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Last post 05-10-2008, 4:56 PM by Sclippy96. 25 replies.
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  •  04-14-2008, 8:58 PM 1466817

    Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    Any suggestions?

    It's completely stock right now except for Brembo discs and calipers.

     


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  •  04-14-2008, 9:17 PM 1466886 in reply to 1466817

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    go to miatas that fly and see what they have to whet your appetite.

    peace


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  •  04-16-2008, 9:45 AM 1470644 in reply to 1466817

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    I'd get the Flyin Miata turbokit, that's a nice stage 1 :)
  •  04-16-2008, 4:02 PM 1471609 in reply to 1470644

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    Eaton supercharger sounds the dog's part IMO on an MX5/miata. If you are going turbo though, don't get the greddy kits. They may be cheap but theyre unreliable.



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  •  04-16-2008, 4:13 PM 1471638 in reply to 1471609

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    HKS do a Turbo kit for them but I can only find the kit on their european site

    heres the link anyway

    http://www.racecarnewmedia.co.uk/hks/euproducts/Vehicle.asp








  •  04-16-2008, 7:00 PM 1472195 in reply to 1466817

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    chespace:

    Any suggestions?

    It's completely stock right now except for Brembo discs and calipers.

     



    A rollbar or hardtop so you can participate in HPDE events. But if you already own one of those I would shell out some cash for coilovers, anti-swaybars, or some sticky tires. These are better bang for your buck mods for a Miata than a turbo kit IMO. But i guess it all depends on what you plan on doing with the car and how much money you're willing to spend.
  •  04-17-2008, 3:20 PM 1474595 in reply to 1472195

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    Yep I agree suspension and wheels should come first.  The car already handles pretty well, but these upgrades will make it even better :)

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  •  04-17-2008, 8:07 PM 1475598 in reply to 1466817

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    Che , im gonna give u the same basic advice i give most people.

    SAFETY first: double check all your important components first and see if anything major is obviously in need of repair. this also goes a long way toward a secondary goal of RELIABILITY. DO THESE 2 things before anything else so you know you have a car thats not gonna break right away and / or KILL you . a racing seat and mini cage w/ a 5pt harness is good too.

    if you do these 2 things first you now have a good baseline established to know what your "improvements" change and whether its better or worse.

    a quick and easy thing is to lose the interior or parts of it if you dont care/or need it all (lighter is better) and is easily reversible if needed.

    change only 1! thing at a time if possible and note the results.

    after your initial assessment and repairs have been made tires( widest you can fit and compounds) are a huge improvement over stock , as you well know. ( rims +1 or +2 or more is up to you).springs-shocks/struts-antisway bars - suspension bushings- lighter and stronger suspension components, go a long way in a more tractable vehicle.

    BRAKES : one of the most absolutely critical/important items on your car. go with the best you can afford . i know you got the brembos so find better pads!!! i dont care how fast your car can go if you cant stop it , cuz if you wad it up its useless and it hurts.

    dont go with any major power adders until you explore simple things that all add up such as : fluids- belts/pulleys-air intake and filter- plugs-wires-ignition-cooling upgrades- maybe some headers and exhaust. a commonly overlooked item is the mechanical advantage of a new rear gear set to get it moving quicker than be for , one of the best bangs for the buck out there, period.

    now you have a mildly upgraded and way more reliable and way better performing auto. if it still aint quick enough for you then think super-charger. less lag and heat. they been around for along time and are usually easier to install in most cases. while there have been some major improvements in turbos i still think that they can be a pain.

    if you go with too much boost then thing engine rebuild/blueprint , more displacement etc.

    now the cool part , you guys at TURN10 , whether you like it or not are part of more than just the video game world. you are in the automotive field , and as such you guys should use your connections to get some upgrades for cheap and or free . you can give parts manufacturers some publicity in exchange, and you should take as much advantage of this as they should ( quid pro quo ).

    after you guys build em up we want DLC versions of em too.

    good luck and you guys keep updating us on how its going.

    peace

    P.S. im so gonna ruin my tires when my " fuel your fantasy plates " arrive!


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  •  04-18-2008, 3:54 PM 1477741 in reply to 1475598

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    I'm pretty much in the same boat.  I bought an '03 about a month ago.  It's tempting to just start upgrading, but I'm giving it time to get used to the car as is before doing anything major.  With a '92 I'd look at chassis bracing first. Mazda added a number of braces throughout the years that may not be on one as old as yours.

    Mine's due for all fluids to be flushed anyway, so I'm taking the opportunity to swap to Redline synthetics across the board and to put in stainless steel clutch and brake lines.  A SCCA compliant roll bar will be one of the first mods followed by suspension. Tein flex coilovers are highly rated on the Miata.  Unsprung weight has a strong influence on Miata handling, so I'm looking at going down to 15" rims from the 16s on mine and lighter brake rotors.  Power is last on my list.  If you are planning on racing look at restrictions for whatever class you are interested in competing before starting.

    If you haven't been there http://www.miata.net is the place for information on Miatas.

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  •  04-19-2008, 1:30 AM 1479234 in reply to 1477741

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    Miatanet is indeed a great source of information as Tonka pointed out.

    For most mods Racing Beat is an awesome aftermarket shop. I installed several of their parts on my Miata, best buy IMO was the lightened flywheel. The staff is extremely knowledgeable and helpful. As a sidenote they designed the suspension for the Mazda mp3. http://www.racingbeat.com/

     

    For boost I would have suggested BRP but they seem to have disappeared from the net. :(   Maybe they are out of buisness... That would be unfortunate.


    Regards,
    Pat
  •  04-19-2008, 8:09 AM 1479674 in reply to 1479234

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    Che,

     

    I have owned two Miata's now and have spent MANY hours at the track with them Big Smile [:D]

    The first was a 99 Anniversary edition that I bought from my instructor that came fully track prepped (wheels, R compound tires, brakes, HR springs w/Bilstein sport struts, sway bars, braces, rollbar and JR Supercharger)

    I recently bought a stock 91 SE Miata and started adding handling mods first - Tein SS Suspension, FM sway bars, Brakes - SS lines, slotted rotors, Hawk HP+ pads, OZ Superleggera wheels with RE-01R tires and a Hard Dog Rollbar.

    Once I have tracked the car a few more times to get used to it I am considering adding a BEGI Turbo Big Smile [:D]

    Definitely go with all the handling mods first before you upgrade the performance!

     

     

     



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  •  04-19-2008, 1:22 PM 1480342 in reply to 1479674

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    One thing you haven't mentioned is what is your goal with this car? Is it going to be a track day car?

    My first suggestion, since it's a '92, is swap out the engine all together if it still has the original power plant. The 1.6 that came in the Miata through '93 is notorious for throwing cranks. Getting a used/rebuilt 1.8 out of a later model will go a long way for reliability, and you can build the engine strong before doing the swap.

    Other than that I would definitely go for suspension, whether that be new a/r bars, braces, springs, etc. Swapping out your-probably worn anyway-rubber bushings for a nice poly kit makes things feel much more solid. 

    Getting some lighter wheels with a good tire helps a lot of things. I am particularly found of Yokohama's AVS ES100 tire. Very good bang for the buck, high grip, not to high of wear for the compound, low noise and not terribly expensive. I love "Stuff" pads btw.... in both my cars.

    My $.02  


  •  04-19-2008, 3:51 PM 1480874 in reply to 1472195

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    BigBloC:
    chespace:

    Any suggestions?

    It's completely stock right now except for Brembo discs and calipers.

     



    A rollbar or hardtop so you can participate in HPDE events. But if you already own one of those I would shell out some cash for coilovers, anti-swaybars, or some sticky tires. These are better bang for your buck mods for a Miata than a turbo kit IMO. But i guess it all depends on what you plan on doing with the car and how much money you're willing to spend.

     

    Agreed, work on the chassis first,  a Hard Dog Bar with one or two diagonals is choice make sure you mind if your back window is glass or not....  www.miatamania.com is Moss Motors they got everything..

    Carefull getting F/I kits overseas because you will have problems if the car they're made for is RHD

    You def dont want to do anything bigger then a 16" rim    trust meSmile [:)]  even with 10psi I feel like I'm pulling a jet ski in tow..   Also try www.Miata.net  that community is very informed and has been around since '89 

     

    Your car is the 1.6L   if you want a FlyingMiata kit  you might want to swap a 1.8L 1st   the motors are really cheap and with the FM swap kit you can keep your ECU  plus with the 1.8 you can source parts from the Protoge, Escort GT, and Kia Sephia.

    PM me if you need more info..I got TONS of MX-5 books n crud around hereBeer [B]

     

     





  •  04-19-2008, 6:26 PM 1481408 in reply to 1480874

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    Hi I own and autocross a 95 miata seen here:


    Heres the route I took:
    Wheels/tires are the most bang for your buck, I chose Rota Slipstream 15"x7.5" wheels wrapped in Bridstone RE01-r 195/50-r15 tires.
    Next was suspension, I chose single adjustable Tein Monoflex Coilovers with 560lb front springs and 390lb rear springs, the ride is actually not that harsh with that high of a spring rate if your shocks are properly valved for the high rates.  Racing Beat Hollow front swaybar, no swaybar on rear.
    A Harddog Rollbar and Hardtop are next on the list so I can do a few track days with it.

    I am going to drive it like this for another year or so, then I may put one of these superchargers on it:
    http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers.com/

    Also if you want the very best performance miata wheel out there right now at a very reasonable cost check out this site:
    http://www.949racing.com/





  •  04-19-2008, 7:51 PM 1481680 in reply to 1481408

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    Those 949 wheels look choice.    I WANT the Spec. Miata ones!!  



  •  04-19-2008, 8:13 PM 1481738 in reply to 1481680

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    RXR your sig is freaking awesome!
  •  04-20-2008, 1:45 AM 1482317 in reply to 1481738

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    ThanX dude...Its real all you gotta do is take off the Antenna if its fixed.Wink [;)]



  •  04-20-2008, 3:20 AM 1482461 in reply to 1481738

    Upgrade first

    First, before anything major.. you'd need to upgrade the engine itself... sorta build it up.

    Prob the best site I can think of for all of your engine needs would be flyinmiata.com

    lightweight wheels, grippy tires -then-> suspension/lowering springs/camber kit/struts/strut bars/sway bars & bushings....

    as for exhaust, I have a friend whom had his HKS Carbon-TI exhaust custom made to go on the left side of the rear, and they re'made or fiberglassed the other end.... he has the 1.8L

    Very very nice sounding exhaust, deep toned, only really loud when you get on it!

    hope this helps.

    Make sure all of your gaskets are updated, try to find performance gaskets.... some may be made of metal, the stronger the better.... btw, ARP headstuds for the win ;) Just find the measurements of your miata's studs and you'll be in great shape!

  •  04-20-2008, 1:00 PM 1483356 in reply to 1482461

    Re: Upgrade first

    one word, one syllable - Mazda FD 2 rotor or for big balls 3 rotor.

    Get a friend to weld in a roll cage - mostly for rigidity and rules. Springs, struts and run it into the ground!

    Personally, I'm a Toyota guy. I own a Rev3 powered MR2 turbo.

    btw, not sure if this is the place but I've wanted to thank T10 guys since I first HEARD FM2 would have the Tom's mr2 - but after I saw the paint job on it I was embarressed. Being into mr2's nearly 10 years and the only real Tom's (Toyota Motorsports) I've seen has been white. Beautiful car. (TO20) While I'm on that subject, the widebody in game is also another I've never seen. The TRD 2000GT (google!!) is the real widebody and absolutely beautiful in it's own right.

    However, the border mr2 is actually CLOSE to the real one. They missed the killer front fenders and that wing is crap. I wish there was an option in game to remove wings completely, without replacement.

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  •  04-20-2008, 4:34 PM 1484089 in reply to 1481408

    Re: Stage 1 for a '92 NA Mazda Miata_

    Wow, some gorgeous NA Miatas in this thread.

    Sclippy, I like the look of those Rota Slipstreams. I will probably do wheels first and your set looks hawt.

    Why do you have a front sway and not a rear sway? How does that affect handling?

    So it sounds like the route to take is basically:

    1). Wheels and tires

    2). Suspension

    3). Roll bar

    For a stage 1?



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