Brakes

[PJTierney]

@Will_Driver_C

@PJTierney

I suggested loading screen tips before, sounds simple and non-intrusive enough while also guaranteeing that a message is read.

It’s too late for Forza Motorsport 6 anyway.

There are tips in the loading screens. At the bottom right in small text. I think you get one that says do most of your braking on the straight before turning in. Although, I can’t remember if this is in MP or is just in SP?

I miss the FM3 loading screens. They had basic tips and cool bits of automotive information. It was nice to read.

I’m aware of those, and forgotten most of them because of how tucked away they were.

Something like this is what I had in mind:

@PJTierney

I still believe that education is the way forward, rather than anything hard-coded. The challenge with educating players however lies on how to get their attention. The players that “need help” in terms of racecraft may not be the type who’ll actively search it out, so putting it somewhere obvious may be the best option:

Here’s a good example from Grand Theft Auto Online. I’m sure something similar in a Forza styling would {a} make players pay attention before a Multiplayer Race and {b} encourage them to try out the tips in their next race, resulting in cleaner racing overall. Imagine the following with tips explaining how to go 2-wide around a corner, where are the safest places to overtake etc.

Also, since it’s on-topic:

@PJTierney

I think we’re going round in circles when it comes to making online racing a cleaner experience.

There are a number of things that can help remedy the situation, some of which we can do ourselves, and some of which rely on Turn 10 taking some initiative:

• (Player) Report persistent troublemakers via Xbox Live’s features and policies.
• (Player) Vote to Kick a problem player while in a lobby with them.
• (Player) Leave a lobby and find another one which may hopefully be cleaner.
• (Player) Start using the League Hoppers.
• (Player) Race privately with friends.
• (Player) Get involved with Racing Clubs and other people who organise private races & championships.
• (Player) Educate yourself and others on the fundamentals of clean racing.
• (Turn 10) Improve the effectiveness of Vote to Kick in lobbies.
• (Turn 10) Have grids sorted by some form of performance metric rather than random assignment, such as Fastest Lap, Previous Result etc.
• (Turn 10) Have some sort of system in place that rewards clean racers and punishes dirty racers.
• (Turn 10) Have some in-game features that can help educate more players on the fundamentals of clean racing, such as loading screen tips, tutorial videos etc.
• (Turn 10) Have a subpage on Forzamotorsport.net which gives tips on how to have an enjoyable Multiplayer experience.
• (Turn 10) Open up League Hoppers to be active for longer time periods.

That’s just a small summary, I’m sure there are more things that both we and Turn 10 can do to help make racing more enjoyable for everyone but until something changes there’s not really much point in talking about the same things over and over.

[iMuddyPuddle]

Just had a race round Laguna, with the guy in 2nd, driving an xbow, constantly braille braking, until the last corner when i was hit hard enough to dump me into the sand. No apology, nor did they wait for me. Just because he had a lb car, he thought he had the right to finish 1st. If i run that close to someone, i nearly always adopt a separate braking line, to ensure that I dont take them out, through a mistake on my part.

[RM_KrypticKhaos]

My favorite is when you’re going into the first turn and your braking early to allow all the traffic to make the turn and the guys behind hit you and then get mad that you are actually using your brakes properly.

[HarlekinSlayer]

Have a break, have a kitkat

[B_Wald_Big_Mek]

@HarlekinSlayer

Have a break, have a kitkat

Have a brake, and don’t eat behind the wheel

[Rx_Vitamin_R]

Here’s another perfect example: He didn’t ghost properly, so I couldn’t avoid the initial hit.

https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=F59BC1F0D4888E55&id=F59BC1F0D4888E55!1158&parId=F59BC1F0D4888E55!178&o=OneUp

[I_AM_DAGZ]

Doing league racing sometimes is a blast! Other times its… ridiculous.

In Season 2 I haven’t seen a lot of “Wreckers” per se. Thankfully!

However what I am finding a lot of is people that have no respect for each other. I don’t mind someone not seeing me and swiping in to the side of me, it happens. I can even live with a pileup here or there and I don’t make it through.

What I AM Tired of is people who use me for their brakes, shoving me past the turn (usually in to the wall ahead, or off in to the grass/dirt, anyway).

If you are faster than me, I will stay to one side, You can PASS me.
If you aren’t paying attention, well don’t race in leagues!
Perhaps I braked a little early (I don’t SLAM on the brakes so its not excuse), brake past me then, next to me, cut me off, etc…

I understand sometimes it happens, and I have no qualms with a little friendly bumping, but this is not that, and its getting old. It happens WAY more than it should. Particularly in the last lap when people seem to throw out the rules to get that extra place or two.

Come on people, just treat others like you want to be treated. You wouldn’t be happy if I came in to you at 10-15mph faster than I should be going at the end of the straight and shoved you off the track meanwhile you keep going!

/rantoff

[Virtched]

I understand how you feel. I have accidentally bumped people in the rear in the leagues, because they were slowing down to much, and I was coming in at a proper speed, braking at the right time. Well, those people that I accidentally pushed into the grass, took it personally and decided to come back and ram me from behind, without braking at all. They damaged my car and put me out of the race, but they got to continue on. And this is in the Leagues, in the Super Trofeo series! I’m a clean racer, accidents do happen, but don’t take it too personally! I understand if you tapped me, and I lost control. I can tell the difference. But if you purposely come and slam into me, then I will have a score to settle with you. But, back to the topic on hand, I fully agree with you.

[EpicEvan777]

@TheRockJericho

I understand how you feel. I have accidentally bumped people in the rear in the leagues, because they were slowing down to much, and I was coming in at a proper speed, braking at the right time. Well, those people that I accidentally pushed into the grass, took it personally and decided to come back and ram me from behind, without braking at all. They damaged my car and put me out of the race, but they got to continue on. And this is in the Leagues, in the Super Trofeo series! I’m a clean racer, accidents do happen, but don’t take it too personally! I understand if you tapped me, and I lost control. I can tell the difference. But if you purposely come and slam into me, then I will have a score to settle with you. But, back to the topic on hand, I fully agree with you.

This happens a lot. If I bump someone accidentally I send someone a message and usually all is good but occasionally you get a guy who just wants to pick a fight and that ruins the experience for many of us.

[Zedeeyen]

There are two scenarios:

1. You get bumped. The guy passes you. You get furious. You swear. Possibly more bad things happen.

2. You get bumped. The guy passes you. You get furious. The guys gives you the place back and maybe apologises. You mumble “no problem mate, accidents happen”.

You can tell when you’re in a good lobby because there’s more apologising than swearing.

[ezrae]

@THE DAGZ

Doing league racing sometimes is a blast! Other times its… ridiculous.

In Season 2 I haven’t seen a lot of “Wreckers” per se. Thankfully!

However what I am finding a lot of is people that have no respect for each other. I don’t mind someone not seeing me and swiping in to the side of me, it happens. I can even live with a pileup here or there and I don’t make it through.

What I AM Tired of is people who use me for their brakes, shoving me past the turn (usually in to the wall ahead, or off in to the grass/dirt, anyway).

If you are faster than me, I will stay to one side, You can PASS me.
If you aren’t paying attention, well don’t race in leagues!
Perhaps I braked a little early (I don’t SLAM on the brakes so its not excuse), brake past me then, next to me, cut me off, etc…

I understand sometimes it happens, and I have no qualms with a little friendly bumping, but this is not that, and its getting old. It happens WAY more than it should. Particularly in the last lap when people seem to throw out the rules to get that extra place or two.

Come on people, just treat others like you want to be treated. You wouldn’t be happy if I came in to you at 10-15mph faster than I should be going at the end of the straight and shoved you off the track meanwhile you keep going!

/rantoff

I know, it is just unbelievable. I have done all the Trofeo leagues. 80-100 races. every single time slammed in the rear. if I start 1st , 2nd, 3rd, 4th, slammed in the rear. if I start 18th or back I get to watch the mayhem. You would think at least some of the racers would get it, do not damage the car and you will finish the race without quitting and ruin everyone’s points. A lot of races I have been in 24 start and 12 finish, and why, because you damaged your car or someone by slamming in to it. I got in a league race the other night, last night of season 2 week 1 league. First Race,22 racers, everyone of us made it around the first turn. I was in heaven, yes maybe a good lobby, I started 10th, So I was watching the mini map and I saw every car make it around turn one, last turn of the lap I had made my way to 2nd place, nice clean racing, I was having a blast, all of the sudden WHAM in the rear, knocked off the track spun around hit the wall, race over, Well so much for that, I knew the guy could have never hit his brakes for the impact I took was severe, thank you very much you buffoon.

[PJTierney]

Some people are just not very good at racing with others. They’re not deliberately wrecking opponents, but simply haven’t got the skill, experience or patience (sometimes all 3) to position their car in such a way that they can make a clean pass.

Not a whole lot you can do about that as by the time those players have learned how to pass cleanly a new generation of racers will have showed up making the same rookie mistakes.

Focus on your own driving habits and pace level; if you can get quick enough to escape from the pack, you’ll only have 1 or 2 cars to worry about, and the chance of having a clean race increases.

[Mr_Quint_808]

Does anybody else feel it may be down to which view you drive in, I went from the behind the car view to cockpit, to now hood driving, as I think I am faster like this, but it is hindered somewhat with overall awareness of other cars I find it hard to overtake on corners in this view as you cant see at the sides like you can from above, and even in cockpit view you sometimes have a rear view mirror and door mirrors.

I tend to overtake on a straight if possible even then I can miss judge it in hood view and sometimes clip another car. I just find the above the car view less realistic than other views as the car seems to move unnaturally, even though I feel this would give the best vision of traffic around you but not necessarily behind. I know you can look left and right with the stick but when your in traffic this can make it worse.

[ezrae]

@Eldermc808

Does anybody else feel it may be down to which view you drive in, I went from the behind the car view to cockpit, to now hood driving, as I think I am faster like this, but it is hindered somewhat with overall awareness of other cars I find it hard to overtake on corners in this view as you cant see at the sides like you can from above, and even in cockpit view you sometimes have a rear view mirror and door mirrors.

I tend to overtake on a straight if possible even then I can miss judge it in hood view and sometimes clip another car. I just find the above the car view less realistic than other views as the car seems to move unnaturally, even though I feel this would give the best vision of traffic around you but not necessarily behind. I know you can look left and right with the stick but when your in traffic this can make it worse.

You need to use your right thumb stick.

[Mr_Quint_808]

@ezrae

@Eldermc808

Does anybody else feel it may be down to which view you drive in, I went from the behind the car view to cockpit, to now hood driving, as I think I am faster like this, but it is hindered somewhat with overall awareness of other cars I find it hard to overtake on corners in this view as you cant see at the sides like you can from above, and even in cockpit view you sometimes have a rear view mirror and door mirrors.

I tend to overtake on a straight if possible even then I can miss judge it in hood view and sometimes clip another car. I just find the above the car view less realistic than other views as the car seems to move unnaturally, even though I feel this would give the best vision of traffic around you but not necessarily behind. I know you can look left and right with the stick but when your in traffic this can make it worse.

You need to use your right thumb stick.

Doh!!!

[ezrae]

@Eldermc808

@ezrae

@Eldermc808

Does anybody else feel it may be down to which view you drive in, I went from the behind the car view to cockpit, to now hood driving, as I think I am faster like this, but it is hindered somewhat with overall awareness of other cars I find it hard to overtake on corners in this view as you cant see at the sides like you can from above, and even in cockpit view you sometimes have a rear view mirror and door mirrors.

I tend to overtake on a straight if possible even then I can miss judge it in hood view and sometimes clip another car. I just find the above the car view less realistic than other views as the car seems to move unnaturally, even though I feel this would give the best vision of traffic around you but not necessarily behind. I know you can look left and right with the stick but when your in traffic this can make it worse.

You need to use your right thumb stick.

Doh!!!

real quick click view side to side.
that is the only way sorry

[FEVER_T1ME]

@PJTierney

Some people are just not very good at racing with others. They’re not deliberately wrecking opponents, but simply haven’t got the skill, experience or patience (sometimes all 3) to position their car in such a way that they can make a clean pass.

Not a whole lot you can do about that as by the time those players have learned how to pass cleanly a new generation of racers will have showed up making the same rookie mistakes.

Focus on your own driving habits and pace level; if you can get quick enough to escape from the pack, you’ll only have 1 or 2 cars to worry about, and the chance of having a clean race increases.

Agreed, and everyone has different tunes, so handling on some tunes may not be as perfect. I just wish people would let the faster cars go and not hold them up and cause an accident by holding up a cluster of them later.

[Mr_Quint_808]

@ezrae

@Eldermc808

@ezrae

@Eldermc808

Does anybody else feel it may be down to which view you drive in, I went from the behind the car view to cockpit, to now hood driving, as I think I am faster like this, but it is hindered somewhat with overall awareness of other cars I find it hard to overtake on corners in this view as you cant see at the sides like you can from above, and even in cockpit view you sometimes have a rear view mirror and door mirrors.

I tend to overtake on a straight if possible even then I can miss judge it in hood view and sometimes clip another car. I just find the above the car view less realistic than other views as the car seems to move unnaturally, even though I feel this would give the best vision of traffic around you but not necessarily behind. I know you can look left and right with the stick but when your in traffic this can make it worse.

You need to use your right thumb stick.

Doh!!!

real quick click view side to side.
that is the only way sorry

I have hands like shovels with freakishly big thumbs… side to side real quick ain’t gonna happen

[ezrae]

@Eldermc808

@ezrae

@Eldermc808

@ezrae

@Eldermc808

Does anybody else feel it may be down to which view you drive in, I went from the behind the car view to cockpit, to now hood driving, as I think I am faster like this, but it is hindered somewhat with overall awareness of other cars I find it hard to overtake on corners in this view as you cant see at the sides like you can from above, and even in cockpit view you sometimes have a rear view mirror and door mirrors.

I tend to overtake on a straight if possible even then I can miss judge it in hood view and sometimes clip another car. I just find the above the car view less realistic than other views as the car seems to move unnaturally, even though I feel this would give the best vision of traffic around you but not necessarily behind. I know you can look left and right with the stick but when your in traffic this can make it worse.

You need to use your right thumb stick.

Doh!!!

real quick click view side to side.
that is the only way sorry

I have hands like shovels with freakishly big thumbs… side to side real quick ain’t gonna happen

It will be fine, just like everything else you have to get used to it. When you switched to hood view I bet you thought this is not going to work, right. Once you got used to it, I am sure it works.
It works very well, I use it all the time. Just real quick, just to see if anyone is there, once you get used to it you can even angle it and look over your shoulder, or to the rear. Has to be real quick, click, off. Just like that. Just like looking at your rpm quick back to track.

[Mr_Quint_808]

@ezrae

@Eldermc808

@ezrae

@Eldermc808

@ezrae

@Eldermc808

Does anybody else feel it may be down to which view you drive in, I went from the behind the car view to cockpit, to now hood driving, as I think I am faster like this, but it is hindered somewhat with overall awareness of other cars I find it hard to overtake on corners in this view as you cant see at the sides like you can from above, and even in cockpit view you sometimes have a rear view mirror and door mirrors.

I tend to overtake on a straight if possible even then I can miss judge it in hood view and sometimes clip another car. I just find the above the car view less realistic than other views as the car seems to move unnaturally, even though I feel this would give the best vision of traffic around you but not necessarily behind. I know you can look left and right with the stick but when your in traffic this can make it worse.

You need to use your right thumb stick.

Doh!!!

real quick click view side to side.
that is the only way sorry

I have hands like shovels with freakishly big thumbs… side to side real quick ain’t gonna happen

It will be fine, just like everything else you have to get used to it. When you switched to hood view I bet you thought this is not going to work, right. Once you got used to it, I am sure it works.
It works very well, I use it all the time. Just real quick, just to see if anyone is there, once you get used to it you can even angle it and look over your shoulder, or to the rear. Has to be real quick, click, off. Just like that. Just like looking at your rpm quick back to track.

I appreciate the advise and I will give it a go, in career mode so as not to create more accidents. Thanks Man