with the fluctuating prices. And the auctions are extremely vulnerable to PC exploits, which aren't easy to ban. It's also slow and awkward to use (I haven't bought a car in the AH since forever).

- Locking cars behind online play is anti-consumer towards Xbox One players, who must pay for online as opposed to PC players. "Just get a PC" is not an answer. I own one, but I like the Xbox better, deal with it.

- Lots of exclusives are being added in simply to break the game (race cars like the Koenigsegg CCGT being the most obvious examples).

- The exclusive roster is much better than the paid DLC so far. I preordered Ultimate Edition and got a bunch of FM4/FH1 remasters, meme cars and Lego stuff, meanwhile the people who sub Game Pass for $1 have access to Bugatti Divo, Rimac C_Two, Aston Martin DBS Superleggera, 488 Pista...

- Winning team-based online challenges is not entirely reliant upon my skill. Especially true in Team Games but also applies to Trial. There are certain almost unwinnable combinations due to the playerbase either not being skilled enough, or simply not being smart to use the good cars.

- FE cars, which are truly deserving of exclusivity, have become worthless next to common cars like Hudson Hornet. PG has a bunch of FE cars they could port from FM7 and make them OP and exclusive instead, yet they choose not to.

Personally, I'm not even bothered by having to unlock stuff. I gladly did all of the showcases in FM7's career and have the achievement to prove it. It has always been the timed aspect of it that annoys me, but people tend to misinterpret, claiming me and others want to "have it easy", when it's simply not true.

I remember when TDU2 came out, there were cars locked behind club ownership, casinos... And I was vehemently against it. Always have been. TDU1 had none of this nonsense. Now I see something similar in Forza. I remain against it.

Waiting for so long to get the Pista only to have it available in a Trial is a kick in the nuts.


PG throw most of freedom from this game in trash can right for the beginning like online adventure and rivals was for beginning there was not any freedom at all. Abaout locked cars it would be nice to when you unlock that car that would became available in car show so owning multiple copys would be mutch easier.

AH is now better than it was in launch, it's better to use and everyone can get better price for rare cars and i have allways says legendary status in auction house is really bad system.

Would that be better if cars like Divo, Pista, Apollo etc would be locked behind pay dlc? Sounds bit weird that you complain new cars locked behind trial because that needs xbox gold and sametime you also complain how people can get really nice cars for free instead of locking them behind paywall.

Online challenges are not reliant 100% of anyones skill but still somehow more skilfull players wins trials like 90% of time. Pretty mutch only times trial is feel unwinnable was warthog event where those two sprint races AI was really damn fast and it take really skilfull team to win that event.

Originally Posted by: Rayne SE Go to Quoted Post


Aside from the infamous Warthog Trial I never needed more than 3 attempts.


somebody ordered a warthog?
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#60 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:12:19 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Rayne SE Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: AudibleJam509 Go to Quoted Post


Interesting seeing the Lambo GTR so high up the PI chain. Again, hopefully no engine swap needed to be competitive in S2. Although, I have a suspicion that the Pista will need one. Don’t see the Pista being an S1 rally car. Just strange to think of it with rally/snow tires on. PI looks too high anyways but we’ll see.


The Pista will be a dead car in S2. Even if it has the Racing V12 available. It probably comes stock with race tires, maybe with two weight reductions possible. With a starting handling of 9.0 it won't do much against the high-end cars with "race aero" (the low value ones). AWD-swap, off-road tires and then increasing the weight to possibly reach 900 seems to be the way to use it online.

If the Diablo GTR has a big weight reduction available (similiar to FM7) it could be an option for S2. Wide rear tires, hopefully "race aero" and probably the Racing V12 with weight reduction could be enough.

The ATS GT needs to lose enough PI through an AWD-swap to get in at least one weight reduction. Then it could be an S1 road option.

The 512S is hard to predict because those old race cars tend to suffer huge PI costs for AWD-swaps. Probably best run as RWD like both Porsche 917.


ATS seems to be best bet to be competive car. Cars with similar PI dont lose mutch PI when awd swapped or sometimes awd swap just adds PI (like newest vipes where awd swap adds 3 points) but i still think that ATS have potential to be really good S1 car.

My bet abaout Pista is that it cant be reduce at S1. Diablo, yeij yet another racing V12 swap, starts to get really damn boring.
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#61 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:21:29 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: talby71 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Lowe0 Go to Quoted Post
The most desirable car is locked behind multiplayer, again. What a surprise.


Love it
I enjoy doing the trials


Cool. As already discussed, the game shipped with a system where you could do the events you enjoy, I could do the events I enjoy, and either of us could use the resultant points to acquire that week's rewards.

What good reason is there to move away from that system towards one that restricts the player's choice of what events they prefer to participate in?
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#62 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 4:54:34 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Lowe0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: talby71 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Lowe0 Go to Quoted Post
The most desirable car is locked behind multiplayer, again. What a surprise.


Love it
I enjoy doing the trials


Cool. As already discussed, the game shipped with a system where you could do the events you enjoy, I could do the events I enjoy, and either of us could use the resultant points to acquire that week's rewards.

What good reason is there to move away from that system towards one that restricts the player's choice of what events they prefer to participate in?


It depends on your viewpoint.
From a player's point of view there is no good reason.
From the developer's viewpoint the 'good' reason is that this way they'll nudge more people into doing the trials.
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#63 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:19:05 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Sir iLex Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Lowe0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: talby71 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Lowe0 Go to Quoted Post
The most desirable car is locked behind multiplayer, again. What a surprise.


Love it
I enjoy doing the trials


Cool. As already discussed, the game shipped with a system where you could do the events you enjoy, I could do the events I enjoy, and either of us could use the resultant points to acquire that week's rewards.

What good reason is there to move away from that system towards one that restricts the player's choice of what events they prefer to participate in?


It depends on your viewpoint.
From a player's point of view there is no good reason.
From the developer's viewpoint the 'good' reason is that this way they'll nudge more people into doing the trials.


I mentioned that back on page 1. I just think it compromises the game design to tailor it towards engagement metrics rather than the best interest of the players.
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#64 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:13:59 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Lowe0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Sir iLex Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Lowe0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: talby71 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Lowe0 Go to Quoted Post
The most desirable car is locked behind multiplayer, again. What a surprise.


Love it
I enjoy doing the trials


Cool. As already discussed, the game shipped with a system where you could do the events you enjoy, I could do the events I enjoy, and either of us could use the resultant points to acquire that week's rewards.

What good reason is there to move away from that system towards one that restricts the player's choice of what events they prefer to participate in?


It depends on your viewpoint.
From a player's point of view there is no good reason.
From the developer's viewpoint the 'good' reason is that this way they'll nudge more people into doing the trials.


I mentioned that back on page 1. I just think it compromises the game design to tailor it towards engagement metrics rather than the best interest of the players.


Well... then you knew the answer to your own question! There I was, trying to be kind and answer the question. You tricked me! :D
I guess it was rhetorical though...

I completely agree with your view on game design. Money, sadly, seems to say this is the way to go. Keep your players mildly addicted and have them play the game at least every other day to tie them over to the preorder of your new title.

Edited by user Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:14:43 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#65 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:32:44 AM(UTC)
Some people will just **** an moan whatever way the new cars are delivered...

There should be a challenge to it ... if it was too easy then boredom would set in and people would just move onto other things...

I didn't originally like the Trial format and I still roll my eyes thinking FFS when it is S2 at night in the rain.
However there have been a few 'fun' trials recently ...
I do feel a little sympathy for those who don't do the online thing.

My take on the trial is
figure out what car you need ... upgrade it based on the trial format (grip /traction/ high speed/acceleration) - don't take a stock
Don't go crazy ... you may have idiot team-mates but do your own thing drive within your limits and not banzai into the first corner
Don't come last ... if you are waaay off -quit
If necessary play the team game - hold up reds to give other blues a chance to make a move (this is risky as I have been shoved off a few times by reds but it has also worked in the team's favour)
I would say I rarely have do a trial more than once and I am not that good a driver - if I have done it more than once it is normally after I have finished most of the other playlist stuff (except playground games - I don't bother with that)
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#66 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:27:07 AM(UTC)
Man these had all better be in the next Motorsport game, whenever that is. These, the RS6 wagon HE and the 917 LH. The only cars in Horizon that as a FM player, I'm truly jealous of.

Edited by user Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:06:24 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#67 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:56:21 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Honor Virtus Go to Quoted Post
Some people will just **** an moan whatever way the new cars are delivered...

There should be a challenge to it ... if it was too easy then boredom would set in and people would just move onto other things...


A challenge is fine. Just give us a challenge that doesn't require multiplayer.
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#68 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:42:29 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Lowe0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Honor Virtus Go to Quoted Post
Some people will just **** an moan whatever way the new cars are delivered...

There should be a challenge to it ... if it was too easy then boredom would set in and people would just move onto other things...


A challenge is fine. Just give us a challenge that doesn't require multiplayer.


I'm sorry to tell you this, but it's 2019. Multiplayer is a fact of life; games that don't have it are pretty much dead on the vine.
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#69 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:08:23 PM(UTC)
With all of the interesting cars In......(dramatic Clarkson pause)...the world. Why do we need more Ferrari’s and Lambos
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#70 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:32:31 PM(UTC)
Did the update go live already???? I have a few more hours before I can go home
Forza junkie since FM2. Horizons are the break I need from the track. 🏁🏁

FH4 and I have a volatile love/hate relationship 😑

Hopefully FH5 will treat me better 😬😬
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#71 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:55:50 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: DaReoCharmer Go to Quoted Post
Did the update go live already???? I have a few more hours before I can go home


It's been live many hours allready.
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#72 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:07:05 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: V12 SprungBoss Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: DaReoCharmer Go to Quoted Post
Did the update go live already???? I have a few more hours before I can go home


It's been live many hours allready.



Okay good cause last month there was a delay. Fantastic news! Thank you.
Forza junkie since FM2. Horizons are the break I need from the track. 🏁🏁

FH4 and I have a volatile love/hate relationship 😑

Hopefully FH5 will treat me better 😬😬
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#73 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:08:46 PM(UTC)
All Track Tor and BS times have been removed from Rivals leaderboards. It’s also a complete ban in every race category and class (not just C/B and A as might have been better but presumably trickier).
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#74 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:09:58 PM(UTC)
Ok I take that back. Looks like Track Tor times but not BS have been removed and Track Tor times only in B class not C or D.

Edited by user Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:12:09 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#75 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:15:20 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Jezza14 Go to Quoted Post
All Track Tor and BS times have been removed from Rivals leaderboards. It’s also a complete ban in every race category and class (not just C/B and A as might have been better but presumably trickier).


I just realized, i might be at the top of a couple rivals LBs now! (If no non-tracktor times beat me since the last time I checked)

Time to go polish off my ‘65 mini tune I guess.
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