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Again, I don't want this to be a witch hunt, and each of these cases need to be evaluated by Turn 10 so it might take a little bit before action takes place.

 

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Che "No Game Info" Chou
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Again, I don't want this to be a witch hunt, and each of these cases need to be evaluated by Turn 10 so it might take a little bit before action takes place.

 

That's understandable for sure.  But, as was just pointed out, people are doing this even today.  The ones that are using the push the car thing are obvious.  Their cars are mashed up, they start their laps at a much higher speed than they cross the line finishing it, their cars are slowing down going down the straight instead of speeding up or holding a constant speed.  I think with these that are so easy to spot and with the proof plainly there for the eyes to see the action needs to be swift to send the message to the cheating portion of the community that this type of garbage will not be tolerated.

Now, the people who are intentionally using draft cars strategically placed on the track to do nothing more than give them draft and then get out of the way are a bit tougher to spot.  But, when people start getting times nearly a full second faster than the top times ran in free run then it's obvious it wasn't just a situation where they caught a little draft normally in a race.

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R.I.P. Pale Rider

well, nice to see some selective targeting of 'cheaters' (or whatever), instead of punishing everyone for a select few's actions. i thought all of this could have been completely avoided by just doing as 90% of people who cared suggesred before this game was released, and not allow any times that could possibly have benefitted from a draft or bump on scoreboards. while times set with a bit of normal racing draft would also be not posted under these measures, but this is a small price to pay for putting an end to all these accusations and discussions.

this got completely out of control in 4za 1, dont let it happen again

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Phantasos Cats:

I'm not defending the current bump cheater(s) in any way, but you need to be careful what you call "evidence", as a net too big catches too many fish. Since the game programmers are too lazy/ignorant to code a proper selective solution and instead go with an idiotic wiping of everything, you need to be very careful what you tag as guilty player actions.

Sidenote: As for picking on the programmers, I designed and programmed software for 26 years, so I'm allowed...lol.

As for "evidence":

I (and MANY others that had no idea they had done anything wrong) got completely wiped a couple months ago. It seems I had ONE time that was AWD automatic glitch. First, I didn't even know there was an AWD glitch when I did the laps....and second, I got the car choice and tuning from a downloaded top driver. It never occurred to me the top times might be from top drivers cheating. Hardly evidence of me having a cheater mentality...and certainly not deserving of a total wipe! I'm still wary of using any of the new cars for fear the designers screwed up again and WE will get punished for their mess again.

As for the "money glitch", I still don't know what that was/is, but I have over 200 million credits that I earned 100% legit by learning the supply/demand of the stock unpainted cars and selling LOTS of them. It was a pain and took a couple weeks. So ...having millions of credits but not being a painter/tuner/racer proves nothing.

A final point: If we have a determined repeat pattern offender, I'm all for wiping/banning them. But...the last time this bumping business came up, it was being done by 2 very fast drivers that didn't need to cheat. Both claimed it was a one time thing (after they were caught...lol) and even if they weren't caught, they might have just been curious and playing around and not have done it again. I believe one of those drivers recently won a rather important driving contest too...so...it would have been a shame if they had been banned for "temporary insanity"...lol.

 

I know what you mean and I'm against banning for "temporary insanity" as well, I'm sure we all have already cheated at least once at school for example, such things can happen. By the way I didn't name that much the 3 other players, only that Suckinator.
But, this guy has been caught more than once. To come back to the AWD glitch, he clearly knew about it. Why did he tell - someone here got a pm from him on xbl- he didn't use it whereas you clearly see on his telemetry he had traction in his front wheels? Plus that meant he knew about it. He betrayed himself. And yes, WE had an "evidence" of it (I can't tell you where cause I don't remember every single month-old link, but someone HERE showed it). Now he's being bumped and drafted on the tracks, we ALL can see it in his replays as evidence, and he still doesn't admit it (I've a screen shot if needed cause he pm'ed me this time, but I blocked him, I don't want pms from morons in my inbox). Yes he's a good driver but it doesn't justify the fact that he should be allowed to cheat lots of times (reminds me of a certain Dan... ).
About money glitch, it's only suspect, it's true that we can't really tell. It would be a clue though if some people here tell if they often saw his name in the AH.
In all cases, WE DON'T NEED A NEW CHEATING CONVENTION, plus that may leads to a new wipe again. So JVE OGCsuckinator = BAN. Silon & the others = only a warning

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GT : SqR RaFaby
Shosholoza Ku lezontaba Stimela siphum' e South Afric***

banning or warning a couple people won't make this go away. and this temporary insanity defense just proves my point that we in the community can't be trusted. some solutions have been thrown out there, if something isn't done the group hotlaps will become too many to prune out. lack of action will be the death of the hotlap boards.

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40 something tele slalom racer/mogul skier....

For those that said only show times from free run that is fine except you should also show times from races that have collisions off.  As far as not showing times that have any penalty that is a bad idea, I don't want an entire hotlap of nurburgring to be canned just because I got .050 of penalty on one stupid part of the track.  If you create a filter to not shot certain times, just make sure it will show people's next best time.  For example if it filters out times with drafting make sure it takes people's next best time without drafting.  One thing that would solve a lot it to give penalty for hitting a cone or a spot where a cone was orginally placed, this would solve the whole sebring pitlane thing.

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PorscheH6:

Suzuka East - D Class

Silon95 - 1st

JVE Perturbator - 2nd

Suzuka East - C-Class

JVE Perturbator - 1st

Silon95 - 2nd

Looks like T10 took care of Mugello Short- C-Class. Few more to go!

Note: Silon and JVE also have suspect times in B-Class as well (Less obvious), but it doesn't matter. They're all getting deleted anyway.

Go ahead and mark both of these down for A class as well.  Can't wait to see both of these guys off the board.

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R.I.P. Pale Rider

PorscheH6:

Mugello Short - D Class

Geud1 - 1st

Silon95 - 2nd

JVE Perturbator - 3rd

Suzuka East - D Class

Silon95 - 1st

JVE Perturbator - 2nd

Suzuka East - C-Class

JVE Perturbator - 1st

Silon95 - 2nd

Looks like T10 took care of Mugello Short- C-Class. Few more to go!

Note: Silon and JVE also have suspect times in B-Class as well (Less obvious), but it doesn't matter. They're all getting deleted anyway.

 

taking their time aint they?

 

these two scrotes are still 7 and 10th in overall aswell.

 

never did much like the french me. who in their right mind eats fecking frogs legs anyway

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GT : CORN1SH

Tip :-
Drop gravel into your fuel tank so you can fill up your car for less.

I've discuessed this with Landin and we have a better idea.  Send me a private message with the names and the exact Details (car class, track, and what I'm looking for).  I'll filter the data through to Turn 10.

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i looked a couple of days ago at the nissan super speed way LB and #1 did it fatsest and he did it with only 50 odd hp  at 257 mph in the telmetry when i looked at it

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Project Experi Painter

Flying Scot AD:

While Gamertags should not be provided, the Class, Track, Position and car used can be.

 

I disagree. There are no legal boundaries for naming gamertags, so that should not matter. It isn't like there are any confidentiality agreements that have been signed and are being breached. Microsoft is not naming people, the community is. MS and Turn 10 are just doing the investigation. So name and shame should be allowed, with proper evidence.

 

 

Cornish, frog legs are actually really good. So is alligator. Expand your palate...

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GT-Helmakr
"Metric?! My car gets five rods to the hogs head, and thats the way we liked it."


I am a Short Bus Racer...where only drool is the fuel.

ncasolo:

I've discuessed this with Landin and we have a better idea.  Send me a private message with the names and the exact Details (car class, track, and what I'm looking for).  I'll filter the data through to Turn 10.

I'm guessing it's safe to assume they at least have the data that's in this thread?

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Yelladog32:

While Gamertags should not be provided, the Class, Track, Position and car used can be.

 

I disagree. There are no legal boundaries for naming gamertags, so that should not matter. It isn't like there are any confidentiality agreements that have been signed and are being breached. Microsoft is not naming people, the community is. MS and Turn 10 are just doing the investigation. So name and shame should be allowed, with proper evidence.

I agree with you Helmakr but I'm just doing all I can to get action taken.  If that means I have to "play the game" and follow the forum guidelines they have set here then so be it.  Che and the moderators here have expressed their concerns about naming gamertags, so I figured keeping silent about them is a small price to pay for what is being accomplished.  In the end the results are the same, getting them wiped off of the scoreboards.

Of course if this were my forum... well  the rules would be a bit different and there'd be a name and shame bonanza going on.    This isn't rocket science.  We all know who is doing the cheating, it couldn't be more obvious.

Yelladog32:

Flying Scot AD:

While Gamertags should not be provided, the Class, Track, Position and car used can be.

 

I disagree. There are no legal boundaries for naming gamertags, so that should not matter. It isn't like there are any confidentiality agreements that have been signed and are being breached. Microsoft is not naming people, the community is. MS and Turn 10 are just doing the investigation. So name and shame should be allowed, with proper evidence.

 

 

Cornish, frog legs are actually really good. So is alligator. Expand your palate...

served in the SAS so its expanded plenty (not choice like the french)

 

 

Why does this process take so long, just been looking and these two serial cheats are still there.

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GT : CORN1SH

Tip :-
Drop gravel into your fuel tank so you can fill up your car for less.

They probably do, but make it easy on me and name names in a PM with the info :)

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All I can say is, if there is another Wipe, Im done with this game....

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Drive fast, drive hard, and keep it Slideways =)

WWR Stellar

Razorlution:

All I can say is, if there is another Wipe, Im done with this game....

Yea, you and everybody else.  Hopefully Turn 10 will stay on top of this one and dole out swift punishments and wipes to people caught cheating to discourage others from doing it.  But, that being said, the two cheaters mentioned in this thread are still sitting there providing a example for others to follow.  The longer they stay there, the more people are going to feel inclined to cheat just to keep up with the pace.  Just like people did with the AWD glitch.  Once that happnes the possibility of another massive wipe only grows. 

 

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R.I.P. Pale Rider

It'd be great if we could get an update on what is happening with those cheated times.

There was an update in the latest PPR.  You should check that out and then let me know if you see any bad times.

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