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 Rank: A-Class Racing License #26 Posted : Thursday, April 4, 2019 4:17:27 PM(UTC) Originally Posted by: xJonxMonx56 I'd like to ask the community about which option is better. I don't currently own the McLaren F1, and I have enough credits and Forzathon points to buy one. The question is, which should I use? I have around 6.5 million CR, and about 4500 FP, but I will also be buying the 250 GTO. I know this is partially due to personal choice, but I feel like credits are easier to get than FP, but I have more things to buy with CR than FP.Buy many 250 gto as you can with fp and sell them later for lots of cr over time. Even selling at 5mil it will add up...The McLaren is not that expensive to buy with cr
 Rank: C-Class Racing License #27 Posted : Thursday, April 4, 2019 10:25:51 PM(UTC) Originally Posted by: JurassicJoeDawg Originally Posted by: Jadigafer7 You can easily earn 2M credits in 1 hour of grinding (through legitimate means), whereas there is no possible way you are earning 500FP in even 3 hours of play.So I just ran some math out to determine a FP to CR conversion.It is mathematically (although not physically likely and assuming you have the 2x FP bonus house) that you can earn 10,480FP in a week. 140FP for 7 dailies + 200FP for 1 weekly + 60FP for weekly/daily bonus + 24 Forzathon Live Events/day times 60FP/event times 7 days/week = 10,480FP in a weekAs unlikely as the above is, lets say for comparison someone were to grind for 6 hours/day for CR at 2M CR/hr x 7days/week = 84,000,000 CR in a week Therefore, 84,000,000CR = 10,480FP or 1FP is worth 8,015CR. So lets round that to 8,000CR = 1FPUsing the above conversion that means if you were using FP to purchase everything in the Forzathon shop it would be the equivalent of spending the following CR on each item:250 GTO = 650FP x 8,000CR = 5,200,000CR = A great deal for a 10M CR carMclaren F1 = 500FP x 8,000CR = 4,000,000CR = A bad deal for a 2M CR carRTR Grey Shirt and White Shirt = 150FP x 8,000CR = 1,200,000CR = Dang thats an expensive T-shirt!Regular Wheelspin = 40FP x 8,000CR = 320,000CR = A gamble. Rewards need to be >320,000CR to result in a profit.Super Wheelspin = 150FP x 8,000CR = 1,200,000CR = A gamble. Rewards need to be >1,200,000CR to result in a profit.So you compared the number of. FP playing 24 hrs per day to the number of credits you can grind 6 hours per day. Makes no sense to me.Pushing it you could assume 7 forzathon per day but then you'd get more like 1fp = £30k which changes the pricing somewhat.
 Rank: Racing Permit  6 users liked this post. #28 Posted : Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:22:53 PM(UTC) Originally Posted by: decto So you compared the number of. FP playing 24 hrs per day to the number of credits you can grind 6 hours per day. Makes no sense to me.Pushing it you could assume 7 forzathon per day but then you'd get more like 1fp = £30k which changes the pricing somewhat.In an effort to compare apples to apples, I based the 6hrs of credit grinding on the fact that a Forzathon event is 15min long x 24 events = 6hrs. I had to have equal time expenditures for each method of grinding for comparison purposes. Between Forzathon events there is no chance to earn FP therefore you can’t consider participation in 24 Forzathon events a 24 hour effort. My comparison is based on both methods expending 6 hours of effort each per day. And while the hope would be that you don’t spend the entire 15 minutes to complete a Forzathon Live event, I assumed any time savings for completing a Forzathon event faster than 15 minutes would then be put into accomplishing the dailies and weekly challenge. This is how I derived the 6 hour factor for the credit grinding per day was the equivalent effort to grind 24 Forzathon live events. To make it more reasonable, you could divide both these numbers in half to reach a feasible amount of grinding possible (3hrs of CR grinding per day or 12 Forzathon events per day), this would still yield a 8,000CR = 1FP result.Hopefully that makes more sense to you.Edited by user Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:28:42 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
 Rank: D-Class Racing License  5 users liked this post. #29 Posted : Thursday, April 4, 2019 11:52:48 PM(UTC) Spring Forzathon Playlist Suggested Cars, Tunes and Blueprint to help reduce the time of the grind:Weekly Challenge: 1993 Mclaren F1 - “EZ Forzathon” (S1 900 so most people can control it on the Marathon). For the two Road Circuit races use blueprint at Moorhead Wind Farm Circuit: “10sec Road Circuit”Trial Event: 2016 Aston Martin Vantage GT12 - “EZ Season Win” (S1 900)Playground Event: 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X GSR - “EZ Season Win” (A 800)Veloster Raptor: 2017 Ford Raptor - “EZ Season Win” (A 800)Bamburgh Off-road Championship: 2017 Ford Raptor - “EZ Season Win” (A 800) same as aboveLudicrous Speed: 2014 Porsche 918 Spyder - “EZ Season Win” (S2 988, tried not to overpower to allow better control for casual users)Reward Car Tunes:2019 BMW Z4 Roadster: “S1 Perfect Tune”2002 BMW M3-GTR: “S1 Perfect Tune”
 Rank: B-Class Racing License #30 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 12:16:27 AM(UTC) I didn't have the F1 so I had to buy it from Autoshow for 2 mil for the weekly event in order get the M3 GTR now.Edited by user Friday, April 5, 2019 12:19:23 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
 Rank: A-Class Racing License  1 user liked this post. #31 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 1:22:15 AM(UTC) Originally Posted by: FullNietzsche The Trial was a cakewalk, used a Viper 08 and just finished the 3rd race over 30 seconds ahead of everyone else., my own team included. And that was despite missing one checkpoint because it was so boring I wasn't concentrating. lol.Yep, the AI struggles with roundcourses and particularly with the 3 of the Trial. We won every race with ease and on Holyrood I even lapped 3 of the AI with my 911 GT3 RS. And that's not even the fastest car of the division. This week is the opposite of the nightmarish Wathog Trial a few weeks ago.
 Rank: A-Class Racing License #32 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 1:36:15 AM(UTC) Originally Posted by: Abell 370 Originally Posted by: CW40 Just great. I wasted money on the stupid F1 for no reason. Would it kill these people to give a heads up as to what's going to be coming up in the shop??? I'm enraged right now. Something always comes up to make me hate this game just when I like it again. Unbelievable.You can take the forzathon points that you would have spent on an F1 and use them to get a Ferrari 250 GTO. Then auction the GTO for, say, 2 million with a 5.5 million buyout. It will sell, and you'll probably end up with a net positive effect on your bank account. Yeah the GTO costs a little more FP, but chances are the extra FP spend on a GTO will bring you a 7 figure profit in credits. That makes zero sense. Now that everyone can get that car with minimal forza points, NOBODY will buy it in the auction house for any amount of money. That would be completely stupid. Once a car is in the forza shop it's worthless as an auction item.
 Rank: C-Class Racing License #33 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 1:54:23 AM(UTC) For some reason both drivatars and casuals struggle like crazy on Holyrood. I think I beat all but one AI in my 813 PI, FWD Renault. It's fun bringing low PI rides to the trials and see how many AI I can beat. I uploaded the tune if anyone is interested, it should work well for beginners as well as experts.
 Rank: Racing Legend  2 users liked this post. #34 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 2:01:57 AM(UTC) Originally Posted by: CW40 Originally Posted by: Abell 370 Originally Posted by: CW40 Just great. I wasted money on the stupid F1 for no reason. Would it kill these people to give a heads up as to what's going to be coming up in the shop??? I'm enraged right now. Something always comes up to make me hate this game just when I like it again. Unbelievable.You can take the forzathon points that you would have spent on an F1 and use them to get a Ferrari 250 GTO. Then auction the GTO for, say, 2 million with a 5.5 million buyout. It will sell, and you'll probably end up with a net positive effect on your bank account. Yeah the GTO costs a little more FP, but chances are the extra FP spend on a GTO will bring you a 7 figure profit in credits. That makes zero sense. Now that everyone can get that car with minimal forza points, NOBODY will buy it in the auction house for any amount of money. That would be completely stupid. Once a car is in the forza shop it's worthless as an auction item.nope , mine got sold for 4 million credits, makes up for the 2 million I spent yesterday on the McLaren f1 , which I also sold for 2 million creditsneeded to waste the forzathon points on something, buying wheelspins is pointlessnow I only have 2 more autoshow cars to buy, 10 million each., will be 1 before the weekend is over, since back to having 11 million to waste and soon will have nothing to waste credits on just like all previous forzas
 Rank: Racing Permit #35 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 2:46:06 AM(UTC) [Mod Edit - thread merged - MM]Ultimate Speed - I set up a circuit for the ForzathonThe race is at the Moorhead Wind Farm Circuit. It is a 3 lap circuit and takes in the Motorway. I had to use some normal roads to avoid oncoming Drivatars. The race takes under 15 Minutes and pays at least 125,000 credits and 35,000 Influence (Easy settings). One run should get you close to the Forzathon Requirement. The McLaren was good with my upgrades. The race is called the Moorhead Wind Farm Sprint under my Gamertag (RogsR34UK).Edited by user Friday, April 5, 2019 5:45:14 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
 Rank: B-Class Racing License  1 user liked this post. #36 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 4:03:02 AM(UTC) You know how we used to say that you could go into the Trial with any low-to-mid PI car you want, and your AI counterpart would pick a lesser or equal PI car? But now, they have minimum PI requirements, so you can't just show up in a C class Pinto. Well, I thought I'd be clever, and tune a car to 801 to get the S1 requirements, but be only slightly higher than A class. It's worked before in single player championships. I'd show up in something bottom of S1, and the AI would be top of A class.Well, that didn't work. The AI team's minimum PI was 840. Needless to say I got left in the dust. Missing 3 checkpoints didn't help either. On the 3rd race, I actually managed to stay ahead of my AI counterpart until pretty much the last lap when I missed a checkpoint. Despite my inept driving ability, we managed to win, thanks to three or four others who held on to the top spots.And I somehow managed to not be the worst guy in the lobby. There was one jerk in a Jaguar who kept ramming his own team, and another guy using some particularly crass pejoratives to call him out for it. So I guess I was maybe tied for next to worst, depending on how you slice it.That's multiplayer for you.
 Rank: C-Class Racing License #37 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 4:15:32 AM(UTC) Originally Posted by: Peregrine57 You know how we used to say that you could go into the Trial with any low-to-mid PI car you want, and your AI counterpart would pick a lesser or equal PI car? But now, they have minimum PI requirements, so you can't just show up in a C class Pinto. Well, I thought I'd be clever, and tune a car to 801 to get the S1 requirements, but be only slightly higher than A class. It's worked before in single player championships. I'd show up in something bottom of S1, and the AI would be top of A class.Well, that didn't work. The AI team's minimum PI was 840. Needless to say I got left in the dust. Missing 3 checkpoints didn't help either. On the 3rd race, I actually managed to stay ahead of my AI counterpart until pretty much the last lap when I missed a checkpoint. Despite my inept driving ability, we managed to win, thanks to three or four others who held on to the top spots.And I somehow managed to not be the worst guy in the lobby. There was one jerk in a Jaguar who kept ramming his own team, and another guy using some particularly crass pejoratives to call him out for it. So I guess I was maybe tied for next to worst, depending on how you slice it.That's multiplayer for you.I showed up in a PI 813 car and my drivatar counterpart showed up in a 817 car. So yea, it's not like before, now it seems to be partly random. On top of it, all my teammates had 900 cars, yet one of their drivatar counterparts was in a 860 car, but that drivatar was just as fast as the other drivatars.
 Rank: A-Class Racing License #38 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 4:52:10 AM(UTC) Originally Posted by: CW40 Originally Posted by: Abell 370 Originally Posted by: CW40 Just great. I wasted money on the stupid F1 for no reason. Would it kill these people to give a heads up as to what's going to be coming up in the shop??? I'm enraged right now. Something always comes up to make me hate this game just when I like it again. Unbelievable.You can take the forzathon points that you would have spent on an F1 and use them to get a Ferrari 250 GTO. Then auction the GTO for, say, 2 million with a 5.5 million buyout. It will sell, and you'll probably end up with a net positive effect on your bank account. Yeah the GTO costs a little more FP, but chances are the extra FP spend on a GTO will bring you a 7 figure profit in credits. That makes zero sense. Now that everyone can get that car with minimal forza points, NOBODY will buy it in the auction house for any amount of money. That would be completely stupid. Once a car is in the forza shop it's worthless as an auction item.I sold about 6 Aston Martins and 2 Auto unions in the same week. Approx. 40 millions. Maybe noGold users has AH? I don't know.
 Rank: D-Class Racing License #39 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 6:18:55 AM(UTC) Originally Posted by: XXX 2zigenTuner Originally Posted by: Peregrine57 You know how we used to say that you could go into the Trial with any low-to-mid PI car you want, and your AI counterpart would pick a lesser or equal PI car? But now, they have minimum PI requirements, so you can't just show up in a C class Pinto. Well, I thought I'd be clever, and tune a car to 801 to get the S1 requirements, but be only slightly higher than A class. It's worked before in single player championships. I'd show up in something bottom of S1, and the AI would be top of A class.Well, that didn't work. The AI team's minimum PI was 840. Needless to say I got left in the dust. Missing 3 checkpoints didn't help either. On the 3rd race, I actually managed to stay ahead of my AI counterpart until pretty much the last lap when I missed a checkpoint. Despite my inept driving ability, we managed to win, thanks to three or four others who held on to the top spots.And I somehow managed to not be the worst guy in the lobby. There was one jerk in a Jaguar who kept ramming his own team, and another guy using some particularly crass pejoratives to call him out for it. So I guess I was maybe tied for next to worst, depending on how you slice it.That's multiplayer for you.I showed up in a PI 813 car and my drivatar counterpart showed up in a 817 car. So yea, it's not like before, now it seems to be partly random. On top of it, all my teammates had 900 cars, yet one of their drivatar counterparts was in a 860 car, but that drivatar was just as fast as the other drivatars.Something I am not understanding here. You are talking about the Seasonal Trial, right? This is Co-Op only, so don't you sit in the lobby until a real human joins the race? Then it is two humans vs 10 drivatars? What is a drivatar counterpart?
 Rank: D-Class Racing License #40 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 6:25:27 AM(UTC) Originally Posted by: turtleCZ Originally Posted by: CW40 Originally Posted by: Abell 370 Originally Posted by: CW40 Just great. I wasted money on the stupid F1 for no reason. Would it kill these people to give a heads up as to what's going to be coming up in the shop??? I'm enraged right now. Something always comes up to make me hate this game just when I like it again. Unbelievable.You can take the forzathon points that you would have spent on an F1 and use them to get a Ferrari 250 GTO. Then auction the GTO for, say, 2 million with a 5.5 million buyout. It will sell, and you'll probably end up with a net positive effect on your bank account. Yeah the GTO costs a little more FP, but chances are the extra FP spend on a GTO will bring you a 7 figure profit in credits. That makes zero sense. Now that everyone can get that car with minimal forza points, NOBODY will buy it in the auction house for any amount of money. That would be completely stupid. Once a car is in the forza shop it's worthless as an auction item.I sold about 6 Aston Martins and 2 Auto unions in the same week. Approx. 40 millions. Maybe noGold users has AH? I don't know.I have a noob question. I've auctioned off plenty of my cars, but have never bought anything expensive from the AH. I'm worried I will spend a lot of CR and the original owner used up all the cars perk points before auctioning. This would be a huge disappointment. So, my question....... do car perk points reset once the car is in the auction or should the buyer beware that the car he is buying may not have any perk points left?I make sure to not use any perks before selling a car. As a matter of fact, I typically put a decent tune on a car before selling it.....at least something that will compete at Expert level.
 Rank: C-Class Racing License  1 user liked this post. #41 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 6:36:40 AM(UTC) They don't reset. Once the perks are used, that's it.
 Rank: C-Class Racing License  1 user liked this post. #42 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 6:42:12 AM(UTC) Originally Posted by: Galaxie5002012 Originally Posted by: XXX 2zigenTuner Originally Posted by: Peregrine57 You know how we used to say that you could go into the Trial with any low-to-mid PI car you want, and your AI counterpart would pick a lesser or equal PI car? But now, they have minimum PI requirements, so you can't just show up in a C class Pinto. Well, I thought I'd be clever, and tune a car to 801 to get the S1 requirements, but be only slightly higher than A class. It's worked before in single player championships. I'd show up in something bottom of S1, and the AI would be top of A class.Well, that didn't work. The AI team's minimum PI was 840. Needless to say I got left in the dust. Missing 3 checkpoints didn't help either. On the 3rd race, I actually managed to stay ahead of my AI counterpart until pretty much the last lap when I missed a checkpoint. Despite my inept driving ability, we managed to win, thanks to three or four others who held on to the top spots.And I somehow managed to not be the worst guy in the lobby. There was one jerk in a Jaguar who kept ramming his own team, and another guy using some particularly crass pejoratives to call him out for it. So I guess I was maybe tied for next to worst, depending on how you slice it.That's multiplayer for you.I showed up in a PI 813 car and my drivatar counterpart showed up in a 817 car. So yea, it's not like before, now it seems to be partly random. On top of it, all my teammates had 900 cars, yet one of their drivatar counterparts was in a 860 car, but that drivatar was just as fast as the other drivatars.Something I am not understanding here. You are talking about the Seasonal Trial, right? This is Co-Op only, so don't you sit in the lobby until a real human joins the race? Then it is two humans vs 10 drivatars? What is a drivatar counterpart?The seasonal trial, yes, and yes, it is co-op. It is usually 6 vs. 6, the game makes sure of that. When you join a co-op you get one, or sometimes more, drivatar counterpart. That is a drivatar whose car matches your cars PI, or so it was until the developers screwed this system up.
 Rank: A-Class Racing License  1 user liked this post. #43 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 7:19:56 AM(UTC) Originally Posted by: Galaxie5002012 Originally Posted by: turtleCZ I sold about 6 Aston Martins and 2 Auto unions in the same week. Approx. 40 millions. Maybe noGold users has AH? I don't know.I have a noob question. I've auctioned off plenty of my cars, but have never bought anything expensive from the AH. I'm worried I will spend a lot of CR and the original owner used up all the cars perk points before auctioning. This would be a huge disappointment. So, my question....... do car perk points reset once the car is in the auction or should the buyer beware that the car he is buying may not have any perk points left?I make sure to not use any perks before selling a car. As a matter of fact, I typically put a decent tune on a car before selling it.....at least something that will compete at Expert level.That's the reason I sell only New cars... and don't buy at all :D It's problematic when car has cool perks. It's the main reason why I don't buy more.Edited by user Friday, April 5, 2019 7:20:58 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified
 Rank: B-Class Racing License  2 users liked this post. #44 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 7:28:45 AM(UTC) Originally Posted by: XXX 2zigenTuner Originally Posted by: Galaxie5002012 Originally Posted by: XXX 2zigenTuner Originally Posted by: Peregrine57 You know how we used to say that you could go into the Trial with any low-to-mid PI car you want, and your AI counterpart would pick a lesser or equal PI car? But now, they have minimum PI requirements, so you can't just show up in a C class Pinto. Well, I thought I'd be clever, and tune a car to 801 to get the S1 requirements, but be only slightly higher than A class. It's worked before in single player championships. I'd show up in something bottom of S1, and the AI would be top of A class.Well, that didn't work. The AI team's minimum PI was 840. Needless to say I got left in the dust. Missing 3 checkpoints didn't help either. On the 3rd race, I actually managed to stay ahead of my AI counterpart until pretty much the last lap when I missed a checkpoint. Despite my inept driving ability, we managed to win, thanks to three or four others who held on to the top spots.And I somehow managed to not be the worst guy in the lobby. There was one jerk in a Jaguar who kept ramming his own team, and another guy using some particularly crass pejoratives to call him out for it. So I guess I was maybe tied for next to worst, depending on how you slice it.That's multiplayer for you.I showed up in a PI 813 car and my drivatar counterpart showed up in a 817 car. So yea, it's not like before, now it seems to be partly random. On top of it, all my teammates had 900 cars, yet one of their drivatar counterparts was in a 860 car, but that drivatar was just as fast as the other drivatars.Something I am not understanding here. You are talking about the Seasonal Trial, right? This is Co-Op only, so don't you sit in the lobby until a real human joins the race? Then it is two humans vs 10 drivatars? What is a drivatar counterpart?The seasonal trial, yes, and yes, it is co-op. It is usually 6 vs. 6, the game makes sure of that. When you join a co-op you get one, or sometimes more, drivatar counterpart. That is a drivatar whose car matches your cars PI, or so it was until the developers screwed this system up.That's pretty much it. At least one of the AI drivers on the other team is your personal 'rival' so to speak, and their PI is (or was) more or less around the same as yours. The theory is that you mostly need to beat your rival to pull your own weight for the team, and any drivatars you beat in addition to that are bonus. In this case, I failed to beat my rival, but the team carried me.
 Rank: S-Class Racing License #45 Posted : Friday, April 5, 2019 7:30:35 AM(UTC) Got both of the trials done on the first try, I think I enjoyed the one on the island a little more even though I had wallriding teammates Forza junkie since FM2. Horizons are the break I need from the track. 🏁🏁 FH4 and I HAD a volatile love/hate relationship 😑 Hopefully FH5 will treat me better 😬😬