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I know practice, practice practice, but what if we're continually makinf the same mistake over and over. Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and never improving. I've always had problems with sharp curves. Can advanced controller settings be adjusted to help.

I'll probably get abused for saying this but I wish Turn 10 put up an educational article on all areas of tuning and driving.

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Chrysler ME Four-Twelve Please.
Original LCE Owner.
Porsche Expansion Pack Owner.

well the tip i give to my club members is to watch a few replays of the top drivers.. and the spots you are having a rough go at use the left trigger to slow it down a bit and watch what they do and then try and mimic it a slower speeds and speed up each lap until you master it

Take it from me dude, i was terrible when i started this game and had the same troubles as you. I continued to race online and get experience until i finally started to get a hang of the game.Not saying i win every race, but im finishing in the top 5 75% of my races now just won a 9 Player online ranked race while being bumped out of the race 3-4 times. Funny thing is im not even that great yet but im making strides. My tips for you is this, dont worry about winning yet, worry about correcting your techniques, attacking your mistakes and weakness and getting them down first before trying to be fast. Once you correct your technique than start going a little faster, you are most likely messing up because you are trying to go too fast while not having your technique down yet. Theres lots to being a sim racer than ppl think, its not just press the gas and steer, you have to be discipline without assist, like i said, forget about trying to be fast right now, just try and perfect your technique, making turns correct, downshifting and braking correctly without spinning out and leaving a little gas for the car to make the turn ect... if u need some more tips add on xbox live, il do a few races with ya and try and see what ur doing wrong.

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Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose.
-Ayrton Senna

Get a R2 race car with a good handling bar, and practice with it, and only it. Go to La Sarthe and practice there.

Why a race car? Because you'll know if you make mistakes, it's you, and not the car. Why La Sarthe? Because it's a very simple track with three long straights and multiple different kinds of turns.

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Full-sim Fanatec CSR
Tuner + Painter

Racing takes in many different disciplines. You need awareness and communication when racing closely, consistency to stay fast and experience to know when to attack and when to concede so you don't put yourself in bad positions.

They are very different skills to just being a fast driver. I've come across plenty of fast people who are not great racers and vice versa - they are not mutually exclusive.

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If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

Driving a car in FM4 is exactly like learning how to play guitar. Here's the trick:

1) Go ahead and drive fast! Like a rocket! Bump into stuff! Just not in multiplayer if you can help it.

2) Great. Now drive slow! Not too slow. Just way under what you feel is the edge of  your ability .

3) Drive fast again! Not very fast though. Drive just a little faster than you did in step 2. Pay attention to where you start losing control and back off just a really miniscule amount from there.

4) i forgot what this one was. fnord

5) Repeat steps 3-5 until you are driving at the bleeding edge of control.

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...do you believe that?



Whaddya talking about? That was a kiss! It means i love ya!

In my experience it always helped to learn a track in a rather slow car. That way you really have time to concentrate on the lines. Once I really know the track by heart (which usually takes about 15 to 50 laps), I switch to the faster cars. 

If you start in a fast car it may be more fun, but the lines you learn will not be as clean, the braking and turn in points not as precise. Of course you have to adjust all that to the faster car, but that is easier if you already know the correct way around the track. 

Other than that it is just practice like you said. And sometimes it makes sense to just switch to another car/track combo before you get frustrated. 

In terms of the tight corners there is a simple rule of thumb. The tighter the corner, the later you turn in.

And slow in/fast out always helps as well. But I am sure you are aware of that. Is there a particular car/track combo that you struggle with? 

transmothra:

Driving a car in FM4 is exactly like learning how to play guitar. Here's the trick:

1) Go ahead and drive fast! Like a rocket! Bump into stuff! Just not in multiplayer if you can help it.

2) Great. Now drive slow! Not too slow. Just way under what you feel is the edge of  your ability .

3) Drive fast again! Not very fast though. Drive just a little faster than you did in step 2. Pay attention to where you start losing control and back off just a really miniscule amount from there.

4) i forgot what this one was. fnord

5) Repeat steps 3-5 until you are driving at the bleeding edge of control.

I do not mean to offend you, but nobody should follow that advice. If you take racing seriously that is. 

This link will take you to a thread I started on the forums that should help answer some of your questions. The thread is all about learning to be a better driver / tuner. Please comment in the thread if it helps you out! 

 

http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/5209921.aspx

watch real racing.

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Balance>Grip

I tried the real racing thing but my wife won't let me bring my 350z into the living room. To be more specific;I lose a lot of speed exitig corners as compared to most others that I have raced against. Ghosts mainly. I don't race on -line because I don't need the agravation.

Here's a tip; sometimes slower is faster.

Usually, it's corner-entry where people mess up. People tend to brake too late regardless of having someone in front of them or not. What happens next is a chain of events: screw the pooch on entry, miss the apex, scrub off a lot of speed, get a poor exit, and ruin the lap. 

More times than not, you're better off taking it a little easier going into a turn, keeping things neat & tidy, and focusing your efforts on getting the best possible exit. Corner exit is substantially more important than the entry. 

In racing context; you let person your fighting position with do the 'late brake' thing. If you're close and put enough pressure on them, they'll screw up eventually. Even if you're not close, there's a good possibility that the leader will lock something up or blow a corner. Lots of people like tunes that have too little camber and this melts the outside edges of the tires. Lap 1 performance is good while Lap 3 gets a little tricky for cars set up like this. Braking suffers as well as cornering grip. 

Stay patient and you'll weave your way to the front if you train yourself to enter a corner in a way that gives you the best exit instead of waiting to brake at the last possible moment. 

Another thing to be mindful of; if you find yourself on and off the gas mid corner - you came in too hot. Slow down next time so when you're on the gas you don't have to come off it. You'll find you're faster thru the corner this way and your lap times will drop. 

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BrutherSuperior

S1GNING 1N:

I tried the real racing thing but my wife won't let me bring my 350z into the living room. To be more specific;I lose a lot of speed exitig corners as compared to most others that I have raced against. Ghosts mainly. I don't race on -line because I don't need the agravation.

 There is an excellent book/epub that I got after Forza 4 came out, Speed Secrets: Professional Race Driving Techniques, by Ross Bentley.

It has some really good tips in it, especially on cornering where it compares early and late apexing, and prioritizing corners. One of the tips is that if you have a corner with a long straight after it, it is often better to enter the corner slower, and wider, take the late apex, and exit fast, this will give you a better acceleration out of the corner, which will give you an edge over carrying as much speed through the corner.  

But there are lots of tricks to getting around the tracks better. Playing the rivals mode is an excellent way to see where you are falling behind a better racer. Just don't choose a rival that is too far ahead of you, you want to be able to keep up with the ghost for the most part, at least through the first few corners.  

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- meh...

i actually got a message from a lobby player the other day calling me a bum for breaking too early, lol.. funny thing was the guy that called me a bum was always in the grass everytime i was near him, and you wonder why....

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Being second is to be the first of the ones who lose.
-Ayrton Senna

Nightauditor81:

transmothra:

Driving a car in FM4 is exactly like learning how to play guitar. Here's the trick:

1) Go ahead and drive fast! Like a rocket! Bump into stuff! Just not in multiplayer if you can help it.

2) Great. Now drive slow! Not too slow. Just way under what you feel is the edge of  your ability .

3) Drive fast again! Not very fast though. Drive just a little faster than you did in step 2. Pay attention to where you start losing control and back off just a really miniscule amount from there.

4) i forgot what this one was. fnord

5) Repeat steps 3-5 until you are driving at the bleeding edge of control.

I do not mean to offend you, but nobody should follow that advice. If you take racing seriously that is. 

What's wrong with that? All I'm saying is start slow after testing what happens when you drive too fast, then slowly get faster and faster until you have achieved perfect control of your car. You have to know the edge of your car's limits (and improve your own).

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Whaddya talking about? That was a kiss! It means i love ya!

Some people dont understand that braking late is the fools move in most cases, as it leaves you wide open for a cutback from the early braking car. Some people also dont understand what a "racing line" is and think they can pass anywhere there is a 2 millimeter gap between you and the corner apex.

 

Apex, apex, apex, thats the way to win. If your going wide or sliding out, your to fast/bad line/bad setup for that track. Practice makes perfect.

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Forza 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 Owner

Total Number of Unicorns across all games to date;
Zero, Nada, Zip, Zilch, Nix, Naught

The most obvious tip can be... slow in, fast out.

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Unicorns: Camaro SS, Mugen Integra, Shelby GT500, RX7 Spirit R, BMW M3 GTR Street, ferrari 360cs, HKS CT230r Time Attack Evo, Honda NSX-R GT, Subaru STi S204, Mines R34 GTR,

I am sorry, I actually misread something in step 3. It sounds like a viable plan, although I tend to work from slow to fast. 

I feel that you will find much better lines if you start off slow and in slower cars. But that is a very subjective thing, so everybody should do what they feel comfortable with. 

And it has to be fun! 

Hey Guys! Thanks for all the tips.I knocked a second off my rival Wiesmann Time by using your advice on corners. I need to practice so that it becomes automatic. I was using too much brake alot of the time.