Originally Posted by: talby71 
Have you seen the stickied posts at the top of this forum
About the first 10
Seem quite a few people dont read them before asking already answered questions
I did tested this by first browsing pinned streams topic and then using search feature of the forum with words "audio" "audio stream" and "calibers".
There were no hits in pinned topics. I got quite a lot of other results with keyword "audio" so I narrowed it a bit by making search using keyword "audio stream". I got some very good discussion about the stream, it was referred but no link to it, no date, nothing official. I tried to browse results further but got directed back to first page of search results.
For search word "calibers" there were no hits in pinned topics. I got other results though. The first was to this discussion and second was actually useful. It was not content in pinned topics however. It appears that you can link directly to posts via search function so hear it is:
https://forums.forzamoto...uary-4.aspx#post_1042138That's actually excellent example of what I thought would bridge the gap between different media types make forum (text based) and audio/visual content (streams).
None of the pinned topics present FAQ in it's traditional meaning. They are not usable for pasting quick link to live chat to reduce clutter.
I don't see your comment is any relevancy to current discussion as it looks very obvious that you didn't research topic yourself. Furthermore, why I go to this otherwise useless meta, for what I have seen I think you are generally helpful guy, but handling official side of things, creating new policies, features, getting resources, official side of this is the only thing that matters.
One more thing. So Babyseal posted here, perhaps it was not that easy to get what it was about at first, perhaps even bit personal. So Community Liaison kept him talking, another user comes around, he is obviously confused, Community Liaison does direct him to right area, at the same time kept first guy talking, to the point where we get to the point where we have something concrete like that info is scattered around and comes up with One Big Source thing and gets to transparency which is actual topic. So Community liaison kept him talking and guy did 75% of the work. For me that looks pretty much like real pro at work.
You can offer peer support like any of us, you can present ideas like any of us. Frankly, you are nowhere near what pro can do and you don't need to be.
Originally Posted by: BabySeal363 
Originally Posted by: ClawedScroll554 
what sort of content you would feel satisfactory
Since you asked, and I know you did play the latest expansion, did you do the "Table Flipping" Brick Challenge, the one where you have to smash 100 tables, possibly before it was patched to include other table designs under the definition of 'table'? What were we supposed to
feel while repeatedly slamming our cars onto the restaurants of Brickchester, then fast traveling back and forth, in and out of the city to get the tables to respawn, and doing it over and over again until the challenge went away? Was it fun, engaging, solid game design? Was that what you were looking for when you saw the first trailers inviting you to "Beautiful, Historic Britain"? Did you come to LEGO Valley hoping to do more building, or more smashing? Were we supposed to be instruments of divine punishment upon the infidels, the evil "legos" who invaded our sacred racing game? Must the existence of a tiny destructible object inside the game be justified by a corresponding challenge? Whatever were we supposed to feel?
Yeah I did, I think that was the last one did before I got enough of that. I posted my thoughts in LEGO expansion feedback topic and if you haven't already you should and include that you this sort of content isn't what you wish to see in future Horizon games and even if you already posted you can post more specific things. I don't think PG monitors every topic here so I think your best chances are there.
I actually didn't meant you to repost anything here, I meant it more like a rhetoric question regarding existing topics but things happen. LOL
Originally Posted by: BabySeal363 
No, everything is not awesome. There has to be a way to make an expansion without making it revolve around a 12 Hours of #Forzathon on a tiny map. Was it you that asked on that Mixer stream where would people have set the expansion, and I replied: "Dubai"?
Nope, wasn't me. I guess it's a common topic though. Personally I don't care, it's more about what settings make possible.
Originally Posted by: BabySeal363 
The content I desire for this game is no mystery,
I have an unreasonably long wishlist, and as long as the developers continue to add cars you can find in it to the game, I can't possibly be mad at them - the latest addition being the 2019 Aston Martin DBS Superleggera. I am quite different from many in this forum that would struggle with or otherwise protest against seasonal content. It's also why you don't see me accusing Update 12 of being "trash" or whatever other insults.
As to other requests and questions, from
the other wishlist:
I don't think there's any sort of morality in there asking features, people will keep asking anyway. It's up to developer what they implement. I don't mind about critique either. Like I wrote earlier, these are not normal relationships. Those who are responsible for gathering feedback take what they see is important and pass it further. In ideal case the idea is about the product, feedback comes in whatever manner and it's not important if someone says something is trash, it's why said person feels like that or if there are any actual ground to that at all.
Originally Posted by: BabySeal363 
The story goes that:
Quote:"In March, during a livestream event, Dan Greenawalt announced the team was just beginning to enter pre-production on the next Forza game and they would be taking an entirely new approach to development. He stated that instead the team would be involving the community much more via beta tests and discussion sessions. Hardcore fans would be much more connected to the creative process than ever before."
..snipped...
You have posted to relevant topics, I don't think there is anything else you can do.
Originally Posted by: BabySeal363 
Lastly, a reminder that submitting tickets for "known issues" or otherwise asking the devs to fix them is redundant and pointless. The slogan of our professional experts of communication shouldn't be: "Sumbit a ticket!", it should be: "Look at the
list of known issues first, then if yours isn't there, submit a ticket."
I don't mind the manner message is delivered, though I see your point. I think it's important to understand that it's very likely scenario that questions asked from any personnel that is available in interactive media may be related to bugs. Not everyone in house has anything to do with tech support. So it would make sense to have a policy which leads customers having tech support question to direction where they can get actual help. Messengers ain't the problem here.
Originally Posted by: BabySeal363 
Originally Posted by: ClawedScroll554 
There is no easy way to link single post Twitter or Reddit or whatever there currently is and whatever will come.
I find it even worse with directly linking things written on the Discord, which appears to be the preferred means of communication (T|ol et al. are the developers that post there other than RetroKrystal, the latter lately also known as Community Warlock). There's a captcha waiting for you at the gates, I have to explain "T|ol is this individual that happens to work for PG..." every time, etc. It's awful.
It's convenient only when you're an official, card-carrying member of the secret society, which is why I have a Discord account in the first place: one repost from Discord too many eventually got me in.
I don't actually really get what you are saying. I can't comment Playground Games presence in Discord or whatever social media platforms. For me it's unnecessary clutter that I don't want in my private life, for me it's about the choice. For business not so much, they need to be present wherever their customers/potential customers are. Some platforms lose popularity (Facebook) and some new ones come around (Discord). Not everyone use every platform, some us just forums. In general terms it can happen that visibility comes to first and content second, that is often result of poor strategy. In this case I wonder what your goals are? Whatever platforms there are their common purpose is to enable communication, messages are ruled by company policies, changing platforms doesn't make any difference. You have posted here and posting the same things on different media platform is just repeating the same message. What's the value of repetition?
You wrote earlier about forum being hijacked from the developers. I don't want to put words in your mouth so to say, but I could imagine that perhaps you are not certain that feedback given here isn't passed to developers and you liked to interact with them to be sure. I don't claim that to be so, I can't know. But if I continue about this imagined scenario, where are developers at this? If I happen to get unsatisfactory service in say restaurant, I will take it to reception first, if that doesn't work I wont meet the cook, I meet the manager. There is only one reasons I ever go to meet cook and that is to say "It was wonderful, thank you." There are different environments, say I buy a rubber duck that doesn't float because for some reason it melts in the water. Last year it was Harry in the shop who made them, then it was Dave and now nobody knows because they are made in China. There are however managers are responsible for local operations.
Originally Posted by: BabySeal363 
Originally Posted by: ClawedScroll554 
So while streams are technically available, they are not easily accessed.
The YouTube streams can be rewatched right away, as soon as the livestreaming ends (unlike the Mixer ones, but why?), as I do every first Monday of the month because I rarely manage to see the entire thing live. Said streams are the closest approximation to the Great One Source I propose, for they bring the actual news, but the individual bits of the news are a nightmare to link to. The YouTube chat is also completely unmoderated with shills and bots from competing companies filling it with repeated messages such as: "trash", "F" and "cre*per" for over an hour.
Honestly, being able to link and share things other than individual tweets, entire webpages, entire videos is already kind of esoteric knowledge. Said ability is well within the grasp of the nerds here and elsewhere on the internet, let alone the biggest, most awkward of nerds who ascended to the status of professional game developers, but how big is their percentage in an allegedly 10 million-strong userbase?
Originally Posted by: ClawedScroll554 
reducing constant "When this will be implemented?" -"It won't" "Says who?" -"Developers" "Said where?" on all media platforms including chats like Mixer and Discord. We need only single official source that it's easily linked by players participating in social media
Hear, hear!
I for one think that a line needs to be drawn between "communication" and "marketing", but if the "marketing" part manages to persuade our fearless devs that the Great One Source is an idea worth exploring...
I think this is territory of Community Manager and Community liaison to figure out if there something here that would be worth pitching up. The thing is if we here could some sort of win-win scenario. For forum software, there needs to be feature that enables linking to single posts. All video content is now collected in one thread but summaries don't describe things like hey, we had our audio guy here in this stream, so they won't show up in search. So collect videos like that which information doesn't get old to their own topic with text description like what Tilo did. Furthermore, filter frequently asked questions and made single post about them, easily linkable etc. I don't know what all it should cover, Q: Why there isn't Toyota in the game, Ferraris are boring, all I want to do is deliver tofu? A: PG doesn't have licence to use Toyota vehicles in game at the moment. Q; Can I still request Toyota vehicles A: While licensing Toyota in FH4 is extremely unlikely, you can express your wish in car wish list topic (link).
Then some additional synergy Q: How GP records sounds of vehicles (or something like that) A: This was explored in detail in past stream with (official title for audio guy) link to stream. etc. Just food for thought.
Something I tried, I fired up Forza hub and checked the news section. I didn't find any link to release notes. There was link to past stream but reading is still faster. Community liaison and you discussed about something in frontpage and then it came about interactivity with developers and need for moderation. What I think there are lot of features that could enable things, but in practice they do not replace One Big Source. Thoughts?
Something else, that may be a bit closer to original idea of this entire topic (or not, even I'm bit confused) is if we could have a prerecorded video (which could be featured in weekly streams) where who ever is making selection to Featured Custom Routes to FH4 Tab, plays one or few custom routes.
Demonstration might include dev routes (Picachku or something like that has at least one really good one) great player made routes from the past and dev could play through them, show and explain things like that if checkpoints are well visible regardless if player is using first or third person view, is a plus and so on, would not only be form of transparency but also give opportunity to give hints and must have things (no Drivater traps) if Custom Blueprinter wants to hope to make selection. Additional benefit would be that it could encourage good Custom Route design and that way increase customer satisfaction because perhaps more well designed custom routes would become available. I don't think there's anything that could be done to utterly unsatisfying Gazillion Credits blueprints, there will be demand for them, they will get lots of likes. Moralising about that won't help but here could be window of opportunity for something else.
I would be interesting to see this with collaboration of Community liaison and Community manager with required personnel. Stream regarding audio design worked so well because he could show and explain about thing himself.