Don't flame me if I'm wrong, cause I might be.

After reading the IGN interview with Dan about drag racing, I was surprised by one of his responses. He said that in an 1/8th mile drag race, AWD cars would probably have an advantage over other drive types.

The reason this surprises me is because it would only be true if the track had absolutely no grip and other drive types just sat there spinning rubber. As we all know though, a drag strip should feel like it's covered in glue and just about anything should hook up instantly. In real life, AWD would bog down off the line with all of its components compared to RWD.

Someone can feel free to correct me, but I always thought this was common knowledge. Like on Top Gear where an R8 and a Carrera raced and the R8 was horribly bogged down off the line because of it's AWD.

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I'm sure the track surface will be like any other track surface in the game.

You are expecting it to more realistic than it will probably be. 

Track surface grip is probably one of the biggest areas that Forza is lacking in(not lacking grip, but lacking realism). 

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AWD vehicles do have an advantage under any circumstances while drag racing, AWD = grip which means you can put more power under the hood and have it go to the ground much easier than FWD or RWD. You have all four wheels pulling rather than just the front or back, and that adds to the grip.

Polish Person:

Don't flame me if I'm wrong, cause I might be.

After reading the IGN interview with Dan about drag racing, I was surprised by one of his responses. He said that in an 1/8th mile drag race, AWD cars would probably have an advantage over other drive types.

The reason this surprises me is because it would only be true if the track had absolutely no grip and other drive types just sat there spinning rubber. As we all know though, a drag strip should feel like it's covered in glue and just about anything should hook up instantly. In real life, AWD would bog down off the line with all of its components compared to RWD.

Someone can feel free to correct me, but I always thought this was common knowledge. Like on Top Gear where an R8 and a Carrera raced and the R8 was horribly bogged down off the line because of it's AWD.

 

There's also been times where AWD has beaten RWD in Top Gear's drag races i believe, so while that point is or isn't necessarily moot, I do see your point.

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I just hope AWD dont completely dominate in the 1/4 mile as well, the way they did in Forza 2.

ferret gt350:

I just hope AWD dont completely dominate in the 1/4 mile as well, the way it was in Forza 2.

 

You mean like how it doesn't burnout and result in massive Elevens's? I liked that, superior traction off the line.

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Shay Feral:

AWD vehicles do have an advantage under any circumstances while drag racing, AWD = grip which means you can put more power under the hood and have it go to the ground much easier than FWD or RWD. You have all four wheels pulling rather than just the front or back, and that adds to the grip.

They really don't. Unless the AWD car has a lot of power, then it will bog down in an 1/8th mile because of all the parts that need to start moving. It's really simple physics. 

If a RWD car hooks up, as it should on a proper strip, with the same amount of power, it will launch faster. It's a much simpler system and power goes directly to the ground, not through a bunch of diffs and crap. 

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AWD cars bog down at the start?  Only with a bad driver.

Chron0sZer0:

ferret gt350:

I just hope AWD dont completely dominate in the 1/4 mile as well, the way it was in Forza 2.

 

You mean like how it doesn't burnout and result in massive Elevens's? I liked that, superior traction off the line.

On a normal race track or when off roading, AWD does have an advantage. I know this and all I race in FM2 is AWD cars. Since all wheels are pulling, they'll hook up faster.

But on a stripe, there is no need for such a traction system, as it's damn near impossible to spin on a properly prepared strip.

 

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The OP is right.

In the real world 4WD systems can/do bog down off the start if you are looking at getting off the line pretty sharpish..

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Polish Person:

Shay Feral:

AWD vehicles do have an advantage under any circumstances while drag racing, AWD = grip which means you can put more power under the hood and have it go to the ground much easier than FWD or RWD. You have all four wheels pulling rather than just the front or back, and that adds to the grip.

They really don't. Unless the AWD car has a lot of power, then it will bog down in an 1/8th mile because of all the parts that need to start moving. It's really simple physics. 

If a RWD car hooks up, as it should on a proper strip, with the same amount of power, it will launch faster. It's a much simpler system and power goes directly to the ground, not through a bunch of diffs and crap. 

you make it sound like an AWD drivetrain is a bunch of gremlins yelling orders to each other.  it's not bureaucracy, for god's sake, it's just a transaxle...

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King Chozo:

AWD cars bog down at the start?  Only with a bad driver.

+1

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Polish Person:

Shay Feral:

AWD vehicles do have an advantage under any circumstances while drag racing, AWD = grip which means you can put more power under the hood and have it go to the ground much easier than FWD or RWD. You have all four wheels pulling rather than just the front or back, and that adds to the grip.

They really don't. Unless the AWD car has a lot of power, then it will bog down in an 1/8th mile because of all the parts that need to start moving. It's really simple physics. 

If a RWD car hooks up, as it should on a proper strip, with the same amount of power, it will launch faster. It's a much simpler system and power goes directly to the ground, not through a bunch of diffs and crap. 

you make it sound like an AWD drivetrain is a bunch of gremlins yelling orders to each other.  it's not bureaucracy, for god's sake, it's just a transaxle...

 

Lol. Gremlins. 

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speed7bump:

King Chozo:

AWD cars bog down at the start?  Only with a bad driver.

+1

In a RWD car, the power goes from a longitudinal engine, through a diff, and to latitudinal mounted wheels. The power changes direction once, and the technology is simple and old. Tried and true.

In an AWD car, the power goes from a latitudinal engine, to a longitudinal tranny and center diff, then through two sets of latitudinal mounted wheels. The power, theoretically changes power twice. However, you also have to consider the fact that you have the weight of almost an entire second drivetrain on one engine in an AWD car. 

The AWD car has so much more potential energy that needs to be trasnfered to  kinetic energy. It just takes longer for it to go, if both drive types are subjected to the same high level of grip that a drag strip provides.

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speed7bump:

King Chozo:

AWD cars bog down at the start?  Only with a bad driver.

+1

 +2.

 

and anyway, Take what TG has with a pinch of salt. Clarkson is a ham fisted idiot with minimal driving skills when he presents.

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I'm expecting this to be like Forza 2. Where you'll need to feather the throttle in a RWD in order to keep from breaking traction while in AWD you'll just be able to mash the accelerator and get the full power right from the get-go.

Of course, I'm talking about doing this with all assists off. With TCS on it should help those overly high hp RWDs but in my opinion TCS and STM should be disabled in drag mode.

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Polish Person:

speed7bump:

King Chozo:

AWD cars bog down at the start?  Only with a bad driver.

+1

In a RWD car, the power goes from a longitudinal engine, through a diff, and to latitudinal mounted wheels. The power changes direction once, and the technology is simple and old. Tried and true.

In an AWD car, the power goes from a latitudinal engine, to a longitudinal tranny and center diff, then through two sets of latitudinal mounted wheels. The power, theoretically changes power twice. However, you also have to consider the fact that you have the weight of almost an entire second drivetrain on one engine in an AWD car. 

The AWD car has so much more potential energy that needs to be trasnfered to  kinetic energy. It just takes longer for it to go, if both drive types are subjected to the same high level of grip that a drag strip provides.

barring theory, then, how much longer exactly does it take an AWD to put power to the wheels than a RWD?  by your explanation, it should be a huge difference.

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Polish Person:

speed7bump:

King Chozo:

AWD cars bog down at the start?  Only with a bad driver.

+1

In a RWD car, the power goes from a longitudinal engine, through a diff, and to latitudinal mounted wheels. The power changes direction once, and the technology is simple and old. Tried and true.

In an AWD car, the power goes from a latitudinal engine, to a longitudinal tranny and center diff, then through two sets of latitudinal mounted wheels. The power, theoretically changes power twice. However, you also have to consider the fact that you have the weight of almost an entire second drivetrain on one engine in an AWD car. 

The AWD car has so much more potential energy that needs to be trasnfered to  kinetic energy. It just takes longer for it to go, if both drive types are subjected to the same high level of grip that a drag strip provides.

basically your saying that the AWD's power has to change direction twice, and the RWD's power once. i'm no expert here, but i'd imagine the power loss of the AWD compaired to the RWD wouldnt be all that much.

also, you say there will be alot more weight in the AWD system compaired to the RWD, but i know that the lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera's AWD system weighs 50kg more than a RWD system would in that car, and i'm sure with extra money spent on it that could be cut to 30kg quite happily, which would still make quite a difference, but the extra grip of the two front wheels would more than compensate for that.

as for the potential energy stuff you went on about, the only potential energy that would be different in two cars (one AWD and one RWD) would be the strain energy in the linkages when you start to put the power down, which wouldnt make a noticable difference to your times. (if you meant the weights of the car because of the AWD system, then just see above)

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cwwilson:

I'm expecting this to be like Forza 2. Where you'll need to feather the throttle in a RWD in order to keep from breaking traction while in AWD you'll just be able to mash the accelerator and get the full power right from the get-go.

Yup.  I think if they were going to include a special track surface for drag racing, they would have mentioned it. 

As it is, every track surface throughout Forza 2 had exactly the same amount of grip, and the same was true in Forza 1.  It will probably be the same in Forza 3, too. 

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