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honestly, considering how T10  managed the AWD glitch  which was a big glitch, now with this tire glitch that is smaller compared to the AWD one, i guess for them is more easy to say its OK bla bla bla instead of fix it.

So please T10, come here and reveal to the community how to do it,  so the equilibrium is fixed again lol.

ps: if i knew how to do it, i would have already said to everyone, cant understand why those people that know it and are Against it and condemen it, dont reveal how to do it .

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Chrisupra:

oh yeah lol, its paddy's day gimme break factory.....i have been drinking all day, omg i heard a town in america dyed their river green and they put dye in the pints of beer, losers! Omg we don't even do that cheesy crap

 

roflmao.... haha you drunk...lol...jk.

 

But yeah Factory was right we do NOT condone the use of it... but we are still waiting like everyone else to see where this goes.

 

If T10 makes it ok...then I guess its ok... but they should let everyone know about it if that is the case.

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Formerly: VVV Tone23

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a very simple answer as to why not the glitch has been put up on the forums is this: Do it without Turn 10 thus Che or someone saying we can place it will mean Turn 10 can easily go against the poster and say they are braking conduct and get their subscription revoked or something. Now I for one wish these guys that actually sit down and figgure out a glitch would dissapear of the blue planet but truth is this tire glitch is out now, people know about it and there has to be something done about it. Turn 10 just please get back to me on this, can I post the details without you nailing me for it or should I keep my mouth shut. In fact if Turn 10 says "keep it shut" then they are not approving of it : right???

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In the mind of the thinker lies wisdom and knowledge.
GT - TDR Eries

Hi, touchy subject eh, don't blame Solo, he does a fantastic job for us guys, cheats and glitches only cause trouble when ONLY a select few know about them, IF all this was known before a competition, whats the problem, A cheat is only a cheat if others seek to take advantage, like below...... as an example.

1. To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases.
2. To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land.
3. To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye.
4. To elude; escape: cheat death.

v.   intr.

1. To act dishonestly; practice fraud.
2. To violate rules deliberately, as in a game:
3. 
   

IF ALL this crap about glitches is known by all competing in the competition, the so called "cheat" is inefffective.
Bring it out in the open, let everyone know what is and can happen with the tires ect.
Also remember, ITS A GAME, they never are perfect, and no matter what anyone says there will ALWAYS be those who try to take advantage of "things" to get the better of others FACT.
IF the glitches / cheats are known and made available to ALL, there SHOULD be no problem, unless some of these so called honest drivers want to keep kicking up a stink about it.
IF the playing field is level, all things known by all taking part in the GAME / comp  whats the problem.
I've only been playing forza for a few months (less than 6)  and I know of no glitches or cheats, except maybe the Career one on New York, tested it, gives an enormous advatage, but dispite several emails to Turn 10 about this, they say absolutely nothing about those taking advantage (I've got one time up there taking advantage, where I tested the effect) .needs deleting really, but they won't do it, because there are loads more.

Anyway, Like I said, if all this is known by ALL, there should be no problems / no teddys thrown out of cots / no dummys spat out /  no falling out with each other.

what is the glitch anyway, I'd like to know, so I can get on the same level playing field, I know ziltch about it, unless I've inadvertently come across  by mistake unknowingly ????
I was in the very low 1:13s on stock's


JUST GET THE DAM GLITCH POSTED SO EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT IT,  THEN THE SUBJECT IS CLOSED AND YOU ALL CARRY ON PLAYING IN THE KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU KNOW THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE COMPETING. end of story.

trouble will continue aslong as a few know more that the majority, hidden secets cause no end of trouble.   folks will always be wondering if he's doing that or this, you lot know fullwell that 100% honesty in a comp is impossible, especially if there are hidden things :)

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GT= PzR sixpackjack
Rob

trust - you would know if you had done it.

If you play the game as intended, you can't do it - or the option to do it, but if you do a little thing extra, you can do it

however, in opposition to Henniker, it hasn't made my game freeze - it has no problem doing it, because it appears it is a feature that is supposed to be there but then for some reason, easy access was removed....

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eries:

No need for testers as I have done exstensive testing on the matter and here I will state my findings. As part of the IFCA I have done practice for a qually for an up comming event the FWC 9 here we had to build a car a MC 12 with a S954 PI for use on test track black mamba. I took the car and built it in two versions.

1. A legit car without the glitch and various tests as to parts the fastest I got on the track was a 1:38.157 not bad for a weak car on the test tracks.

2. A glitched car with less grip (this is a test track where grip is usually better) and ran a time of 1:37.0.

I think the resluts speak for themselves. You see it's not the difference between grip and horse power its putting on parts which makes up for the loss of grip. Tings like a transmission making the car lighter giving you two added benefits. better acceleration and better handling where as tires would only give you the grip advantage because your transmission is shifting like an old mule. Guys I feel that no one really wants to state how they feel about it. But let me assure you with the tire glitch you can make your car better never worse it's a fact.

The PI set at 850 makes it have a ceiling thus anything to keep in that ceiling that can make the car as a whole better is a must. In 850 you dont really need full street tires anyway thus te tire glitch will make the car much better than the average joe that doesnt know about it. An average player will beat the times of a well trained professional. This is how I see it. I am not slow but certainly not the fastest. Now I wonder what guys like Greeksniper, picaso, cam , damo , chemical , kimimatt would say with me being about 0.3 s slower than these guys on my very best lap when I suddenly jump 0.7 s ahead of them. These guys would tell you that at the level they are playing a 0.7s gap is almost impossible to gain. So decide what you want, I say open it up to all or patch it, end of story.

 

Great post ...Thanks for that information. Why is this glitch just coming up now? There must of been many other challenges with glitchable cars. 

bfrostee0852:

eries:

No need for testers as I have done exstensive testing on the matter and here I will state my findings. As part of the IFCA I have done practice for a qually for an up comming event the FWC 9 here we had to build a car a MC 12 with a S954 PI for use on test track black mamba. I took the car and built it in two versions.

1. A legit car without the glitch and various tests as to parts the fastest I got on the track was a 1:38.157 not bad for a weak car on the test tracks.

2. A glitched car with less grip (this is a test track where grip is usually better) and ran a time of 1:37.0.

I think the resluts speak for themselves. You see it's not the difference between grip and horse power its putting on parts which makes up for the loss of grip. Tings like a transmission making the car lighter giving you two added benefits. better acceleration and better handling where as tires would only give you the grip advantage because your transmission is shifting like an old mule. Guys I feel that no one really wants to state how they feel about it. But let me assure you with the tire glitch you can make your car better never worse it's a fact.

The PI set at 850 makes it have a ceiling thus anything to keep in that ceiling that can make the car as a whole better is a must. In 850 you dont really need full street tires anyway thus te tire glitch will make the car much better than the average joe that doesnt know about it. An average player will beat the times of a well trained professional. This is how I see it. I am not slow but certainly not the fastest. Now I wonder what guys like Greeksniper, picaso, cam , damo , chemical , kimimatt would say with me being about 0.3 s slower than these guys on my very best lap when I suddenly jump 0.7 s ahead of them. These guys would tell you that at the level they are playing a 0.7s gap is almost impossible to gain. So decide what you want, I say open it up to all or patch it, end of story.

 

Great post ...Thanks for that information. Why is this glitch just coming up now? There must of been many other challenges with glitchable cars. 

Absolutely 100% there mate. the only way.

here's a senario,    Team Championship, last race winners take all, can EVERYONE be trusted to race and not use a glitch IF one is there ?????,    you could never be 100% sure they would not !!

Winners or Loosers  !!   I think you know the answer.

human nature = unpredictable

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GT= PzR sixpackjack
Rob

Posting the glitch on these forums and even in the pitpass will let everyone who comes to this site know.  What about the rest of the community?  There doesn't seem to be an easy solution.  We will have to make sure that everyone we know is given the information.  Its pretty obvious that all the members of the teams will know, because they all have at least one representitive on these forums.  It is very easy to perform, but not so easy to find accidently.

I am more concerned with the guys that aren't linked to a team, and never come to this site.  How will they find out?  What a mess.

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Well like always I'm waiting again for a reaction. Really guys if you want to discuss it just say so. On the matter of letting the comunity know it is not that difficult. I have recieved messages from Xbox live as to any upgrades to servers etc etc so all that need to be done is send messages to the live members saying to checkout this site ... now there's a nice ploy getting millions to log into the site creating a lot of traffic which really is great for Forza.net.

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In the mind of the thinker lies wisdom and knowledge.
GT - TDR Eries

Hi, I'd guess that all serious players visit here at least once a week, if not they will read copies of the Pit Pass at whatever website they reside at.
Word soon spreads in a community,  how do you think most will know about the March  DLC's

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GT= PzR sixpackjack
Rob

sixpackjack:

Hi, I'd guess that all serious players visit here at least once a week, if not they will read copies of the Pit Pass at whatever website they reside at.
Word soon spreads in a community,  how do you think most will know about the March  DLC's

While I agree to an extent, people find out about DLC because it is advertised directly on their xbox.  So unless Turn 10 can do that.......

I think that a lot of  'serious' players visit here, but certainly not all of them do.  Either way, I know how to do it, and the rest of the members of TRC will know how to do it if Turn 10 gives it the green light so I am not overly worried.  I am just trying to be the defender of the people here.  lol

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After reading ncasolo's posts, it looks like Turn 10 has given the green light, the issue is why it is still being kept a secret. A-class F-40's were first mentioned in the forums back in November and they have been in the AH ever since. It is too late to try and keep it hidden any longer. The tire glitch  is useful on just enough cars and tracks to call into question the credibility of the scoreboards and some players. Since  a scoreboard wipe seems to be out of the question, reveal how it is done so no one will have an unfair advantage, real or imagined.

So long as it stays a secret, those that don't know are going to think that everyone faster then them is at the top by glitching, and those that do know have been told by Turn 10  ( apparently ) that it is OK to use it and aren't doing anything wrong.

But just don't tell anybody.

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GT = P00hhead (two zero's )

P00hhead:

those that do know have been told by Turn 10  ( apparently ) that it is OK to use it and aren't doing anything wrong.

But just don't tell anybody.

true, that's just hypocrytical from T10 and those people.
Anyway if I knew this glitch, I would post here as it's allowed then. And I won't give a $hit to what T10 or anyone else will say.

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P00hhead:

After reading ncasolo's posts, it looks like Turn 10 has given the green light, the issue is why it is still being kept a secret. A-class F-40's were first mentioned in the forums back in November and they have been in the AH ever since. It is too late to try and keep it hidden any longer. The tire glitch  is useful on just enough cars and tracks to call into question the credibility of the scoreboards and some players. Since  a scoreboard wipe seems to be out of the question, reveal how it is done so no one will have an unfair advantage, real or imagined.

So long as it stays a secret, those that don't know are going to think that everyone faster then them is at the top by glitching, and those that do know have been told by Turn 10  ( apparently ) that it is OK to use it and aren't doing anything wrong.

But just don't tell anybody.

 

seriously? OMG, is it a joke?

unbelievable....

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ncasolo:

Uhh Ryan I think you missed the memo.  The Tire glitch correctly affects the PI of the car.  Turn 10 said there's nothing wrong with using it.  I could swear I posted about this right after we ran the Zonda's.

Rather than spend man hours trying to fix this "glitch" turn 10 recognized the fact that it accurately impacts the PI of the car and said it is OK.

Sounds like it's OK to me.

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GT = P00hhead (two zero's )

No no no you see we know what Solo said Turn 10 said that means nothing. We need Turn 10 to phisically say it on the forums from their mouths directly. Solo not in anyway agianst you here not at all but I think you know what I mean. If Turn 10 did in fact state it on the forums somewhere could you please supply a link. Thanks man. I still dont believe that someone anyone over at the chiefs teepee hasnt picked up the debate here, for this is truelly one that needs to be dealt with. People are losing interest in the game and the integrity of the scoreboards here and all it will take is a YES it's ok to use it then we can get it out to the community. Ok there is however a description of how to do it on the net. Gosh I just wanted to check if it isnt there and it was in the 3rd website I followed. So just search the right paths. I say again I dont condone it in anyway until Turn 10 themselves gives the green light on the matter.

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In the mind of the thinker lies wisdom and knowledge.
GT - TDR Eries

I realize that what ncasolo said is second hand information, but it is hard to misinterperate what he said.That's why I think we are all waiting for some official word.

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GT = P00hhead (two zero's )

TDR Eries, I understand exactly what you are saying about wanting to post a tutorial on how to perform this tire glitch and to be perfectly honest I'm half tempted to post it myself without any word from Turn 10.  Solo told me that Che says it is OK to do and that was enough for me to use it.  I don't want to break any TOS here by posting a tutorial, but with Che telling Solo it is OK to use then I don't think I would actually be violating any TOS rules.  So, I'm kind of at a loss for what to do here.  I really want to post it up so that everyone following this discussion knows how to do it, but at the same time I don't want other teams to look down on me for doing so, especially considering that there are a few who are strongly opposed to using this glitch.

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GT: AMG Pale Rider
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. -- Albert Einstein

Greeksniper, to answer your question about which cars can use this glitch, it is any car that has upgraded tires as stock.  So cars like the Zonda, Porsche 911 RS (DLC car) and pretty much most of the "supercars" in the game.  I can't remember for sure, but I think even the '69 Fairlady 432R is one of these cars.   I also feel you on GT5 as I too am about sick to death of the bugs in this game, but I also understand that developers cannot work out every bug in a game before release, it simply isn't possible.  GT5 will inevitablely have its bugs as well, but at least it'll have a bunch of tracks lol.

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GT: AMG Pale Rider
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. -- Albert Einstein

Finally, to address those of you sending me unpleasant PMs over XBL, this is the only response you receive from me:

While I understand your frustrations over being too slow to compete, don't blame your inability to get any faster than 1:12.200 on not being able to perform the tire glitch.  VVV Headyman is nearly 2 full seconds faster than you and he isn't using the tire glitch.  Let me suggest that instead of sending nasty PMs calling me a cheat, that you understand that a Turn 10 employee told a fellow teammate that this glitch is OK to use.  You want to question my motives, and all I can say is that since this not part of the HCL season in which my team can gain points, my only motive for running this challenge is to get an Evo TME, whether it be from a top 10 finish or part of the random 30.  You want to question my integrity, and I will tell you that if I had none, I certainly would not of addressed R2P Henniker earlier in this thread in the manner that I did, I certainly would not have apologized for something was OK'd to use and I certainly would not have did a complete rebuild of the car to use in this HLC.  Finally, I'd like to say that you are now blocked from sending me any more messages, so save yourself the trouble of sending anything.  Your secret of being an enormous A-hole is safe with me.

Thanks and have a wonderful day!

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GT: AMG Pale Rider
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe. -- Albert Einstein