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#1 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 12:53:11 AM(UTC)
Okay, so the game still requires a myriad of improvements:

* car sound improvements
* add missing shift animations
* resolve headlight bugs
* improve calibration for hdr and sdr
* add maybe a few fantasy tracks
* remove wobbly parts or at least have the option to switch this on/off
* other graphical and LOD glitches

and this is just the tip of the iceberg. the game still won't let me get into MP;

T10, please don't abandon this game just yet - many of us will still be on One-X when Scarlett releases next year and would love to see more improvements being added to FM7.

Off-topic: what about a remastered FM4 on X-One or at the very least a backward compatible version?

This is such sad news - I'd hate to see it abandoned after August. Even the car packs weren't that exciting.
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:34:14 AM(UTC)
I agree, feels like I paid $100 for a beta for forza 8, leaving drag as experimental, taking almost two years to implement race regulations, no expansion, lots of general bugs and car fixes left, and now with no Motorsport this year and unknown when in 2020 they’re just like “ok we’re done, some things didn’t pan out for FM7, we’re looking into it for FM8” for a $100 game that doesn’t seem riggt
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 4:14:08 AM(UTC)
Shocking but I guess not surprising when I sit back and think about it. Just this morning I was wondering why MP lobbies were mostly empty except for S and R class. Leagues are just as bad. I guess enough people have left the game to no longer make it worth it for T10 to keep attempting to fix ongoing bugs and subpar features.

I've literally just fired up FM7 to "give it yet another go", read this, and instead I'm mumbling to myself "Ugh, back to FM6 again then...".

It would very interesting to know how many motor sport game fans were only on Xbox for Forza and have now abandoned Xbox altogether to give Playstation a go. Without an expensive rig/setup, Forza and GT are the only two racing games near enough to simulation level. I'm not an avid blog reader but doesn't Playstation support VR for GT Sport?

I wish it wasn't so but I really don't see a way back for Forza Motorsport. I've had many years' fun with Motorsport but as tight-fisted as I am (refusing to buy an X) even I'm thinking about moving to Playstation...
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 5:11:41 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: GlorifiedDemon Go to Quoted Post

It would very interesting to know how many motor sport game fans were only on Xbox for Forza and have now abandoned Xbox altogether to give Playstation a go.

Exactly. This generation I started with Playstation as almost everybody. PS4 was great at start with many games. But then I wanted to give a change to Forza again so I bought S and Horizon 3 and I was amazed. Forza is the only reason for me to have Xbox. I bought Xbox One X because of Horizon 4. I don't care about other games. Currently I have every game and Tier 13. But after last months I think it's time to think again about car stuff. We already have Project Cars 2 and Dirt rally 2 for both. GTS is for PS only. We don't have open-world sim like Horizon. But probably somebody from Sony is working on it right now.

So, yeah, Forza is a system seller for me and for many my friends. Without it nobody would care about Xbox at all.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 5:13:28 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: GlorifiedDemon Go to Quoted Post
I'm not an avid blog reader but doesn't Playstation support VR for GT Sport?

Only for a limited subset of the game, you can't use it for online racing as they aim for a level playing field there.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 6:08:08 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GlorifiedDemon Go to Quoted Post

It would very interesting to know how many motor sport game fans were only on Xbox for Forza and have now abandoned Xbox altogether to give Playstation a go.

Exactly. This generation I started with Playstation as almost everybody. PS4 was great at start with many games. But then I wanted to give a change to Forza again so I bought S and Horizon 3 and I was amazed. Forza is the only reason for me to have Xbox. I bought Xbox One X because of Horizon 4. I don't care about other games. Currently I have every game and Tier 13. But after last months I think it's time to think again about car stuff. We already have Project Cars 2 and Dirt rally 2 for both. GTS is for PS only. We don't have open-world sim like Horizon. But probably somebody from Sony is working on it right now.

So, yeah, Forza is a system seller for me and for many my friends. Without it nobody would care about Xbox at all.


Pretty bold statement considering there's millions of Xbox owners out there who have never played Forza.......
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#7 Posted: : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 6:32:52 AM(UTC)
Yeah, I meant people with Forza. Current Xbox has almost nothing to offer so it's hard to imagine to buy it next time. On Xbox I liked Forza, Elite controller and X version. Without it I could go anywhere else. Elite will have new version but Forza looks a bit destroyed now. More powerful console will be elsewhere too.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 7:28:37 AM(UTC)
All depends on what you like really. I love my Xbox's. I started with the PS like everyone else. I moved to the 360 because most of my friends made the jump. I have plenty of games I really like, and I love the 4K on the One X. Playstation is still a good console, but they have absolutely nothing to offer me that I can't get on the box.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 9:04:10 AM(UTC)
It's time for the team to move on from FM7.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:13:30 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: EZT MAKO 6669 Go to Quoted Post
All depends on what you like really. I love my Xbox's. I started with the PS like everyone else. I moved to the 360 because most of my friends made the jump. I have plenty of games I really like, and I love the 4K on the One X. Playstation is still a good console, but they have absolutely nothing to offer me that I can't get on the box.

I think it's huge win for PS. It's funny because I play Forza only and my PS catches dust. But games are different level. I played every great exclusivity already so it's fine for me to play on Xbox.

X360 was the best console for me yet. Still, the PS exclusivity were way better IIRC.

This topic is about if Forza is so important for sinking Xbox. I think so and it needs much better care and communication to players.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:21:09 AM(UTC)
Discussed during yesterday's Forza Monthly livestream:

Originally Posted by: ManteoMax Go to Quoted Post

23:00
"One of the biggest things we've been running into on all sides - car production, track production, and of course gameplay - is the core problem around shipping a real current live game and making sure it is ready for the public, and investing in things that will help us for the next product. It's all about speed for us, for a lot of purposes, to get to the next game. Something that I don't think most people appreciate about the production for games that are in a live environment, that are actually in release to the public is that there is a massive overhead to getting it to the public. We can't just code something and fire it out, we go through a ton of process for release. Basically it adds an overhead of from anywhere between 30-60% of our time, just goes to shipping this stuff. So when we're looking at any of this development right now - shipping a track or shipping a car or even nuances to FRR - all of that work which is normally there - and we're using all of this stuff for the next game - there's a good 30-60% of time shipping it to FM7 which could be used to help develop a better game in the future. So we're looking across all the studio and thinking, well, we could either continue this with FM7 and have 30-60% less of a game when we come out next time or we can start pushing all of that effort diirectly to the next product. ... So we're really going to go all in for the next product at this point." and FM7 will have its final major content update in August.
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:37:50 AM(UTC)
Thanks for the info. It makes sense. The only question for me is if they will deliver complete game at launch. I will probably buy Ultimate edition day 1 but everything must be there already. If they switched to different style of development, I won't support it. It's like Battlefield. I like Battlefield but can't buy it day 1. One year is enough delay to get a good game. But it's not good for them I think.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:41:50 AM(UTC)
Forza online and FM7 FRR is geared towards a cult subset of upper level online players the rest of us casual players can go jump off a cliff. I would sell my xbox and get a ps4 and GTSport but there is no market for a used xbox. Funny thing is there is still a hot market even fora ps3 and the original entry level ps4. When the new xbox is released, it will be a big ladden piece of garbage just like every new generation xbox has always been. It will not be until about the third quarter after the release that the next generation xbox will be relatively safe to purchase. And not until it has been out for a full year before they have the bulk of the bugs worked out of the system. Even then it will still require the monthly MS updates. So even if the new Forza and new xbox is released before Christmas 2019 (which they are saying 2020 sometime) it will be 2021 before it is even reasonably smart to invest in a new xbox. By that time Forza and Turn10 should be getting ready to release bug fest number 9. Or FM10???
Or LegoSport11?😁
Should have kept there word and made FM7 better for the interim until FM8 and the new xbox were ready. Most nearly everybody playing FM7 would have shelled out some upgade bucks for a few tracks, a couple of cool car packs, and a few extra career blocks. I'm not sure Turn10 made the best marketing decision.
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#14 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:59:25 AM(UTC)
I think the heart of the matter is; a lot of FM7 players are not happy right now. And a lot of FM7 players are not going to be buying the nextgen xbox right off just because of FM8 if it is not released until the nextgen xbox is released.
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#15 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 11:05:43 AM(UTC)
X1X has FM7 updated qued after FH4
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 3:53:31 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: ManteoMax Go to Quoted Post
Discussed during yesterday's Forza Monthly livestream:

Originally Posted by: ManteoMax Go to Quoted Post

23:00
"One of the biggest things we've been running into on all sides - car production, track production, and of course gameplay - is the core problem around shipping a real current live game and making sure it is ready for the public, and investing in things that will help us for the next product. It's all about speed for us, for a lot of purposes, to get to the next game. Something that I don't think most people appreciate about the production for games that are in a live environment, that are actually in release to the public is that there is a massive overhead to getting it to the public. We can't just code something and fire it out, we go through a ton of process for release. Basically it adds an overhead of from anywhere between 30-60% of our time, just goes to shipping this stuff. So when we're looking at any of this development right now - shipping a track or shipping a car or even nuances to FRR - all of that work which is normally there - and we're using all of this stuff for the next game - there's a good 30-60% of time shipping it to FM7 which could be used to help develop a better game in the future. So we're looking across all the studio and thinking, well, we could either continue this with FM7 and have 30-60% less of a game when we come out next time or we can start pushing all of that effort diirectly to the next product. ... So we're really going to go all in for the next product at this point ." and FM7 will have its final major content update in August.


These two lines stuck out like a sore thumb to me. I've heard this all before when they were releasing FM7. Sadly they bailed on FM6 in a far better state then they have FM7, there still were some bugs from release date and their attempt at thwarting corner cutting by random tire walls was laughable at best, but they are leaving FM7 in a far worse state. They gave FM6 two new tracks and two expansions before they slipped out. For FM7 at least they gave us Race Regulations where I spend most of my time on Forza 7.

So best of luck with your Forza Motorsports 7-2.0 project Turn 10., I'll just stick with FM7 and FM6 from here on in. I'm not to interested in buying a new console and these two game will more than suffice for my racing needs.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 9:05:05 PM(UTC)
I really hope turn 10 look what games like F1 2019 or Assetto Competitions doing, instead trying to copying there one game again and again, in which nobody interested anymore.
Forza Motorsport has still a great potential but not as a Forza Horizon on racetracks.
FM 3/4 where great games an leaf a lot into motorsports and simracing. Nobody want a iracing but more immersion could be helpful to bring players back.
I really hope they do nothing complete stupid to sell Gamepass.
If so please cut Motorsport out of the title.
The shame is that the game have so great racing cars but no gameplay that make this cars so great. Realistic tyre wear, fuel consumption, changing race lines over a race, different tyre compunent. F1 2019 is a great example to bring all this features in a game without losing the casual players.
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, July 2, 2019 11:13:32 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: silent0saint Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: ManteoMax Go to Quoted Post
Discussed during yesterday's Forza Monthly livestream:

Originally Posted by: ManteoMax Go to Quoted Post

23:00
"One of the biggest things we've been running into on all sides - car production, track production, and of course gameplay - is the core problem around shipping a real current live game and making sure it is ready for the public, and investing in things that will help us for the next product. It's all about speed for us, for a lot of purposes, to get to the next game. Something that I don't think most people appreciate about the production for games that are in a live environment, that are actually in release to the public is that there is a massive overhead to getting it to the public. We can't just code something and fire it out, we go through a ton of process for release. Basically it adds an overhead of from anywhere between 30-60% of our time, just goes to shipping this stuff. So when we're looking at any of this development right now - shipping a track or shipping a car or even nuances to FRR - all of that work which is normally there - and we're using all of this stuff for the next game - there's a good 30-60% of time shipping it to FM7 which could be used to help develop a better game in the future. So we're looking across all the studio and thinking, well, we could either continue this with FM7 and have 30-60% less of a game when we come out next time or we can start pushing all of that effort diirectly to the next product. ... So we're really going to go all in for the next product at this point ." and FM7 will have its final major content update in August.


These two lines stuck out like a sore thumb to me. I've heard this all before when they were releasing FM7. Sadly they bailed on FM6 in a far better state then they have FM7, there still were some bugs from release date and their attempt at thwarting corner cutting by random tire walls was laughable at best, but they are leaving FM7 in a far worse state. They gave FM6 two new tracks and two expansions before they slipped out. For FM7 at least they gave us Race Regulations where I spend most of my time on Forza 7.

So best of luck with your Forza Motorsports 7-2.0 project Turn 10., I'll just stick with FM7 and FM6 from here on in. I'm not to interested in buying a new console and these two game will more than suffice for my racing needs.


AGREED, We all know they are going to try and release F8 as a release title for the newer generation, which means they will have a strict deadline to meet, and with the gaming business we all know that many developers just can't seem to get things right on these deadlines. We have accepted 9/10ths games or less for years because they know they can improve and implement updates through patches and what not. I honestly can't remember the last game I bought that felt 10/10ths, even if the game is great a couple weeks or month later they come out with fully polished DLC you had to pay extra for? this practice is sickening. But business is Business and we the consumer keep purchasing season passes so why wouldn't they grab what they can from us.
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:35:55 AM(UTC)
I made the switch to ps4 and GTS three months ago. Bought a used PS4-slim (only 1 month old) for the same amount as I sold my Xbox S. I have to say, that I miss the hoppers. The "daily races" are very limited, BUT everybody is getting better on these tracks through the week, so you get really clean races if you got a good Sportmansship Rating, which works 1000x better than the league system on Forza. The prublic Lobbies are all empty, but sometimes you find something good. Also I miss the crazy mix of cars in races. Although in GTS we get every month an update with new cars, so the car count is rising. And we got the last two months 2 new tracks. Goodwood Motor Circuit and Sardegna Road Circuit, which are fantastic. Forza needs desperatly new tracks. It is so refreshing to see everybody learning a new track and getting better. But the main reason I switched, is because of the polished feel of the game. GTS feels really sexy, really thought out. Like Forza 4 was. Even the livery creator is so much more refined. I really hope T10 makes a much more solid Forza 8 on the new xbox and maybe I will switch back again. I really wish that. There is so much potential. So I disagree. If they want to make a really good next iteration, they have to start now und work overtime. As sad as it seems, but you wouldn't want a next FM8 which feels like a beta for FM9.

Btw: I came here, because I saw the news about FRR on GTPlanet. I knew it would take them sooo long. I said in january, that we wount see this until july
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, July 3, 2019 1:41:39 AM(UTC)
Doing new Motorsport is not hard at all. You can take M7 and improve it a bit. It's pretty easy. PG has much harder job because of new map. New consoles are almost the same as current so no changes likes X360 to X1.

I agree with Gamepass. It's useless for me because I prefer quality over quantity.

Game as a service is not for me too. If something have it, I'll buy complete edition years after release.
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#21 Posted : Wednesday, July 3, 2019 2:12:30 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Psychomantyx Go to Quoted Post
I really hope turn 10 look what games like F1 2019 or Assetto Competitions doing, instead trying to copying there one game again and again, in which nobody interested anymore.
Forza Motorsport has still a great potential but not as a Forza Horizon on racetracks.
FM 3/4 where great games an leaf a lot into motorsports and simracing. Nobody want a iracing but more immersion could be helpful to bring players back.
I really hope they do nothing complete stupid to sell Gamepass.
If so please cut Motorsport out of the title.
The shame is that the game have so great racing cars but no gameplay that make this cars so great. Realistic tyre wear, fuel consumption, changing race lines over a race, different tyre compunent. F1 2019 is a great example to bring all this features in a game without losing the casual players.

F1 2019 is a complete re-skin of F1 2018. I'm not going to go into why right now because I'd he here for a decade but the upgrades from F1 2018 to F1 2019 are so minuscule and incremental it's ridiculous to offer a $69.99 price tag.

Same goes for FM6 to FM7 at launch. It was barely an upgrade, just FM6 with more content yet somehow more broken and buggy. Now, I'd say FM7 is the best Forza game we've ever had but that's after 20 months of post game support. That's not acceptable.

There's a clear and obvious reason for this and it's why both F1 2019, FM7, Fifa etc were poor games at launch and it's simple. 1 to 2 years of development time is not enough. It's simple too little time to make a meaningful and sizable upgrade to warrant charging another AAA price tag every year or two. The games cone out rushed, unpolished or barely changed, or in FM7's case even missing features at launch.
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:15:01 AM(UTC)
Just an FYI, FM8 will NOT be the release title for the next Xbox. It was already announced that the new Halo will be.
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, July 3, 2019 7:05:06 AM(UTC)
If August really is the final update for this game, then it's probably going to be the best one. Maybe we'll get a suprise car pack that's actually good, maybe all car sounds will finally be fixed, we'll probably get new tracks and annoying bugs and glitches will be fixed. If not, well at least all of that will be implemented into Forza 8... And if for any reason it's not... BACK TO FM4!
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, July 3, 2019 8:25:22 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: EZT MAKO 6669 Go to Quoted Post
Just an FYI, FM8 will NOT be the release title for the next Xbox. It was already announced that the new Halo will be.

More than one game can be a launch title for a console.
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, July 3, 2019 9:00:47 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: EpicEvan777 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: EZT MAKO 6669 Go to Quoted Post
Just an FYI, FM8 will NOT be the release title for the next Xbox. It was already announced that the new Halo will be.

More than one game can be a launch title for a console.


Not usually. And after the fiasco of FM5 I highly doubt T10 or MS are willing to risk that again! LOL
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