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The Build
Engine Parts: Sport Ignition, Sport Block  241hp/245tq
Platform Parts: All Race with Sport Weight Reduction   2,945lbs
Tires and Wheels:
     Tire Type/Brand:  Racing Slicks by Pirelli 30% Discount
     Rim Style:  Motegi Racing "Touge"
     Rim Width: 215/35-19 Stock Width
Spoilers and Diffusers: Full Forza Body Kit w/ Stillen Side Skirts, and C-West Street Hood

The Toon
Tire Pressure: 
     Front:  29psi
     Rear:29psi
Gearing:
     Final Drive:  3.61
     (1-6): 3.25, 2.10, 1.56, 1.23, 1.01, 0.86
Alignment:
     Camber Front:  -1.0
     Camber Rear:  -0.7
     Toe Front: +0.1
     Toe Rear:  -0.2
     Caster: 5.0
Anti Sway Bars:
     Front:  9.41
     Rear:  11.28
Springs:
     Front:  557.5 lb/in
     Rear:  465.8 lb/in
Dampers:
     Rebound Front:  7.2
     Rebound Rear:  5.9
     Bound Front:  3.6
     Bound Rear:  3.0
Aero Adjustment:
     Splitter (Ft):  50lbs
     Spoiler (Rr):  60lbs
Brake Bias:
     Bias:  47%
     Pressure:  100%
Differential:
     Acceleration:  40%
     Deceleration:  55%

This is an imperfect car.  It isn't good on every track and you may not like at least one aspect of it.  I could very easily go on about how I was able to set top 1000 times on each and every track in the game the first time I ran through them, several have been pushed back since then.  I could even say that I set at least one top 500 time using it.  Its not the normal go-fast car and I rarely run up against others online.  I could not say anything and put it up for sale but I don't think that's in the spirit of me.  If you followed my other Vehicle Balance thread this is one of the cars I tuned using that philosophy.  I want you to try it and leave feedback.  If you hate it tell me why.  If you absolutely love it, there has to be a reason.  I hope we can have a healthy discussion about the information I just presented.  No Flame Wars, I'm not the best, I'm just trying to start crap, I'm trying to encourage tuning as a part of the game not just a store.

This car shines on the snake tracks and it can hold its own on several real world tracks.  No car is good everywhere but I'll take this against most cars on most tracks.  Oh, one more thing, the trans is the actual IS300 tune from the 6-speed model so take it with a grain of salt.

And it begins.  Have fun.

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"Team Mugen makes me vomit."

Muscle-Inc Member and sole proprietor of Spanky's Speedshop

Great idea! I just built the car. I will drive it a little with its stock tune before I apply yours. I want to get a feel for the car first.

Its pretty late already so I will probably post feedback in a day or two.

Happy driving!

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Kixter

Great, I'll go try it out tonight when I get home....it is 11:44AM in South Africa at moment.

Will give you some feedback tomorrow.

I was actually reading through your Vehicle Balance thread the other day and the first car I built using it was a C class Lexus IS350.  I dropped the 4.3l V8 from the SC430 in it, bumped it up to 348hp/377lb-ft and left the weight and tires stock.  I have to say I'm very impressed with the results, this is probably one of the most competitive cars I've built.  The handling is very neutral, and the torque really pushes the 3500lbs worth of car out of the corners. It seems like a perfect balance of power and grip.

 

I'll have to give the IS300 a try and see how it compares.  Is the 4.3l V8 powertrain an option on the IS300?

What is the ride height of your tune?

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Kixter

All credit to ya fella.  Will give it a spin the box comes back from the red light removal shop. 
Last night I read through the full 19 page threard on yer "other forum" and after picking my exploded head up from the floor started looking forward to getting some of the cars I couldn't get working out of the garage and giving them another go.
Would love to have the Stratos and the Volvo up to race speed!

-K

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"Never knock on Death's door: ring the bell and run away! Death really hates that!"

GT: sk15kev

I have tow versions of the IS430 but never did the engine swap on an IS300, I'm pretty sure its available.  I really like the IS430 for its power and how smooth the pwer delivery is over a wide torque band.  I have one built out for A-class as well as for a restricted build A-class tournament.  Both are competative online, specially on Sunset.  It handles the infield well as has enough butt to scoot down the speedway section in the low 170's.   Not exactly a trade off if you ask me, just a well put together car.

The Ride Height of my car above is two clicks above the lowest setting.  I do adjust it up a bit if I'm going to the Ring or to Sebring, it can be very bumpy on the sweepers and the high rumble strips.

I appreciate you taking the time to visit our little slice of heaven.  There is a wealth of information over there and everyone is very nice, and helpful.  I'm sure if you dig enough you'll find what you need to get your Stratos and even the Volvo in good working order before too long.

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"Team Mugen makes me vomit."

Muscle-Inc Member and sole proprietor of Spanky's Speedshop

What is this "other forum" ?

kevinhinnels:

All credit to ya fella.  Will give it a spin the box comes back from the red light removal shop. 
Last night I read through the full 19 page threard on yer "other forum" and after picking my exploded head up from the floor started looking forward to getting some of the cars I couldn't get working out of the garage and giving them another go.
Would love to have the Stratos and the Volvo up to race speed!

-K

It would violate the terms of service for me to advertise a forum that isn't directly related to FM2. 

That being said I had to "Search" for a good group of guys to race and discuss Forza with and I happened upon the guys over at "Muscle-Inc" and they .netted me a lot of valuable information.  It also helps that they are a blast to race with and the constant challenges keep things interesting.

So how do you like the Lexus?

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"Team Mugen makes me vomit."

Muscle-Inc Member and sole proprietor of Spanky's Speedshop

I wondered if "Muscle-Inc" was a website..

Haven't built the Lexus yet, You can bet I will though tonight possibly. =)

Fit4AKing:

It would violate the terms of service for me to advertise a forum that isn't directly related to FM2. 

That being said I had to "Search" for a good group of guys to race and discuss Forza with and I happened upon the guys over at "Muscle-Inc" and they .netted me a lot of valuable information.  It also helps that they are a blast to race with and the constant challenges keep things interesting.

So how do you like the Lexus?

Well I bought the Lexus and ran it stock on Laguna Seca and Atlanta Short, Not a bad car at all, a little bit rowdy in the rear on high speed corners, but not bad at all.

Then I applied the upgrades and raced it again with the stock tune, I ran a 1:06.710 on Atlanta Short.

Applying your tune to the car, I ran a 1:05 almost right out of the box and my best time after three laps was 1:04.500.

Not a bad car, it tends to oversteer/understeer in just about the right amounts giving you nice control and won't spin out on acceleration.

Over 2 seconds gained just by tuning is fantastic.  Were there any oddities in the tune?  I left something unchanged in there tht would normally throw you for a loop.  Did you pick up on anything that was strange?

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"Team Mugen makes me vomit."

Muscle-Inc Member and sole proprietor of Spanky's Speedshop

haven't had a chance to try it, yet, but it seems like the decel setting on the diff would make for a lot of corner entry understeer.

I typically run my decel settings very low on rear drive cars.  Why so high on this one?

Well, as I said the car corners okay but it understeers on corner entry, tried changing caster a little bit to no avail, so perhaps maybe the diff settings need tweaked, I did notice the decel setting seems high for what i've experienced on RWD tunes.

Fit4AKing:

Over 2 seconds gained just by tuning is fantastic.  Were there any oddities in the tune?  I left something unchanged in there tht would normally throw you for a loop.  Did you pick up on anything that was strange?

I tend to set the decel diff value higher because I prefer the car to have a bit of off-throttle oversteer.  I think it helps me control the back end in sweepers using the throttle without having to spin the tires to achieve the oversteer.

Most times I see the decel setting very low in tuned cars.  Just a matter of personal preference.  I think that its is a simple way to add a dynamic to the car that you can feel in the throttle as opposed to having to re-tune a car between races.  Sort of an on the fly over/under steer controller.

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"Team Mugen makes me vomit."

Muscle-Inc Member and sole proprietor of Spanky's Speedshop

Thinking about this for a second.... I tend to do all my braking in a straight line and then turn in and use trail braking as little as possible. (or not at all) so I lift off the throttle, brake, turn-in, and use a little throttle to keep me going and maintain traction until I reach the apex at which I start accelerating again.  (a rolling car tends to break traction easier IMO)

So is the off-throttle overteer assisting me with turn-in? In the case with this car, I actually think it tends to understeer in high speed corners, but perhaps that's a difference between my driving style and yours?

 

That setting won't help with turn in but I found, specially on the Tsukuba sweeper, that if I go into it too hot I can lift off the throttle and have the rear end come around a tad.  Still under control, I can modulate between over and understeer with slight throttle adjustment.  Its not drifting but it is steering with the rear end.  My NSX takes full advantage of that driving style and actually is much faster because of it.

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"Team Mugen makes me vomit."

Muscle-Inc Member and sole proprietor of Spanky's Speedshop

Makes sense, that way if you happen to go into a corner too hot, you can use that to potentially salvage your position in a race.

Fit4AKing:

That setting won't help with turn in but I found, specially on the Tsukuba sweeper, that if I go into it too hot I can lift off the throttle and have the rear end come around a tad.  Still under control, I can modulate between over and understeer with slight throttle adjustment.  Its not drifting but it is steering with the rear end.  My NSX takes full advantage of that driving style and actually is much faster because of it.

I just test-drove this car in an open room.  I was 4 of 7, behind two pugs and a turbo5, and was competitive on Russel's Viper Reverse.  That's not bad at all for driving another person's tune straight out of the box (didn't even test drive it first, since a couple of friends were online).  I'll probably be using this as a project over at "our little slice of heaven," comparing your tune with what I get on my own and possibly a hybrid of the better parts of the two.  I find it strange that we can be so alarmingly close in our lap/race times, but my initial observation is that we drive very differently.  I'm intrigued.  Observations:

1.  Turn-in was a bit awkward for me.  Then again, the other track we ran was on Tsukuba, and I rarely do my best work there with RWD cars.  That's a FWD playground for me, believe it or not. 

2.  Grip in the turns wasn't the way I wanted it.  I can't say whether the car wasn't stable, responded too much to my famously bad throttle control, or what.  I'll try to figure out what it is, but it'll take some fiddling.  Sorry I can't be more specific about it at this point.

3.  It has a bit more speed and less grip than a pure grip car.  I really see this, for my style, being more of a flowing-track car.  Sure enough, Russel's Viper Reverse, it did well.  Tsukuba, it wasn't even close to the podium.

First off, thanks for bringing what we do over at "the other place" to the .net.  Hopefully, your efforts will get a few more people tuning and enjoying the game as what I think it was really meant to be, a full-on simulation.  I'm an admitted hack as tuners go, but there's a certain pride that comes with going through a car's setup and shaving a couple of tenths off a laptime.  Getting more people to feel that is a worthwhile endeavor.

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I really should come up with a signature.

I ran this car for a little, great drive but I feel it needs to be a little more stable around the wider corners like some of those turns on Tsukuba. I'm gonna' try upping (or downing, depends on how you look at it) the front camber so it runs more negative (-0.1 to -0.3). I'll check back later

EDIT: Wish more people like DD or Blooze browsed this forum, it would bring some great discussion...

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