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Drift, I hear you. I agree that saving and/or documenting a good setup is going to be essential to serious tuning in this game. I just have to make a mental note that ANYTHING that changes the weight of the car is going to screw up my settings. Luckily, once I get a car where I want it, I'm usually juggling engine upgrades and settings more than weight reduction, wheels, aero bits etc.

It would've been more realistic for certain engine upgrades to add or remove weight from the car. A 'Racing Intake' for an old 427 chebby in RL will remove maybe 40 lbs or so from the nose of the car. 'Racing Cams & Valves' (sorta implies aluminum heads) should also drop the engine weight significantly for an older engine. In this game, I haven't noticed any engine upgrades that affect weight other than an engine swap. Also of note, even though an engine swap may pull 175 lbs off the front of a 2300 lb car, the game still shows the same weight distribution F/R. Either way, it doesn't appear that most enigine upgrades add anything to the weight of the car, so I don't have to worry about the settings getting fuggered when I play with them.

I could sit down and try to figure out a formula that modeled accurately the 'fuggering' as weight goes up and down, but since I have already discovered that I don't like the fuggered settings, I don't care to duplicate them.

 

On another note, bazdc2 sent me a Dino to test out last night. It's a much more responsive setup than mine and a little less forgiving. I'll post a time when I get a chance to run a few more laps in it. I expect a 1:59 on Mugello, I hope for a 1:58 (personal best), but I'm pretty sure the car will do a 1:56.

Is anyone else running a Dino on the QuickRank tracks or Mugello? I'm getting that competitive urge again!

 

1969 Ferrari Dino B Class

 

Upgrades

Avon 225/65R14

Blitz Technospeed z1

Sport Intake

Sport Cams and Valves

Race Engine Block

Race Weight Reduction

Stock Driveline

Forza Wing

 

Settings

Tires                 29/29

Final Drive            5.00

Camber            -.7/-.9

Toe                  0.1/-0.1

Caster              5.2

ARBs               18.17/11.77

Springs            245.3/318.4

Ride Height            4.0/4.0

Rebound            6.6/8.6

Bump               3.9/5.1

Aero                50lbs (less for fast tracks)

Brakes             47%Front /110% pressure

Differential            58/48

Hoplee, I'm mister meat, as I mentioned last night, I've been goofing around with this car all morning and think I got it to a place where I'm almost happy with it, I didn't run mugello, but tried Tsukuba, which this was good for a 57.9xx for a lap, ran mid 58's pretty consistently, and on Laguna where I was running pretty consistent 1:30.8xx, definitely with room to gain there, because it brings me to my problem with the car, I'm a bit unhappy with the turn-in response, and am a bit uncomfortable with the way this game manages toe. If you want to mess around with it, let me know and I'll gift it to you.

QuickRank Times for Foreign Classics

Name        Car          Time      
Drift2XL    2000GT       177.417
Hoplee      Dino         178.337
Technobear  E-Type       182.112

 

Mugello Times for 1969 Dino PI700

Name                   Time      
bazdc2                 1:57.3xx
Hoplee                 1:58.850
M14EYD                 1:59.xxx

1:58.136 and I know there is more there, which is frustrating, because as soon as I'd get a quick run through one section, I'd slip out of the next corner, I upped the camber in both to about -1.8 or something, which is nice in the turns, but really blows in heating my tires evenly, I really like this car.

The following build was put together by my friend bazdc2. His best time on Mugello in it so far is a stunning 156.562. Hell yes.

Bazdc2 Build
1969 Ferrari Dino 246GT
Benchmarks:

0-60   4.270
0-100   12.915
top speed   154.6

braking
99.8
266.3

cornering
1.12
1.09

Upgrades:
Sport Intake
Race Ignition
Sport Cams
Street Intercooler
Street Turbo
Avon Racing Tires 225/40R18
Sport Weight Reduction
Full Race Platform & Handling

Forza Wing

Settings:
Tires   28/29
F.D. 3.98
1st   2.89
2nd   1.99
3rd   1.50
4rth   1.18
5th   .97
6th   .85

Camber -.8/-.6
Toe      0/0
Caster   5.5
ARBs   14.17/8.67
Springs   298.1/382.8
Ride      4.3/4.3
Rebound   6.0/6.7
Bump      3.0/3.6
Aero      79lbs
Braking      53% Front Bias / 100% pressure
Differential   45%/30%

whoa, the dino just keeps getting quicker!

btw, are you guys all using ABS?
think it would be useful to know, as can make quite a difference

i'll try to get you a QR time for the Gullwing, tried a few setups now, gr8 car to drive, but i dont i can beat a QR 180

will have to wait a couple of days though, as have family visitng... so i have a FM free days till friday :(

I was running the bazdc2 setup last night with all the assists on Mugello and couldn't run faster than a 1:58. Bazdc2 was spectating and theorized that the TCS and STM were slowing me down, since he couldn't see anything wrong with the lines I was taking. It's his setup and IIRC, he only uses ABS. I'll try it again later with the TCS and STM turned off and see if there's improvement to be made. It's not like this particular version has all that much power to worry about anyway!

QuickRank Times for Foreign Classics

Name        Car          Time      
Drift2XL    2000GT       177.417
Hoplee      Dino         178.337
Technobear  E-Type       182.112

 

Mugello Times for 1969 Dino PI700

Name                   Time      
bazdc2                 1:56.562
Hoplee                 1:58.850
M14EYD                 1:59.xxx

I tried the bazdc2 Dino last night. Let me say that it is wonderful. No doubting the 1:56.

I tried my B class benchmark. Maple Valley B class enduro. One minute faster overall. Only .2 off of the 2000gt's best lap.

 I just needed to adjust one thing. Picked up a second a lap after. Want to know? PM me.

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House of D2XL &
The Late Model Muscle Series

forza-tuning.net

tease!

If I had to guess what you changed, I would guess that you maxxed the downforce.

I'm not happy with my Dino times on Maple yet. My 2000GT runs 1:33-1:34. The Dino is running 1:35s right now. I had assumed that I wasn't making it up the long uphill straight fast enough to keep up with the 2000GT. I might be losing time through the combinations at the top of the hill, it's easy to lose a few tenths in there. I don't usually race against my ghost, so I don't know exactly where I'm losing ground. May have to take another look at it with the 'rabbit' on.

Glad you liked it mate. If it was the downforce you changed it is easier to drive like that but can be faster with less downforce using smooth lines and throttle control manual also makes a huge differance in lap times ie not changing into 5th before the last corner off magello reving it out works much better

Posted change, check it. And you will find out, no it wasn't DF. I don't like to overbalance the rear of a car with DF with no front option. With my descent driving skills, the set up is the last chance for equalizing the field.

Still the Dino set up is fantastic, great job Baz.

Hoplee you can tell Baz, Let's see if someone with driving skill can get it down to the 54 range.

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House of D2XL &
The Late Model Muscle Series

forza-tuning.net

I switched the tires to Yokohama slicks, removed the turbo, and built the engine up to 299hp.

I thought to myself  "Oh, it's a little more polite in the corners, maybe I can shave off two tenths from my Mugello Short time and catch that 2000GT"

5 laps later I had beaten the 2000GT by about 4 tenths.

I'm not sure if the latest Drift2XL settings make the car faster or just a little easier to drive, but the times don't lie. I was also pleasantly surprised by the Yokohamas. I hadn't tried that brand of tire before but have no complaints.

Have you tried them Drift?

Incidentally, that was the first time I've broken one minute on Mugello Short in a classic car. 59.8xx!!! Just imagine what someone with real talent could do...g

As another side benefit, I now have a fairly capable car for any 300hp limit races!

No I haven't treid the Yoko slicks yet, but I like them for the Y rated tires. I have been meaning to build two cars to do some "tire testing" though. I figure I need to build two of the same cars, preferably D class, One with DF and the other one slick top. I'm thinking maybe unretiring the old Fairlady with the SR swap. That way I can find the best tire for each situation. I think its pretty cool that the upgraded tires feel different from each other. The tire models are the reason I switched over from the GT series.

The reason the car is faster is that the tires in the corners are as flat as they can be. I don't think that the tire life is affected too much. At least not compared to the default setting that most people run. But the R class endurances I've been pitting earilier than the AI. It may be the settings, but it might be that I am not going as far on old tires when I know that I'm going to have to pit anyway. The worst race to do that in is the R3 class Porsche enduro. You will need to take a three lap stint at least once in the race. At the end of three laps my tires were up to 83% worn. Not a good idea for the RR 911. Made for some very cautious driving.

If you want to anger yourself, put the same set up on the Toy. That's where the extra speed came from.

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House of D2XL &
The Late Model Muscle Series

forza-tuning.net

New best time on Mugello, recorded last night in multiplayer, no draft.

1:57.860

As an experiment I changed some settings on my 2000GT to make them consistent with what Drift2XL proposed for the Dino. Unfortunately, it didn't improve my times any, at least not yet.

It's almost time to start a new Foreign Classic Tuning Shop project. There are a lot of classics that haven't been developed enough to keep up with the average online room yet. If you have an idea, please send me a PM in the next day or so. For example, if you'd like to see the 300SL developed into a decent car for Sunset Infield, just let me know. Suggestions welcome! 

new project sounds like fun,
ive still not sorted out the 300SL but still believe it has potential

also (but newer 1974) i was considering trying the Lancia Stratos.

anyone think that the Elan is now removed from disgrace?
and is it now viable as a contender... or has the patch overcompensated?

I've been getting some interest from this old thread and just wanted to give it a bump to let the FM2 world out there know that the Foreign Classic Garage is alive and well. We check on things here from time to time, but send me a pm or a friend request to find our new home, or to join in on some 'rusty racin'!

-Hoplee
www.muscle-inc.net