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I truly loved this game until i entered expert division. The AI here is about 1000x harder than the hardest AI i FM3. The other issue i have, and this has been from day one, is that they always try to ram you off the road. Until i reached expert division i have been able to overtake them before the first corner and then outrun them but now if they are close enough they NEVER brake instead they just ram into me making the little "damage thingy" shine more red than a fire truck and run me off the track. This never fails in EVERY race i get this sometimes i can avoid it but not often. 

 

Why is there no way to change the AI difficulty in world tour is it just for the pro's so me as a bad driver shouldn't even drive the world tour and just use event list so i can change the difficulty?

I would love to race against this difficulty if i could have ONE clean race but no they do everything just to take you off the track or crash your car. In what racing league is it allowed to ram people of the road and get no penalty at all for? And yes i know about demolition derbys and no this is not what i want to race. 

I whole heartedly agree. I had to turn the damage from simulation to cosmetic because I cannot finish a race without AI ramming me and causing major damage early in the races.

One thing I don't get about the AI is how no matter the fact we are all in the same Car, Same class and same Pi that the AI can catch me up on a long stretch and ram me on the corner to take the lead. It's uttlerly infuriating.

Yeah,there is a huge problem with the A.I. in World Tour Mode.

I did a little test in multiple cars with different options between Event List and World Tour and found that the A.I. in World Tour is running on a difficulty level that is ABOVE the hard setting.

This seems to be enough of a problem that there are tons of posts about the Cheating, super hard, A.I. in World Tour mode.

Hopefully Turn 10 Will do an update to allow players to choose the A.I. Difficulty setting in World Tour like you could in Career mode in Forza 3 and in Event mode in Forza 4.

Until then, you just have to play in Event list to get any control over the A.I. to enjoy the game. I call the Event List the "Racing Simulator" and World Tour the "Demolition Arcade"

I whole heartily agree. I had to turn off the simulation damage to cosmetic because I could not have 1 clean race. The AI would do so much damage that I couldn't even finish the race, it's horrible. Even then it doesn't stop the AI cheaply knocking you down a few places during a race.

I had to turn my damage off too for all the same reasons. The world tour mode just aint as fun as FM3 was in career mode. T10 should just add AI difficulty back in! I strive to run clean laps and it is next to impossable to do that in world tour :(

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I wish T10 would just put the AI difficulty back in the assists menu. I strive to run clean laps and it is next to impossible to do that with the way the AI drives. I also had to turn my damage off for the same reasons as you :( I am deffinetly more then annoyed at the way the AI races in FM4 I will have to start racing in the event list too I guess :( which sucks because I like the format of the world tour mode

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Oh Yeah...Get Some!

Sadly my experience has been similar. Every time I brake for a corner the AI trys to outbrake me but instead use me as a cushion.

 

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I consider myself a pretty good driver, and knowing that sometimes I can't even beat the cheating little AI, I wonder how beginner players could ever stand a chance?

 

I have beaten expert and just started professional and have not experienced any of these problems.    I have had the AI once cut across the drag strip and hit me but never any problems with them in world tour I have won most of the races I entered by a fairly large margin unless I made a mistake in the final few turns.

iHiggins v12:

Sadly my experience has been similar. Every time I brake for a corner the AI trys to outbrake me but instead use me as a cushion.

 

 

That's funny. I do the same thing to the AI

 That's what they get for not giving up the racing line!

 

Anyways, I am only level.... 15? 16? And JUST started Expert level on the World Tour. I hope its not as bad as everyone says. I don't mind a difficult AI, but to drive dirty? PATCH PLEASE. 

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I definitely agree with you guys as well. And if they don't end up destroying my car somehow the AI just drives past me on a straight like I'm sitting still. Basically this AI bs, and the fact that split screen is now completely worthless (no drag race, only one single race type, barely any options to change) has really turned me off from what seemed to be an amazing game at first.

i race purely stock vehicles and started having difficulty with the AI in the expert season, but once i passed it they calmed back down and let me race again so im guessing its just this season they really get aggressive.

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iHiggins v12:

Sadly my experience has been similar. Every time I brake for a corner the AI trys to outbrake me but instead use me as a cushion.

 

 

That's funny. I do the same thing to the AI

 That's what they get for not giving up the racing line!

 

Anyways, I am only level.... 15? 16? And JUST started Expert level on the World Tour. I hope its not as bad as everyone says. I don't mind a difficult AI, but to drive dirty? PATCH PLEASE. 

I've done the same to help the frustration. You can't help but smile when you ram the idiotic AI driver off the track for hitting you in the last turn :D 

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Level 61 here.

Not seeing the ridiculous or extremely difficult AI, In fact I quite like the way they dive up the inside late braking you to the apex if you leave the door slightly open.

Sure they make the odd mistake sometimes, but they're by far the...

 

Best Forza A.I yet 

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The AI this version are actually very much improved and tend to be more agressive, but if they hit you, it's YOUR fault. A good driver has spacial awareness and can predict when they are going to brake or overtake.

Having said that, I'm just starting Professional and I have had a few times, especially if you use the rewind feature, where they seem to over-react and cause accidents.

 

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What's really fun to get your frustrations out is to take the Range Rover on the Fujimi Kaido segments, the point to point races against another car in traffic, and just smash everything. Use the slow "civilian" cars to keep you on the road . :) ah the crushing sound of other cars when the AI has you down.

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Problem that seemed to start after the title update where it seems the AI and I do not have the same grip. Another odd thing is it seems like if there is an AI driver in 1st hes on rails normally there is nothing i can do to catch him. Once I pass him its like he gives up or something cause I then end up with a 10-20 second lead.

Hate to say this but I got really angry and have yet to go back to world tour.

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Well I agree sometimes but I'm not losing at all, sometimes I have to race a little dirty, but I don't think I've lost even once. Sometimes the driver in the yellow car smashes into me at the start, and Rossi is as aggressive as ever, but it's honestly not that bad.

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I am level 49 now, and around the 4th/5th year, I noticed the AI became a challenge. At that point, I started racing S-class, and noted I have to bump my way to the front very quickly in the early stage of the race, or the leader just gets away with the few laps the game has per race.

Aside from that, I have *very rarely* had the AI dive bomb me. Also, I really try to pressure the AI into making a mistake and NOT hitting them.

If you are having a problem with the AI hitting you, have you hit them before? I feel like this is a learning drivatar you are competing against, and if you are bumping and banging with late braking into other cars, guess what -- they are going to hit you too. If you race clean and don't touch them, I have seen them always get out of the way, or take evasive action if I brake harder then them in a brake zone.

Please note I am playing with zero assists (Expert) in the 4th/5th season with S-Class and A-Class cars.

Other than having to get to the front fast with a RWD, I don't see the AI as the problem. I have been the problem, and I do get some AI taking revenge on me, but the car I have chosen and modified always has the legs in the straight, and I can always outbrake in the brake zones. 

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For those of you having trouble with the AI in World Tour mode --- how often do you finish the race mid-pack? or in the bottom three?

World Tour mode is really designed to be more like actual racing. What real-world driver finishes 1st in Every Single Race he enters? If you are winning every race, the AI will get tougher and tougher. If you are finishing in the back of the pack, the AI will ease-up.

Most players, though, aren't happy unless they "get the win." So, they restart, restart, restart... they use rewind to "undo" mistakes... they turn off damage so they can ram the AI... they start cutting the track... and so on. What they don't realize is, they are effectively telling the game: "I *always* finish first, so please make the AI harder to beat."

It's not impossible to have a clean race against the AI in World Tour mode. I have 4 replays on my storefront, showing reasonably clean racing. If you take a look, you'll notice that in some cases I intentionally put my car in a position for the AI to hit me (pinching on turns, etc) ... and they don't.

If you *must* finish 1st in every single race - but you're getting frustrated by the AI - then Event List is probably a better option for you.

- Don Ente

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