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WOW! Someone else who actually get's it. I'm guessing you don't look at the map first thing to find all the bonus boards, either.

I just got a bonus board 2 weeks ago, the bonus boards aren't cheating though.

Not cheating the game, but I feel I'm not getting my money's worth if I use the map to find the boards (in the first 6 - 8 months of the game anyway). I was down to the final 2 and no way was I going to accidentally find those final two, which were very close together as it turns out).

to stay on topic, global messaging needs to be improved.

messages should be:

timely in regards to urgency
detailed
actions need, if any, from users
anticipated resolution date

global messages also need to be the same no matter where the info is distributed to avoid mixed messages and confusion. also, an identification from an authorized source (ie. PG Support...)

I don't see Discord or Twitter useful for my purposes and but I hope my thoughts written here will reach developers or Microsoft games / X-box games.

While immediate issue is to roll out fix for bug causing car perks getting reset, there's question why this needed to happen to begin with.

Forza Horizon 2 had once unlocked, permanent perks. In Forza Horizon 3 most perks were permanent with few had limited use new skill points needed to be invested to use perk feature again. Moving perks to cars created sort of new economy but also added more complexity. Complexity in turn tends to increase risks. Changing something or adding complexity doesn't have value per se, they don't automatically equal improvement.

Forza Horizon has been very fast growing product line. It has continued to reach more and more players with every sequel. It's very strong product line that sells X-box and Microsoft brand in gaming market. It's main appeal has been built on giving semi-realistic fantasy scenario where players can drive various cars from old Hot Rods to new supercars and perform task including racing, doing car stunts, etc. Players has been motivated and immersed to this under umbrella of fantasy Horizon Festival setting. So far this concept has been overwhelming success.

Games need to innovate but I do hope internal debate within Playground Games and relevant departments in parent company if certain trends popular in so called sandbox games really work for Forza series. Is current direction really worth the risks and does this add to customer satisfaction which sells not only future Horizon series games but also future X-box.

It's not that complex, Pokemon Cards would have an almost identical feature, and a beginner programmer could make a Pokemon game.

There is management complex, there future proof complex, there is user experience complex.

And I wrote for 'internal debate'. Was that part a bit complex perhaps? I'm not going to debate this any further.

I was referring to the highlighted text that Pokemon is basically the same code. I don't know what your reply was about, some sort of translation problem.

Although it deviates from the car mastery problem that is the current topic, I will post what I thought about communication with T10/PG.

They are now actively using discord to get the player's opinion on future Forza, and post support information.
However, communication with Discord is very difficult and inconvenient for users who are non-English-speaking people like me and who are not good at English.

For example, in the case of a forum, logs of all posts are displayed on the page in this way, so it is easy to trace back to past topics, and you can read them using the browser's translation function.
However, discord is a chat-style app. It is difficult to trace back because the log is updated in real time.
And this app has no official translation function.
It is possible to do translation with an unofficial extension, but it is a violation of discord's terms and there is a risk that my discord account will be ban.

If PG and T10 want to get feedback from many players against future Forza, I need to have a place where they can talk and discuss it in ways other than discords and support tickets.
For example, adding a page like "Future Forza Discussion" to this forum is a good example.
And for this kind of serious bug support, you should be notified by all means, such as official twitter, official forum, and facebook and in-game messages.

Just a reminder that this thread isn't about issues within the game.

@nb3254 - Thats a good point regarding a "feedback place." I may try and look into that, potentially a kind of FAQ regarding feedback and suggestions or information asked and given.

Also as I promised - There is now more information regarding the perks/mastery issue here

For any further chat regarding perks/mastery, please use the appropriate thread.

Regarding communication, I'd like to discuss the differences between LOSE and LOOSE and how we should use them to communicate effectively.

So umm....I don't see where I can talk about suggestions in the discord. I assume it's the #FH4general but it's just a chat room version of the forum.

It really grinds my gears when i see stuff like this. There is a difference, one means to not win and one is not tight. How do people keep getting basic english wrong? I mean it's a very basic thing and it suggests their education may be lacking elsewhere too! SMH

If you check #discord-faq you will see where to submit suggestions & feedback. It also give you the link & information regarding it too.

Hope this helps

That's a complete mess as well.

Edited by user Friday, May 10, 2019 3:30:04 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Do you have some constructive answer which you could advise so I could improve it?

Being a first draft, I'm always open to adding or improving the #discord-faq. (Might be best discussed via #fh4-general rather than this thread)

I'm sorry but I don't know what that means either... what's this # mean. I don't use this leet speak terminology. Do you mean go to Forza Horizon 4, and in there there is a forum called General?

EDIT: I looked there wasn't a forum called General.

So do you mean start a new thread? Why not just post it would be better to start a new thread?

Edited by user Friday, May 10, 2019 6:22:58 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Apologies, I thought you understood looking at your earlier reply that you had read the Discord-FAQ channel in the discord.
# is what goes before a channel name when referencing to Discord. It's not leet speak, I don't actually understand leet speak too much either.

For example:



If you want to understand it a little more, it is best to join the discord than me to explain every little bit.
If there's anything else you're unsure about regarding discord, feel free to DM me and I can help you through the channels & forward where to find more information on Discord.

Hope this makes more sense.

No I replied earlier, and said that Discord was a mess, and I can't read what it means. So sending me there is a waste of time. fh4-general.... that's not English, and I'm not here to learn a new language.

OK lol.. I went in there and it was like 4 year olds chatting, and the text was like baby language, this is a clip...

LucToday at 15:21
what
HNSY0WrathToday at 15:21
The TDF version
LucToday at 15:21
the hell
bmw507Today at 15:22
It’s a little tiny bit different

So you want me to read that baby chat?

Edited by user Friday, May 10, 2019 6:35:14 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Please attempt to trim extraneous material from your posts where possible and please do not engage in quote trains.

Thank you.

I am just suggesting it as another social, especially as it is more of a 'live chat.' If you don't want to join then that it totally fine.

Another social?

OK whatever that means. I give up. I don't like live chats, I don't play XBox Gold because it's live. I don't even use mobile phones at all, or text at all. Anything chatty I don't like. All I do is try to solve problems, sometime with games, sometimes with science, sometimes with people, sometimes with police cases. This thread is about communication, and transparency which has problems, so I'm in here, and you are sending me to Discord which is a problem in itself with communication, because Discord doesn't have the right sort of communication.

Edited by user Friday, May 10, 2019 7:00:58 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

can we please have the support page release notes on updates be more timely? thinking they should be posted when a new update goes live.

reason being is that since the May 7th update there have been two updates (perk bug fix and today's 196mb update) and no notes. thx

FH4 Release Notes: May 15th, 2019

We're constantly working to improve the experience in Forza Horizon 4. Below you will find a summary of items fixed or improved upon in this content update.
Version Number

PC: 1.300.860.0
Xbox: 1.300.860.2

Cross-Platform Fixes

This update provides a refund for Car Mastery points lost due to a previous issue. On accessing the Pause Menu for the first time, Players will see a message indicating how many points have been refunded. Refunded Car Mastery points are available when accessing the Car Mastery screen for a car. Please be aware that players with more than 999 Car Mastery points on hand will not earn more until they have spent enough points to go below 999.

Lol.. you need to click them all away in one go. Take your time guys.