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We hear a lot about immersion in gaming these days. We're also accustomed to seeing cars with "red" taillights in daily life that it can be alarming when that state of immersion is broken by something that is different from what we subconsciously expect. So I understand what you're saying about the yellow taillights being a distraction and how it's affecting your enjoyment of the game. The yellow taillights were obviously not intended by T10 to best represent taillights in the real world or else the scenario would be flipped and we would be seeing more cars with yellow taillights in the game rather than just a few. Also, there's no way that T10 would've built an HDR game without it being backwards compatible with SDR screens. The yellow taillights most likely got overlooked in beta because there's a very specific set of circumstances to make them appear on SDR displays.

This isn't sdr specific it's also on hdr tvs.

From what I understand, the main difference in HDR from SDR is tighter calibration standards. Local dimming can enhance contrast particularly in low-light viewing (which is the standard calibration environment). Wide-gamut is useful for content-creation, but not so much for consumers.

Until the majority of content is mastered to the same consistency as the new panel standards, and ambient-lighting compensation is standard on said panels, subjective experience in terms of vibrancy, accuracy, total quality, will be a roulette*.

From what I understand, the main difference in HDR from SDR is tighter calibration standards. Local dimming can enhance contrast particularly in low-light viewing (which is the standard calibration environment). Wide-gamut is useful for content-creation, but not so much for consumers.

Until the majority of content is mastered to the same consistency as the new panel standards, and ambient-lighting compensation is standard on said panels, subjective experience in terms of vibrancy, accuracy, total quality, will be a roulette*.

Yes, I've heard that from multiple HDR owners by now that the tail lights never look right and they too get the overexposed bright yellow brake lights from time to time. Extremely disappointing is the fact how they can leave something like this in a game where every marketing campaign was ultra-focused on 4k/hdr. I don't care about 'heavenly' resolutions or a marketing gimmick like HDR when the tail lights don't even look right. There were 8, 10 and 12-bit panels around way before HDR became a thing - and were all perfectly capable of producing rich, varied and vibrant colors. It's down to game developers not using them effectively.



Precisely - it's irrelevant at this point how good your HDR/SDR screen is, or how well-calibrated it is - it is an inconsistency in the lighting model that they failed to address.

Where I live, tail lights and brake lights can appear like that routinely. Perhaps it's the weather conditions where I live as we get a substantial amount of cloud, rain, mist, fog and overall low contrast lighting due to living right next to the sea (around a 5 to 10 minute walk from the ocean). Do I think that Forza perhaps overexaggerates how often you see the effects? Maybe? But this does happen in real life.

Let's not forget that all exterior views are through a camera lense effect in Forza Motorsport 7 which does make sense. This is evident as, especially at night, you can see lense flair and dirt on the lense of the camera.

Really? Tail lights look bright yellow, orange or sometimes white when you are look at a car directly from behind?

Okay, I give up...

Where I live, tail lights and brake lights can appear like that routinely. Perhaps it's the weather conditions where I live as we get a substantial amount of cloud, rain, mist, fog and overall low contrast lighting due to living right next to the sea (around a 5 to 10 minute walk from the ocean).

It's not a lighting issue, certain cars have an inaccurate tail light color. A few have been posted in this thread another that I found was the Mercedes sl65 amg. Most cars are fine and in the scheme of things most in forza means hundreds of cars are normal, just a few are messed up which means it was probably an oversight by whoever made/tested these particular cars. It's not a display problem, it's not in forza horizon 4) and it's certainly not by design because if that was the case all the cars in the game would have these odd colored lights. The fact is while its unfortunate, this is not a game breaking issue and even if it was at this point it's not going to get fixed. I think its time to move on to more constructive discussions unless people want to start compiling a list of cars affected which could aid turn 10 in fixing these cars in the future.

I believe some factual evidence is being ignored here.

If your theory were correct, then why aren't all cars' tail lights displaying this odd color under specific lighting conditions? Why doesn't FH4 have the same problem? Tail lights look okay in all conditions.

Why don't the red in other HDR games look weird at different times of day/lighting conditions like SOTR, GOW4 and many others? Only the red tail lights is the issue and FM7 specifically is the only game to have it.

I've never seen this so-called effect IRL when looking at cars directly from behind or in movies/TV for that matter. So your theory about looking at the game through a camera lens doesn't add up, sorry.

[quote=im2fast4u711;1121532]It's not a lighting issue, certain cars have an inaccurate tail light color. A few have been posted in this thread another that I found was the Mercedes sl65 amg. Most cars are fine and in the scheme of things most in forza means hundreds of cars are normal, just a few are messed up which means it was probably an oversight by whoever made/tested these particular cars. It's not a display problem, it's not in forza horizon 4) and it's certainly not by design because if that was the case all the cars in the game would have these odd colored lights. The fact is while its unfortunate, this is not a game breaking issue and even if it was at this point it's not going to get fixed. I think its time to move on to more constructive discussions unless people want to start compiling a list of cars affected which could aid turn 10 in fixing these cars in the future.