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Well, well, well.  Frankly, I'm suprised it took this long before some idiot decided to start screwing the community with this stuff. 

Che, I call on you and the powers that be at Turn 10 to rethink your stance on this.  Now that there are multiple people doing this to achieve unbeatable top times with it, others will follow, and before long the scoreboards will be just as much of a joke as they were when the AWD glitch was being abused by certain people.  This is cheating and there is no way around that fact.  Thousands upon thousands of legit players had to suffer a wipe to eliminate the cheaters from the boards before.  Don't let them become screwed again.  It's your game and you guys have worked hard to make it the great one that it is, I call on you to do what you need to do to ensure that it keeps getting stronger, which is to wipe and ban all cheats.

And it will get worse.  This JVE Cheatinator guy is running multiple gamertags and now has a group of buddes willing to help him.  Between his multiple gamertags and his little cheating friends they'll eliminate the possibility of even the fastest guys setting times in the top 10.

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PpR Penguin:

Check out the number one time on C class Mugello Short.  Che can you either ban this guy from the Forza XBL servers or at least get his times wiped?  I think you guys need to send a message to people trying to grief the scoreboards like this.  If you set the tone early it can do a lot to help things from spiraling out of control like they did in the summer (albeit there was not much you guys could have done about people exploiting those massive glitches that used to exist). 

Anyway check the replay of the number one C class Mugello Short time.  He got a friend to rocket his Renault over the starting line at upwards of 165 mph (the normal speed to cross the start/finish line on this track is roughly 110mph give or take).  This is not a new tactic of course but I think you guys should police the obvious cases like this.  It's total BS and I hope you guys do something about it.

You bring up a good point and it's something we can act on if we have the evidence (like we do in this instance).

One thing we at Turn 10 can't do is police the scoreboards and so that's where the community comes in. I do want to send a message to scoreboard griefers that "cheating" and griefing is highly discouraged and will have consequences.

Those caught doing it will have their times wiped. If they're caught doing it again, then they will be banned from playing Forza 2 online. I know the second penalty is harsh, but it may send a message pretty fast.

I know we've said in the past before that we don't consider this cheating, but the more we've discussed it, the more it feels it misrepresents the scoreboards and is a form of griefing the community.

Let me know if you have any questions. Keep it to this thread.

 

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http://forzamotorsport.net

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You bring up a good point and it's something we can act on if we have the evidence (like we do in this instance).

One thing we at Turn 10 can't do is police the scoreboards and so that's where the community comes in. I do want to send a message to scoreboard griefers that "cheating" and griefing is highly discouraged and will have consequences.

Those caught doing it will have their times wiped. If they're caught doing it again, then they will be banned from playing Forza 2 online. I know the second penalty is harsh, but it may send a message pretty fast.

I know we've said in the past before that we don't consider this cheating, but the more we've discussed it, the more it feels it misrepresents the scoreboards and is a form of griefing the community.

Let me know if you have any questions. Keep it to this thread.

 

Che, I've blasted you before and said things that were probably out of line.  But, right now, I feel like standing up at my computer and giving you a standing ovation.  FM2 and the competiton it provides should have no room for people looking to cheat everyone and I'm thrilled to see this response from you.  Keep up the great work!!!!

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The best and simplist solution is to not have Multiplayer times counted in Hot Laps.

Hot Laps is someone racing against time alone to get the best lap. So I vote to only include times run in Free Run to show up on the Hot Lap Leaderboards.

Even in Exhibition, there is slight drafting shown on most of the times. So with a Drafting filter for the scoreboards, almost all Exhibition times will not show up. lol

It's amusing where Turn 10 says that the Exhibition Scoreboards are the best tests to show someone's skill on the tracks. The amusing part is that very few people run in Exhibition Mode. lol

I was trying to get Turn 10 to seriouly look at the #1 R1 Class time on the Nissan Speedway with the #2 Audi . There has to be a glitch somehow for that Audi to be able to get that time. When you watch the replay, you can see where the racer was driving a bad line. But thanks to Turn 10 not showing lap times in the replays, like they did in Forza1, you can't see what the lap times are.

I challenge anyone to download the #1 R1 Class Nissan Speedway time and try to beat it or come within 1 sec of that time.

EDIT: I forgot to say that this Glitched time is in Exhibition Mode. Sorry. You can probably forget the challenge as Turn 10, doesn't want to be bothered with it. thanks anyway.

 

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PpR Penguin:

Check out the number one time on C class Mugello Short.  Che can you either ban this guy from the Forza XBL servers or at least get his times wiped?  I think you guys need to send a message to people trying to grief the scoreboards like this.  If you set the tone early it can do a lot to help things from spiraling out of control like they did in the summer (albeit there was not much you guys could have done about people exploiting those massive glitches that used to exist). 

Anyway check the replay of the number one C class Mugello Short time.  He got a friend to rocket his Renault over the starting line at upwards of 165 mph (the normal speed to cross the start/finish line on this track is roughly 110mph give or take).  This is not a new tactic of course but I think you guys should police the obvious cases like this.  It's total BS and I hope you guys do something about it.

You bring up a good point and it's something we can act on if we have the evidence (like we do in this instance).

One thing we at Turn 10 can't do is police the scoreboards and so that's where the community comes in. I do want to send a message to scoreboard griefers that "cheating" and griefing is highly discouraged and will have consequences.

Those caught doing it will have their times wiped. If they're caught doing it again, then they will be banned from playing Forza 2 online. I know the second penalty is harsh, but it may send a message pretty fast.

I know we've said in the past before that we don't consider this cheating, but the more we've discussed it, the more it feels it misrepresents the scoreboards and is a form of griefing the community.

Let me know if you have any questions. Keep it to this thread.

Just one more example of your team going above and beyond.  Personally, I thought the upcoming filter feature was great. 

However, IMO by far the best measure of a racer's skill is his or her rank on the Time Trials boards.  If you guys are unhappy with the Hotlapping boards, there's a Time Trial Challenge for every track. 

-Aenyn

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TomCat7:

It's amusing where Turn 10 says that the Exhibition Scoreboards are the best tests to show someone's skill on the tracks. The amusing part is that very few people run in Exhibition Mode. lol

Slight correction: They referred to the Time Trials Boards.  So many think of the Time Trials boards as just a type of busy work they must endure to unlock a few extra cars.  However, besides being able to filter the boards to the particular characteristics one is looking for, the Time Trial boards are the best benchmark of one's skill compared to other users.  The only variables involved are your ability to adjust the settings available and run fast laps.

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Tomcat, your solution isn't something we can explore for Forza 2 so we'll have to make do with the tools we have (i.e., communication and scoreboard deletions or bans).

 

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Che "No Game Info" Chou
Turn 10 Community Manager
http://forzamotorsport.net

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PpR Penguin:

Check out the number one time on C class Mugello Short.  Che can you either ban this guy from the Forza XBL servers or at least get his times wiped?  I think you guys need to send a message to people trying to grief the scoreboards like this.  If you set the tone early it can do a lot to help things from spiraling out of control like they did in the summer (albeit there was not much you guys could have done about people exploiting those massive glitches that used to exist). 

Anyway check the replay of the number one C class Mugello Short time.  He got a friend to rocket his Renault over the starting line at upwards of 165 mph (the normal speed to cross the start/finish line on this track is roughly 110mph give or take).  This is not a new tactic of course but I think you guys should police the obvious cases like this.  It's total BS and I hope you guys do something about it.

You bring up a good point and it's something we can act on if we have the evidence (like we do in this instance).

One thing we at Turn 10 can't do is police the scoreboards and so that's where the community comes in. I do want to send a message to scoreboard griefers that "cheating" and griefing is highly discouraged and will have consequences.

Those caught doing it will have their times wiped. If they're caught doing it again, then they will be banned from playing Forza 2 online. I know the second penalty is harsh, but it may send a message pretty fast.

I know we've said in the past before that we don't consider this cheating, but the more we've discussed it, the more it feels it misrepresents the scoreboards and is a form of griefing the community.

Let me know if you have any questions. Keep it to this thread.

 

Che

im not one to go and post hot lap times.......but i saw this thread and took a look and i think is retarded to cheat the system....... i know allot of people that put there hard earned time into hot lap times and it sadens me when there are people like this wanting to ruin things for everyone else....but i will give you a big high five if you do start to baning these people for cheating.........

 

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PpR Penguin:

Check out the number one time on C class Mugello Short.  Che can you either ban this guy from the Forza XBL servers or at least get his times wiped?  I think you guys need to send a message to people trying to grief the scoreboards like this.  If you set the tone early it can do a lot to help things from spiraling out of control like they did in the summer (albeit there was not much you guys could have done about people exploiting those massive glitches that used to exist). 

Anyway check the replay of the number one C class Mugello Short time.  He got a friend to rocket his Renault over the starting line at upwards of 165 mph (the normal speed to cross the start/finish line on this track is roughly 110mph give or take).  This is not a new tactic of course but I think you guys should police the obvious cases like this.  It's total BS and I hope you guys do something about it.

You bring up a good point and it's something we can act on if we have the evidence (like we do in this instance).

One thing we at Turn 10 can't do is police the scoreboards and so that's where the community comes in. I do want to send a message to scoreboard griefers that "cheating" and griefing is highly discouraged and will have consequences.

Those caught doing it will have their times wiped. If they're caught doing it again, then they will be banned from playing Forza 2 online. I know the second penalty is harsh, but it may send a message pretty fast.

I know we've said in the past before that we don't consider this cheating, but the more we've discussed it, the more it feels it misrepresents the scoreboards and is a form of griefing the community.

Let me know if you have any questions. Keep it to this thread.

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Tomcat, your solution isn't something we can explore for Forza 2 so we'll have to make do with the tools we have (i.e., communication and scoreboard deletions or bans).

 

Thanks for replying Che, I appriciate it.

If the top 1000 AT times would have been wiped instead of the top 500, that time would not be there. It is easy for me to tell that the time is impossible as I can download the setup and run it. I do a lot of Speedway racing, and cannot get to within 2 seconds of that time with the same car and setup.

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't want to spend time gathering proof. I'm just going to live with it.

I'm sorry. I forgot to say that the time is in Exhibition Mode.

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chespace:

One thing we at Turn 10 can't do is police the scoreboards and so that's where the community comes in. I do want to send a message to scoreboard griefers that "cheating" and griefing is highly discouraged and will have consequences.

Those caught doing it will have their times wiped. If they're caught doing it again, then they will be banned from playing Forza 2 online. I know the second penalty is harsh, but it may send a message pretty fast.

First of all, thanks for the answer Che.
Now if I follow your reasoning, logically as for JVE Perturbator (aka OGC Thi, aka JVE OGCThi) we have :
AWD glitch (with proof, someone had a video ages ago)
+ money glitch (no proof but with the hundreds of millions CRs he had months ago - without being a painter/tuner/racer in the custom tourneys -, I let everyone have their opinion...)
+ now "bumping" glitch (with proof as well)
= ???
Times wiped? Cause it's already 2 "scoreboard griefings" + 1 glitch. If so, that's definitely great news!

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PpR Penguin:

Check out the number one time on C class Mugello Short.  Che can you either ban this guy from the Forza XBL servers or at least get his times wiped?  I think you guys need to send a message to people trying to grief the scoreboards like this.  If you set the tone early it can do a lot to help things from spiraling out of control like they did in the summer (albeit there was not much you guys could have done about people exploiting those massive glitches that used to exist). 

Anyway check the replay of the number one C class Mugello Short time.  He got a friend to rocket his Renault over the starting line at upwards of 165 mph (the normal speed to cross the start/finish line on this track is roughly 110mph give or take).  This is not a new tactic of course but I think you guys should police the obvious cases like this.  It's total BS and I hope you guys do something about it.

You bring up a good point and it's something we can act on if we have the evidence (like we do in this instance).

One thing we at Turn 10 can't do is police the scoreboards and so that's where the community comes in. I do want to send a message to scoreboard griefers that "cheating" and griefing is highly discouraged and will have consequences.

Those caught doing it will have their times wiped. If they're caught doing it again, then they will be banned from playing Forza 2 online. I know the second penalty is harsh, but it may send a message pretty fast.

I know we've said in the past before that we don't consider this cheating, but the more we've discussed it, the more it feels it misrepresents the scoreboards and is a form of griefing the community.

Let me know if you have any questions. Keep it to this thread.

 

Thanks Che that is excellent news!  The funny thing is that some of these guys that are using these cheats are in the top 10 of overall hotlapping.  They know from the last wipe that Turn 10 can only wipe a user's entire set of times yet they are cheating anyway.  This means they are blatantly disrespecting/underestimating your ability and willpower to take care of the scoreboards.  They were willing to risk their entire 500+ hotlapping entry just to see if they could put one over on everyone, betting that you and Turn 10 wouldn't do anything.  I bet it's going to be quite the shock for them when action is taken.    Thanks again Che!  This just further shows why Turn 10 is the premier racing game developer out there, sticking with their game for the long haul.  This is great news for all of us racing game fans.

Guys as for coming up with solutions on how to avoid this, as they have said many times nothing will be done in terms of barring multiplayer times from being uploaded to the scoreboards.  Not to mention you'd be losing too much to gain too little.   But now at least we have a venue to report and get definitive action taken against those trying to manipulate the system for their own personal gain.  Let's focus on that and get these guys off of the scoreboards fast.

Hey Che will Nissan Speedway be involved in this or are we to let that slide since it has snowballed out of control, and simply focus on the other tracks?  The great news is that this isn't widespread yet so stopping this stuff in its tracks and getting the message out will be very easy.  I think this is an extremely smart move by you and I'm glad to see you stepping up.  Thanks again!

Nissan Speedway might be a lost cause since, at this point, I'd like to avoid really painful mass deletions of scoreboard times.

That is just something we you guys will just have to manually filter out when we introduce the scoreboard filters in the near future.

 

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Che "No Game Info" Chou
Turn 10 Community Manager
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That makes sense.  Well at least now we can keep the other 51 tracks relatively clean which will still go a very long way in preserving the integrity of this game.   

This is good to hear, I can already hear the round of applause from the hard-working Racing Clans/Teams that play the hell out of this game.... and do so without 'cheating'

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The funny thing is if you watch the guy in 1st place's replay around Mugello Short in D Class, you will see how shite his lap is.

What I don't want to see is people dropping to their standards and bump-drafting over the finish line as well just to stay in competition. We can all clearly see who the cheaters are by just watching their replay.

And people saying about not counting laps with Penalty, how will that help the situation anyway? They get bumped over the line before the hot lap, so they get penalty before they go over the line, so when they are on a fresh lap, they will not have any penalty time.

Hopefully Turn 10 will weed out the cheaters and give them the banhammer!

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Che, I've blasted you before and said things that were probably out of line.  But, right now, I feel like standing up at my computer and giving you a standing ovation.  FM2 and the competiton it provides should have no room for people looking to cheat everyone and I'm thrilled to see this response from you.  Keep up the great work!!!!

+1...cheaters are not wanted here.

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Cold Al:

And people saying about not counting laps with Penalty, how will that help the situation anyway? They get bumped over the line before the hot lap, so they get penalty before they go over the line, so when they are on a fresh lap, they will not have any penalty time.

Not including Penalty laps was mentioned as a way of eliminating those that use shortcuts, not the bumping issue. Denying multiplayer rooms from posting to the Hotlap scoreboards was directed at this specific issue.

Frankly I think this is a very simple change at the host end and does not require an update to resolve it. Wipe the entire hotlap scoreboard and change the scoreboard servers to only accept Freerun times. Changing the game code to post only non-penalty times doesn't sound like rocket science and could easily be posted in any upcoming update.

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What about the people who do not really use free-run?

Remember Hotlappers are not the majority of users that use the scoreboards.

Most of our group uses them in our league races to compare times in our non leaderboard cars.

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^^^^ It's not going to happen.  They aren't going to make those kind of changes for this game, maybe the next one though.  At least they will be doing something about the cheaters now which is all I care about.