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It seems to me that that would be one simple thing to provide to improve the game when so much else is lacking.

I'd be pleasantly surprised to see any new content at this stage in the lifecycle. Forza 7 has become a sort of unofficial beta platform for some of the tweaks to the regulations and penalty systems that they seem to be toying with, and I don't anticipate them changing much else. I'd like to see some new tracks too, but it's starting to look more like a Forza 8 wishlist item right now.

I would very much rather them fix all known bugs before releasing any new content.

That's just one step away from asking for games as a service.

This is exactly what I would have said if my English was this good.

Edited by user Sunday, June 23, 2019 1:44:38 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Grammar

I was thinking the same thing when I saw the second expansion released for FH4. This coupled with bugs in FM7 have never been fixed, has left a bad taste for me as a long time fan of the FM series.
*Terrible PR when you see their main competitor is still releasing content for their game. (*regardless whether it was bare bones to begin with.)
Maybe they just don't care and Horizon is the main series now and Motorsport the spin off.

I miss Sedona



and I miss Sunset Peninsula







Just saying.

Miss Sunset Penisula, Rally Di Positano and Fujimi Kaido the most. I understand why Fujimi isn't returning. If I'm correct, it's to do with the lighting and landscape, specifically the trees, hence why it was always constantly heavily overcast in FM4 and why trackside detail looked poor compared to other tracks. I think it's just down to dedication on whether we get the other fantasy tracks.

Though I'm hoping once the next gen comes out, this really shouldn't be a problem if it is indeed true.

Alpine Ring!

Legit request IMO - didn't the previous two Motorsport games release new tracks a few months down the line?

Also, the track collection hasn't changed much since FM6 - new and exciting tracks, even fantasy tracks from older games, would be very welcome.

I miss Nordscheilfe in b class hoppers, or even better yet a better algorithm for track choice in hoppers based on number or locations and not track count so I can stop racing top gear and VIR every other race. BORING.

I almost forgot - FM3 and 4 have the best fantasy tracks! Now what's stopping them from re-creating them for current gen? They are not real life tracks, so will it still take 6 months to create one? I read that in one of the threads that it takes that long.

Nothing wrong with that as long as you're not nickeled and dimed at every opportunity.

Seems to work well for GT Sport 😉

Nothing wrong with games as a service if you actually give the community what you have promised, on time and in full and of course, don't cut content out from the launch of the game.

As for new tracks, I actually don't want any. I'd much rather Turn 10 continue refining the current content rather than adding to it. For example, every track should have a rain variant. I understand some tracks not having night time driving (as some tracks don't offer that in real life) but every track should be able to race in the rain and I have no idea why the fantasy tracks don't have night or rain racing. It would be nice to drag race at night or in the rain or explore the Test Track airfield at night. Why it's not a thing, I don't know.

I'd also like them to focus on adding a fully dynamic weather system, essentially a port of Forza Horizon 4's dynamic weather, with a few features such as time acceleration, per-determined conditions at set times etc. It would be fun to do something like a 2.4 Hours of Le Mans instead of the 24 Hours of Le Mans yet still have that simulated 24 hour weather cycle.

I would like the fantasy tracks to come back. I don't know how long they take to create nor how complicated they are to make but it would be nice.

Some tracks would be nice but i dont think it would improve the game. I have said this before, FM is like the Rocky movies..... anything after 4 is awful!
What made FM4 good imo was the teams element. The community self organised and created sporting content that T10 could not. This should of been the foundations on which the rest of FM was built on. All T10 needed to provide was tracks, cars & championships for the teams to take part in. Public hoppers could stay and serve as a practice ground and a stepping stone to joining teams. In this scenario adding tracks would improve the game.

Seeing GT sport getting track after track and PC2 getting it's fair share of tracks but NOT 1 for FM7 in nearly 20 months of the game being out just hurts. Theres dozens of tracks they can choose from whether they are simple circuits, city courses, or even fantasy tracks it would certainly be nice to get just one. Even with all the politics behind it all with it being said that it would split the player base blah blah...make it fair and open for everyone. We need some fresh surfaces to race on or at the very least the tracks we have give us time of day options and more tracks with weather.

they never had any intention on making a racing game. Their idea was obvious...

"We can just take APEX add loot boxes, charge $100 and be RICH!"

No place in the discussion of the development of this game did ANYBODY stop and say "hey what would make a good racing game", let alone "what would make a good FMS game"

They couldn't even get the stupid badges right... come on... you got the badges system perfect in FM2!

FM2, FM3, FM4, FM5, FM6, FM6 APEX are ALL superior to FM7 in literally every single way I can think of with the exception of the AI being slightly better and graphics are a little bit better on 7 than 2 and 3.

overall though FM2 is a far better game. especially considering you can pick it up for about $5 which is what FM7 should have sold for. It was garbage at release and now it is barely better. If they had released it in this state and then sold 2 expansion and 20 car packs it might have been a good game...

they just gave up and just didn't care. I really hope everybody leading the design of this game is fired.

They might well have killed FM all together. 2 years after a motorsport game and not even whispers about an expansion or a new game.... normally we would have had 2 expansions, and a new game release this year. At this rate Horizon 5 will be out before FM8

and another thing since I'm complaining...

Doesn't anybody else get at least mildly annoyed that next to "forza total" on the forums it lists 1050 points

This has been going on for over 2 years.

I have 24,992 points NOT 1050


Which brings me to complaint 3

It wasn't enough to make a terrible game you had to add terrible achievements too.

I'm not sitting in an online lobby for a weeks trying to grind out a last of pack to front of pack finish.

Did the forza team think... hey I know what we should do. We should make an achievement that somebody who has literally spent thousands of dollars and thousands of hours on forza won't be able to get unless he goes to a third party website and signs up for a cheating session.


seriously forza team if there was a way to screw up better I don't know what it is. Even the forums are broken. Hell a guy complained today that we haven't had a single new track...

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moderator hides post, locks thread, and says thanks for the feedback...

I'm pretty sure by "thanks for the feedback" sounded pretty sarcastic to me.. Which is exactly what happens to all feedback. thread locked, hidden, or just deleted.

Lot of false narratives here:

1. Never once were loot boxes ever purchasable with real world money. Nor were there any micro-transactions in Forza Motorsport 7.

2. Explain how all those Forza titles, particularly FM5, FM6 & Apex are "superior in every single way" to FM7? That's just plainly false:

No Auction House in FM5 or 6 or Apex
No Dynamic weather in FM6 or Apex or weather at all in FM5.
Terrible Force Feedback for wheels in every game except FM7.
Hardly any content in FM5 or Apex and much more content than FM6.
No Homologation system at all in FM5, 6 or Apex.
No dashcam low field of view camera for wheels in any game.
No per car FFB tuning or semi-softlocking in any game.
No Forzathon
No speciality dealer
Terrible careers in both FM5, 6 and Apex
No wide body kits and severely less car customisation.
No driver gear, no mod cards in FM5.
No Forza Race Regulations
Terrible post game support for every game in the franchise.

The list goes on and on...

I agree however that FM2, considering it's time, is still the best ever Forza game. It was groundbreaking for 2007 and really pushed the franchise forward. It's the FM game I started with and still the best in the franchise imo. FM7 was absolutely terrible at launch, an insult I'd go so far to say, but really, barely improved? What FM game has ever had this kind of post game support? Every FM game had 1 year post game support and then it's abandoned. Not only that but there's no longer complete and utter radio silence from the developers to the community. The management has become a lot better and the post game support has been by far the best the franchise has ever had.

I think the game engine and graphics and such are pretty solid at this point. Not seeing major advances between 6 and 7. I wish they'd just make it a persistent thing. Not necessarily a subscription per se, but a situation where they just keep releasing new things. Then the tracks or cars we loved won't be gone and we can keep looking forward to new things without having some grind all over again.

I'm happy that FM8 won't be out this year apparently, because I just haven't put enough time into FM7, especially with playing Horizon 4. ... But yea, more content is always welcome. Things feel more alive, even if you haven't exhausted the original content. Activity and fresh stuff is nice.

To add to the loot boxes comment, in every game back to 4 (my first experience with the franchise), tokens WERE purchasable with actual cash, and in 4 and 5, counted towards your gamerscore! I also did sit out FM7 for six months so I can't speak to how it was at launch, but overall, it's not perfect by any stretch, but it's turned into a pretty good product.

And as for the main topic at hand, I would LOVE another track or two, although tracks are the hardest and most resource intensive pieces in a game. The guys handling the race regs and such aren't the 3D artists handling car models and lighting and they aren't the coders handling the physics, etc, etc, and you need them all for a track.

They were purchasable in previous titles after launch but they were never implemented in FM7.

Just to clarify, in no way am I defending lootboxes or micro-transactions. I heavily despise them. However, the lootboxes in FM7 were never purchasable with real world money. They weren't tied to progression in any way. They didn't give any "buffs" or unfair advantages. They weren't pay to win. They were extremely hidden out of view and they were completely optional.

Saying that I'm delighted both are gone. Any gambling mechanic in a game under 18+ is sick and damaging to children imo. Don't even get me started on FH4's wheelspins. The sooner they're gone the better.

Getting back on track (no pun intended XD) as much as I'd love a new track, I don't see the point from a consumer nor business perspective. I'd be much happier launching Forza Motorsport 8 when it comes out, knowing there's 5 or 6 new tracks right from the get go.

As much as I like playing FM7, let's face it, it's in its twilight months. The player base simply isn't there to do anything with the game nor can Turn 10 bring the player base back. The damage has already been done. That means it's become a test bed for FM8. What needs to be done from here until development is cut for FM7, is constant refining of current content so that the foundations FM8 starts on is more solid, prepared and simply superior to the foundation of FM7. Adding more content, in FM7's current state, isn't the best of ideas.

I don't know where the 6 months figure you refer to came from, but I watched this the other day, which says it takes them 6 months elapsed time to complete a track for iRacing, 18 man months of work:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq0MK6aXaV0
It's hard to say how much that would be reduced if working from a fantasy track from a previous game.

Even if they are gearing majority of their resources toward FM8 - I don't think a few fantasy track would hurt the game and in fact, bring more of the older players back.

Do you folks think FM8 will be as good on the One-X as Scarlett? I mean will it compromise heavily on the X? It would kind of suck to have a seriously inferior version because I just got the X a few months back and won't be upgrading for a few years at least.

Tracks are a big investment, real or not. They're most likely going to leave content like that to FM8, it would have been great to get 1 or 2 for FM7 though.