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#1 Posted : Saturday, July 13, 2019 7:44:28 PM(UTC)
I have talked with several people in both the game and in the forums and I hear a lot about people who do not know how to drift, can tune but can't drift, can drift but can't tune, ect. Some of these people have gone to the forums and asked questions and generally get some good help but a good while ago I made a tuning calculator on evening out a car's suspension to help with the weight roll of the vehicle. This calculator has been tried and tested throughout the different implementations of the Forza series and the base formula has gone back as far as Forza Motorsports 3.

In short, I use this calculator in just about any build I want to do in FH4 and it has worked miracles for me. Between drifting, racing, or even off-road, I have used this as my base for my tuning. Note, this will not go over your alignment, tire pressure, gearing, or anything else, it is set up to give you a balance reading for your Spring Rates, Antiroll Bars, Rebound Stiffness, and your Bump Stiffness. For a more accurate tuning of your vehicle for your likes, the Bump Stiffness is really the only setting that can be changed since the original formula calls for the car to be between 50%-75% of the Rebound Stiffness, which is also calculated for you in the calculator.

Also, there is no change between the English and Metric settings for any of the suspension elements, but, they are also separated for ease of the user. The calculator is set up for very simple users in there are only 4 fields that need to be changed, which is the Min/Max of the Spring Rate of your vehicle, and the Weight distribution of your vehicle. IE if your vehicle is 54% Front, then your two calcs are .54 and .46 which equals 1.0.

If you would like to try this calculator out and see if it helps you with your cars for drifting, the calculator can be found here :

https://forums.forzamoto...ning-Calculator-v2.aspx

Any additional information, just get with me on here, or throw me a party invite on XB @ Senistr and if I am available, I will come and give you a hand.
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#2 Posted : Friday, December 20, 2019 2:35:52 AM(UTC)
To make things easier for the user, you could have them input just the weight of the car and weight distribution. The min/max for springs is a percentage the vehicles weight and the percentage is the same for every vehicle (unless the stock springs are adjustable).
Rank: Driver's Permit
#3 Posted : Saturday, December 21, 2019 6:57:43 AM(UTC)
Hello drifters,

I allow myself to leave a comment here since I'm not sure where I'm supposed to do it (I tried looking for a drifting section, no success)
I'm trying to complete the whole game and all that remains to do is drift zones since drifting looks awefully cloudy, let me explain myself :
- The game never learns you how to (it just proposes tracks to perform but no real tips nor lesson and even less advices according to one's driving to try and improve oneself according to a context or track).
- There are tons of drifting cars and even more tons of possible settings and yet still no advice or tutorial in the game : how can one figure out where to start figuring out how drifting is working in FH4 ? (this is my first Forza I precise).
- If someone wants to make some test for tuning a car, I think one has no choice but to pay and test, pay and test and so on... Until one (maybe) finds a good setting (considering the amount of parameters, that can take weeks or maybe more).
- I'll take a concrete example with the Moorland Way drift zone : my biggest score is be around 72000 with the 1965 Mustang (by Hoonigan, I heard this is the "best" drifting car even though - once again - no one really explain why or how) while the 3 starts threshold is 95000 and I simply don't have a clue how to reach this threshold (it seems impossible considering my "skills").

So I have several questions :
- Are there some official tutorials that TRUELY explain how drift is working ? For instance a video with a guy holding a gamepad and shows the consequences of his handling on screen.
- Is there a guide rating drifting cars (and explaining the rating) so I can figure out the differences between drifting cars ? Rating system in Forza Horizon seems a bit off since ratings are not relative among themselves).
- Are there guides of how to succeed in each drift zone (how to process a given turn or else) considering this is the only game mode that needs explaination (all the other ones are all so intuitive).

I'm sorry if this is not the right section to ask these questions but considering the amount of time spent on the net trying to figure out how to become performant in drifting (while spending no time for the rest of the game / features / basically anything but drifting) I'm giving the game a last chance to try and understand (I'll even go up to "appreciate" ^^) drifting in Forza because so far, compared to the rest of the game modes, this looks like a complete loss of time (lots of time learning / no time enjoying considering the high challenge of this game mode since I can't learn anything of my mistakes or failures).

I have the feeling that drifting in FH4 is like a secret world and once you found the entrance, everything become crystal clear.
I precise that any answer will be appreciated since around me, NO ONE really understands drifting and is simply leaving this part of the game (which is too bad IMO, hence this comment). No need to send me another Youtube video of a guy making ten times the expected score (I saw them and yet found no real help in the process of learning), I want to understand the concept and the causality game pad in hands. And if the official forums can't help me I don't see what can :) (and will thus drop the pad with no regret).


Thanks in advance !
Rank: Driver's Permit
#4 Posted : Thursday, December 26, 2019 12:22:40 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Seichi Kahn Go to Quoted Post
Hello drifters,

I allow myself to leave a comment here since I'm not sure where I'm supposed to do it (I tried looking for a drifting section, no success)
I'm trying to complete the whole game and all that remains to do is drift zones since drifting looks awefully cloudy, let me explain myself :
- The game never learns you how to (it just proposes tracks to perform but no real tips nor lesson and even less advices according to one's driving to try and improve oneself according to a context or track).
- There are tons of drifting cars and even more tons of possible settings and yet still no advice or tutorial in the game : how can one figure out where to start figuring out how drifting is working in FH4 ? (this is my first Forza I precise).
- If someone wants to make some test for tuning a car, I think one has no choice but to pay and test, pay and test and so on... Until one (maybe) finds a good setting (considering the amount of parameters, that can take weeks or maybe more).
- I'll take a concrete example with the Moorland Way drift zone : my biggest score is be around 72000 with the 1965 Mustang (by Hoonigan, I heard this is the "best" drifting car even though - once again - no one really explain why or how) while the 3 starts threshold is 95000 and I simply don't have a clue how to reach this threshold (it seems impossible considering my "skills").

So I have several questions :
- Are there some official tutorials that TRUELY explain how drift is working ? For instance a video with a guy holding a gamepad and shows the consequences of his handling on screen.
- Is there a guide rating drifting cars (and explaining the rating) so I can figure out the differences between drifting cars ? Rating system in Forza Horizon seems a bit off since ratings are not relative among themselves).
- Are there guides of how to succeed in each drift zone (how to process a given turn or else) considering this is the only game mode that needs explaination (all the other ones are all so intuitive).

I'm sorry if this is not the right section to ask these questions but considering the amount of time spent on the net trying to figure out how to become performant in drifting (while spending no time for the rest of the game / features / basically anything but drifting) I'm giving the game a last chance to try and understand (I'll even go up to "appreciate" ^^) drifting in Forza because so far, compared to the rest of the game modes, this looks like a complete loss of time (lots of time learning / no time enjoying considering the high challenge of this game mode since I can't learn anything of my mistakes or failures).

I have the feeling that drifting in FH4 is like a secret world and once you found the entrance, everything become crystal clear.
I precise that any answer will be appreciated since around me, NO ONE really understands drifting and is simply leaving this part of the game (which is too bad IMO, hence this comment). No need to send me another Youtube video of a guy making ten times the expected score (I saw them and yet found no real help in the process of learning), I want to understand the concept and the causality game pad in hands. And if the official forums can't help me I don't see what can :) (and will thus drop the pad with no regret).


Thanks in advance !

my only advice is to learn how a car handles, since all of them are different, and try out the various settings, one at the time min and max drive for a while and try to find out whats different, i consider myself bad at tuning and drifting, using a xbox one controller on w10 with manual clutch with all assists off normal steering. find a nice road with a some thick curves and run back and fort untill you know it well then you have a good test route, kick clutch, hand braking or "bahamas-initiation" (force it) to start a drift then clinch your seatcusions and try to stay on the road, just like your first winter irl you will go offroad :D and go with RWD feels so more awarding going top 1000 surrounded with AWD if you just wanna get done with the drift zones check out my tune for the volvo 240 or bmw m5 forza edition, which is very good beginner tunes with very little need for throttle control floor it and try to stay on the road, most of my tunes are drift inspiried. currently at place 12.341 at moorland way. i hope it helps! GT: Virtoz
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#5 Posted : Saturday, January 4, 2020 6:08:34 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Virtoz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Seichi Kahn Go to Quoted Post
Hello drifters,

I allow myself to leave a comment here since I'm not sure where I'm supposed to do it (I tried looking for a drifting section, no success)
I'm trying to complete the whole game and all that remains to do is drift zones since drifting looks awefully cloudy, let me explain myself :
- The game never learns you how to (it just proposes tracks to perform but no real tips nor lesson and even less advices according to one's driving to try and improve oneself according to a context or track).
- There are tons of drifting cars and even more tons of possible settings and yet still no advice or tutorial in the game : how can one figure out where to start figuring out how drifting is working in FH4 ? (this is my first Forza I precise).
- If someone wants to make some test for tuning a car, I think one has no choice but to pay and test, pay and test and so on... Until one (maybe) finds a good setting (considering the amount of parameters, that can take weeks or maybe more).
- I'll take a concrete example with the Moorland Way drift zone : my biggest score is be around 72000 with the 1965 Mustang (by Hoonigan, I heard this is the "best" drifting car even though - once again - no one really explain why or how) while the 3 starts threshold is 95000 and I simply don't have a clue how to reach this threshold (it seems impossible considering my "skills").

So I have several questions :
- Are there some official tutorials that TRUELY explain how drift is working ? For instance a video with a guy holding a gamepad and shows the consequences of his handling on screen.
- Is there a guide rating drifting cars (and explaining the rating) so I can figure out the differences between drifting cars ? Rating system in Forza Horizon seems a bit off since ratings are not relative among themselves).
- Are there guides of how to succeed in each drift zone (how to process a given turn or else) considering this is the only game mode that needs explaination (all the other ones are all so intuitive).

I'm sorry if this is not the right section to ask these questions but considering the amount of time spent on the net trying to figure out how to become performant in drifting (while spending no time for the rest of the game / features / basically anything but drifting) I'm giving the game a last chance to try and understand (I'll even go up to "appreciate" ^^) drifting in Forza because so far, compared to the rest of the game modes, this looks like a complete loss of time (lots of time learning / no time enjoying considering the high challenge of this game mode since I can't learn anything of my mistakes or failures).

I have the feeling that drifting in FH4 is like a secret world and once you found the entrance, everything become crystal clear.
I precise that any answer will be appreciated since around me, NO ONE really understands drifting and is simply leaving this part of the game (which is too bad IMO, hence this comment). No need to send me another Youtube video of a guy making ten times the expected score (I saw them and yet found no real help in the process of learning), I want to understand the concept and the causality game pad in hands. And if the official forums can't help me I don't see what can :) (and will thus drop the pad with no regret).


Thanks in advance !

my only advice is to learn how a car handles, since all of them are different, and try out the various settings, one at the time min and max drive for a while and try to find out whats different, i consider myself bad at tuning and drifting, using a xbox one controller on w10 with manual clutch with all assists off normal steering. find a nice road with a some thick curves and run back and fort untill you know it well then you have a good test route, kick clutch, hand braking or "bahamas-initiation" (force it) to start a drift then clinch your seatcusions and try to stay on the road, just like your first winter irl you will go offroad :D and go with RWD feels so more awarding going top 1000 surrounded with AWD if you just wanna get done with the drift zones check out my tune for the volvo 240 or bmw m5 forza edition, which is very good beginner tunes with very little need for throttle control floor it and try to stay on the road, most of my tunes are drift inspiried. currently at place 12.341 at moorland way. i hope it helps! GT: Virtoz



[/quote] my only advice is to learn how a car handles, since all of them are different, and try out the various settings, one at the time min and max drive for a while and try to find out whats different, i consider myself bad at tuning and drifting, using a xbox one controller on w10 with manual clutch with all assists off normal steering. find a nice road with a some thick curves and run back and fort untill you know it well then you have a good test route, kick clutch, hand braking or "bahamas-initiation" (force it) to start a drift then clinch your seatcusions and try to stay on the road, just like your first winter irl you will go offroad :D and go with RWD feels so more awarding going top 1000 surrounded with AWD if you just wanna get done with the drift zones check out my tune for the volvo 240 or bmw m5 forza edition, which is very good beginner tunes with very little need for throttle control floor it and try to stay on the road, most of my tunes are drift inspiried. currently at place 12.341 at moorland way. i hope it helps! GT: Virtoz
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Hello Virtoz,
Thanks for your reply, your input confirms my fear (trying each car and every possible tuning part /setting + learn drifting zones by heart).
And thanks for your tips and answers too, I will definitely take a look at your work :)

See you in FH4 !

Rank: C-Class Racing License
#6 Posted : Monday, January 6, 2020 6:25:13 AM(UTC)
Hey Seichi Kahn my advice would be to start on the large roundabout at the end of the motorway ... you should be aiming to lap it by balancing the car on the throttle...
So Traction & stability off... manual gears ... (most cars ) stick it in 3rd start to lap and just open up the throttle ... it should start to drift.
Too much throttle and you will spin out ... too little and it will stop the wheels spinning - balance...
If it bangs off the rev limiter ...that's OK for this stage as this will help you (limits spinning out a bit) ... it's not nice in terms of style/technique but you can deal with that later

master clockwise .. then run anti-clockwise ...

if you can't get the car to do this you need to discover if it is your technique (most likely as you admit you are new to it) or the car...
I have a few cars that I find easy to drift ... some are loose and aggressive - these would be harder to learn with but they are where the bigger scores come from once you are happy with the technique. Your mustang might just be too aggressive until you get the technique

once you get the roundabout thing then add a 'transition' ... so drift lap the roundabout and then take an exit by swapping to other side and maintaining the drift ...
you could then try the 2 roundabouts in Edinburgh that are very close together and linked this gives you a big curve, a switch and then a tighter curve in a kind of figure 8 ... loop back repeat...

The festival circuit is a great place to practice as it is a circuit with a drift zone as part of it ... various size corners .... lefts & rights
You get the chance to keep repeating the same corners again and again until you master each one

If you do it in a car with a drift boost in the skill tree you can also earn lots of skill perks as you practice ...
my favourite is the Merc SL65 AMG FE (available in forzathon!) ... very nice to drift & earns a shed load of perk points (especially if you then master the 'advanced' skill of drift tap)

Edited by user Monday, January 6, 2020 6:25:56 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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