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#101 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2018 5:19:53 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: NihilEx7 Go to Quoted Post
I am a user of Latin America and would like to try the applications. fifty inch You have a code Free?

Check your PM
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#102 Posted : Tuesday, October 23, 2018 5:23:41 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: latotheX Go to Quoted Post
I bought QT over the weekend, already had FT since 7 came out, and 6,5 before that. The question I have is what adjustments should I make when using Rally suspension in H4? I remember somewhere that you use HALF of the suggested Spring Rate and that is what I have been doing, along with the last couple of times also using half on the shocks, Jury is still out on that though. I am glad to see that you are going to put out a Horizon addition. I have always been satisfied with FT getting me a good base to start with but for some reason the results in H4 are just not getting me anywhere trying to use RWD cars on anything above B class. I hate having to go the AWD route but so far I have to or not be competitive against the AI. IF you want a tester for the Horizon addition, hit me up.

Tuning between H4 and F7 differs in a lot of aspects especially when using a rally suspension which is not available in F7. You are right about the springs rates though

There will be soon a separate QuickTune app with full support for Horizon 4 - stay tuned!

Edited by user Tuesday, October 23, 2018 5:24:39 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#103 Posted : Wednesday, October 24, 2018 5:35:54 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: fifty inch Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NihilEx7 Go to Quoted Post
I am a user of Latin America and would like to try the applications. fifty inch You have a code Free?

Check your PM

I want to try the app. fifty inch could you please give me a code Free?

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#104 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:47:35 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: debuger66 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: fifty inch Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: NihilEx7 Go to Quoted Post
I am a user of Latin America and would like to try the applications. fifty inch You have a code Free?

Check your PM

I want to try the app. fifty inch could you please give me a code Free?


Check your PM :-)

Edited by user Thursday, October 25, 2018 4:48:12 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#105 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2018 9:07:39 AM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: Boosted4Ever Go to Quoted Post
Thanks guys, PMs sent. For anyone else interested in a free ForzaTune 7 download code feel free to include your preference (iOS or Android) when emailing or messaging.

I sent you a message greetings Richard
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#106 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2018 1:56:04 PM(UTC)
Good day, please and I can try qt on Android
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#107 Posted : Thursday, October 25, 2018 1:59:02 PM(UTC)
Good day, please and I can try qt on Android
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#108 Posted : Monday, October 29, 2018 12:08:01 AM(UTC)
All codes have been sent - thanks guys for checking QuickTune out!
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#109 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:33:23 PM(UTC)
Any news on the QT app for Horizon 4 ??
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#110 Posted : Tuesday, October 30, 2018 10:22:28 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: GLR Asteroid Go to Quoted Post
Any news on the QT app for Horizon 4 ??

I’m shooting for a mid November release - stay tuned!

Edited by user Tuesday, October 30, 2018 10:48:59 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#111 Posted : Wednesday, October 31, 2018 3:37:19 AM(UTC)
Bought both at the weekend, hopefully I'll get time this weekend to experiment with them a little. For me the winner will be the one that's best at preserving some of the character of individual cars while taming their worst qualities.

I've just come back to Forza after a break of maybe 4 years but my recollection of FT from those days is that while it's no substitute for a properly-tuned car, it's great for opening up a whole range of cars that other people aren't interested in tuning. And given that my days of being able to ask people to tune quirky things for me are long gone, that's definitely what I need!
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#112 Posted : Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:57:49 PM(UTC)
I've had more time with these tuners, and that has changed my opinion a bit, so I thought I would update here.

I find that I really like the output of FT7, particularly combined with the track specific focus, and a fine tuning adjuster that usually works great for adjusting things I want to change with far more finesse than I would have applied. (i.e. it tweaks all related settings to keep better balance when I would have focused more on one or two).

However, one word of warning. I noted that on my older Android tablet, which has been relegated to laying around handy for this purpose, the FT7 isn't updating, and had some issues with UI layout. For instance, the "reset" button for the fine tuning sliders wasn't visible off the bottom of the panel. There were no scroll bar clues, but I found if I drag/flick it up, the button is now visible, but you have to know to look for it. However, I had no such problem on my Pixel 2 phone (point being form factor + latest android update), which I now use almost exclusively. In short, this has been my go-to tuning calculator.

But... I found that some cars just don't respond as well to the FT7 tunes. For my preference, most AWD need a lot of oversteer dialed in, sometimes beyond the max allowed by the tuning sliders. And some RWD cars as well. Examples include the FE Viper and FE Z06. Both of these cars were "good" with FT7 tunes, but still had issues I couldn't get fixed. On these cars I've used the QT7 tunes with great effect. With only a little tweaking, the Z06 I had to work to place in short "Unbeatable" races became a whole different animal making placing MUCH easier. I'm still struggling with some issues on the FE Viper, but the QT tune is allot closer to getting it sorted than I was able to achieve with FT7.

In summary, I'm very glad I have both. I still turn to FT7 first as it provides cars that suit my driving style (or lack thereof) most of the time, and I've found the track specific tunes to be very nice as well. However, I am very happy that I have QT7, and for whatever reason, almost every time I've struggled with a tune, QT7 gave me a tune much closer to what I wanted. I'm not much inclined to race the FWD cars, so don't yet have an opinion on those.
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#113 Posted : Wednesday, November 7, 2018 2:05:39 PM(UTC)
I forgot to add, neither tuner works well with cars that can't fully upgrade suspension, usually due to Homologation limits. In those cases, you may have adjustable sway bars, but without the race suspension. So most of the settings you are given are pointless, and the sway bars will be set to match the spring rates that you can't adjust. In those cases I've found that you can learn a lot from the general balance shown in the calculator, then try to apply that ballance to the spring rates you don't know.

So you have to fall back on what tuning skills you may have, or go to one of the various tuning flow charts to try to get where you want to go. But a lot of that is going to be just seat of the pants tuning using telemetry and observation...
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#114 Posted : Wednesday, November 7, 2018 10:05:22 PM(UTC)
Originally Posted by: NightDriver7800 Go to Quoted Post
Nevertheless, I've found that the app's slider settings you feel comfortable with for one car will apply to others with the same configuration, which is in line with the findings of seasoned tuners, who usually transplant tuning sliders in the game from one car to another with good results.

Thanks BadDog1966 and Henny996. Do you all have a preferred setup for the sliders in FT7. I've been doing 90/90/90% toward understeer on overall/turn entry/turn exit balance and 120/120 toward firmer on ride and roll stiffness.

Have had a few weird outputs in FT7. Like with '16 Jeep Trailcat with off-road setup the ARB recommendation is 1.0 and spring settings are outside of the parameters of the vehicle.

Two things I'd like to know is why are ARB's always softer recommendation and what is the threshold for when you do gear tuning. After a 100 hp increase or something more drastic?

Can't wait for that Horizon 4 calculator Fifty.
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#115 Posted : Thursday, November 8, 2018 1:57:12 PM(UTC)
In QT, there are no tuning sliders. In FT, I always start a new car/tune with the sliders balanced (the button at the bottom resets to 100). Then, only after driving enough to at least start to figure out the car and get fairly consistent (at least enough to start recognizing car characteristics vs my driving), only then start tweaking the sliders as I fee for areas I identify. In short, every car/tune will have different positions for the tuning sliders as called for by observations in test drive. Making those adjustments is how you deal with cars where the base suggested tune is "weird" or deficient in various ways when your driving tendencies are applied. As for your Trailcat, I haven't seen an output like that, so can't comment.

I've come to adjust ARBs upward in most FT tunes, but not all. Sometimes the default tune works spectacularly in that respect. QT produces tunes that are much tighter (springs dampers and ARB), but some cars when my driving style is applied on certain parts of tracks become really easy to get unrecoverable out of shape. Softening those often helps me, but not necessarily you. It's part of figuring out how the tunes produced relate to your driving for a given car on a given circuit.

Watch the gear tuning tutorial video (link in app). Basically, you only need to change the gearing when you do significant motor changes. Anything that changes the curve (engine swap, turbos, etc), or extends the redline (cams). Otherwise, the advice is not to do the gear tuning in FT7. However, some cars just feel wrong with wide or short gear spacing, or spacing that doesn't suit prominent features of a given circuit. Others may have widely spaced gearing that drops you out of the torque curve, and on tacks without long straights, you may never use the top 1 or 2 gears, so a close ratio can really make a difference. But you have to balance that against losses from excessive shifting.

So, at a minimum, where I can, I start with adjusting the final drive (differential) ratio to maximize attributes I'm focusing on. That usually means 0-100, 1/4 mile, and/or top speed depending. If I feel the individual gearing needs adjusting, I often do that seat of the pants. But I also sometimes see what affect a generated gear spacing from the apps suggests. Sometimes they address my desires with little effort, sometimes I keep poking till I get something I' satisfied with. But in general, the base gearing is fine unless you radically change the motor's torque curve.
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#116 Posted : Friday, November 9, 2018 10:03:16 PM(UTC)
Thank you much for that explanation. Learning so much here. Yes I need to hit Boosted's channel and watch his tuning videos and yes some cars I feel just need a slight gear tune even if not heavily modified but usually I just leave them alone.

Yes have been meaning to try stiffening ARB's a bit more. It seems both apps prefer to soften them and springs as well. I'm still clueless on differentials. Most of the FT7 ones are set to 65/30. I know they distribute power to the ground but need to learn more about them. Such drastic changes usually from the apps aka 100/10 going to 65/30. From what you said about adjusting final drive to the goal you are looking for, that helps me a bit.

Sometimes I feel like I spend more time tuning than driving. It can be fun but also tedious. Refuse to just download tunes though. I've also noticed I'm very conservative with the mods. Haven't done any engine swaps or even big upgrades yet. Just do the necessary ones to unlock adjustments.
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