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Ahhhh great point.  If all else fails, wipe him for the multi-tag.  I remember Che saying a while back that that stuff won't be tolerated either. 

GeorgiaDawg72:

Ageed on all points.  He's not doing the slam draft (guess that's the new word for it) stuff, but he is most certainly setting up positioned draft cars.  That is as much of a cheat as the slamming the car nonsense.  He's not even as fast as me on most tracks where he has ran legitly so him showing up considerably ahead of Backone and people like that isn't possible without cheating.  Also agree about the multitagging aspect.  Doing stuff like that just shows you have absolutely zero respect for anyone else and imo should be a wipeable offense too.

I'd like to make it known that I represent DMR in echoing the sentiments of those that believe this to be "cheating/glitching" and it should not in any way shape or form be tolerated. 

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GeorgiaDawg72:

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ncasolo:

On an aside I'm not sure why you all think JVE OGC guy is cheating on D-class Mugello.  Certainly some of his other times might not be legitimate, but have you actually taken the time to watch the replay?  His car is clean and he's only doing ~106 mph at the line.  Yeah it might be a drafted time, but it's definitely not a slam drafted time.  This is why I say don't jump on the wagon and name names.

Has he got the number 1 time in D Class Mugello? Sorry for asking I am at work and don't have access to the scoreboards at all.

If he has the number 1 time, I find it hard to believe that the time is not cheated. If he beat IPR Backone ABS and R2P KimiMatt who use a wheel and a superfast if the JVE OGTchi guy OGT or JVE Perturbator or whatever his name is the time is questionable as he hasn't got the skill to hang with those 2 thats for sure.

Another thing Solo can't he get introuble for multi tagging on the scoreboards aswell. I will check out the replay heck I will run against his ghost and I will let you all know if the time is cheated or drafted on purpose is cheating aswell. Just like in Forza 1. Instead of listening to yourself listen to us the hotlappers who live on the scoreboards on this game. We know when a time is cheated or not. Who can get what times. a JVE OGTchi guy will never be able to compete with the elites of this game without cheating. So any top times he has with a drafted symbol next to it and he is up the top or close has a 99% chance its cheated.

 

 

 

 

Ageed on all points.  He's not doing the slam draft (guess that's the new word for it) stuff, but he is most certainly setting up positioned draft cars.  That is as much of a cheat as the slamming the car nonsense.  He's not even as fast as me on most tracks where he has ran legitly so him showing up considerably ahead of Backone and people like that isn't possible without cheating.  Also agree about the multitagging aspect.  Doing stuff like that just shows you have absolutely zero respect for anyone else and imo should be a wipeable offense too.

 

I hear you Georgia Dawg. Drafting purposely is just as bad as bumper bashing to me too.

Most of us know who can get the top times. When I see someone like this JVE guy ahead of players like Backone and KimiMatt on tracks, I know its cheated times. I hope Turn 10 realises this soon enough. I don't like it when they say that they saw the replay and there is no damage on the car and he was going over the start line at normal speeds. It makes me feel like they are not going to do anything about it.

Cheating is cheating. Whether its bump drafting which can't be done any more, bumper hitting before the start line or purpesly drafting a car around the whole track

If they have 1 cheated time, Turn 10 has to wipe their times. And trust me they will never do it again. IF Turn 10 don't do anything about it and quickly its going to spiral out of control and its going to be too late to fix.

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Drafting isn't going to get someone's times wiped.  If it will then wipe my times too.  I'm not going to get onto the track and hook up in a draft with someone to better my lap time, but some of my best laps have been in an actual race with collisions on.  When you race people you still go as fast as you can.  Up until I re-ran my lap on Road Atlanta in R2 my best time was set in multiplayer pulling a draft off the back straight on someone.  I was trying to pass him not draft him, but that set my benchmark (and a top 75 lap too).  The line needs to be drawn somewhere.  While the integrity of someone using the draft to set their laps is certainly not good, it simply isn't abusing the system quite like slam drafting.

However look at his time on Suzuka East and it's clearly slam drafting.  I'm not sayin he was innocent just some of the times you said weren't legit looked to me to be legit.

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I won't pretend to have read all the above posts but the solution seems simple.  Don't mix in multiplayer times with the hotlaps as multiple cars on the track just muddies the waters.  Single car, single track, best time, done.

We should let the cheaters cheat and draft their times. Who cars if it turns out like Forza 1, where every track record is a 'Shocker', where the CRX, for example, gets a bump across the starting line and drafts an Enzo the whole time.

Who cares if the leaderboards turn into a cheating cesspool?

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I care.  I played FM1 for two years until FM2 was released.  What really ruined that game was the drafting by shocker and co., plus all the other fools who tried their hand at it.  It got really ridiculous where you had to filter out the top 20 times because they were all drafted.  I finally have the will to start hotlapping again after getting wiped twice, and now this.  I hope this can be addressed before they implement the car club leaderboards.

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I know, blade. I was just being sarcastic. I was pretty active in Forza 1 and it really sucked to see those cheated times all over the scoreboards.

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Wooow! You guys need to stop whining about CHEATING......you cant even cheat in this game anymore! Organized draft isnt cheating. Look at speedway, not the most popular track in the forums, but a massive draw of many people online. Organized draft is the ONLY way of getting a top lap time. Which people need to accept as it still takes massive amounts of skill to get a great time. How do I know this, because there is only about 14 people with 33.??? sec laps. If your one of the shall I say,  babies, thats calls drafting cheating. Go ahead and organize a draft if you can and try and get a top 20 or top 10 laptime. /End Rant/

PpR Penguin:

Ahhhh great point.  If all else fails, wipe him for the multi-tag.  I remember Che saying a while back that that stuff won't be tolerated either. 

I hope you're right because that disgusts me almost as much as this slam drafting and setting up drafting helper cars crap does.  This JVE guy has atleast 3 and I wouldn't be suprised if this Silon goof is actually the same guy.  And he's not the only one multitagging.  I won't mention the name, although if I gave everyone in this thread 3 guesses they could probably figure it out, who multiagged me out of the top 30 on the ring in R2.

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Ok..I'm going to play devil's advocate here.Bumpr drafting or slam drafting is an actual tatic used in NASCAR. It is legal with the exception of certain parts of a track that have been deemed dangerous.So I'm curious to know that if I happen to be lucky  (or unlucky as far as this theard goes) enough post a top 50 time in a multiplayer game with teams will my score be wiped? Since before this game came out Turn 10 and Microsoft have been touting its phyiscs engine saying that it runs at  360 fps  yadda yadda yadda. Now that the physics enigne is working the way it's supposed to it seems that people have a problem.Now before the nasty responses come in , I said I was just playing devil's advocate.

You're right ahkumbie1231, but NASCAR doesn't have cars that top out around 110MPH being pushed across the starting line with 1,000HP cars so they have a speed of 160+MPH to carry them along the long straightaway.

I doubt you'll get the shaft if you post a 'drafted' top 50 time, mainly because you probably weren't cheating, and not too many people go down the scoreboard 50 players.

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ahjumbie1231:

Ok..I'm going to play devil's advocate here.Bumpr drafting or slam drafting is an actual tatic used in NASCAR. It is legal with the exception of certain parts of a track that have been deemed dangerous.So I'm curious to know that if I happen to be lucky  (or unlucky as far as this theard goes) enough post a top 50 time in a multiplayer game with teams will my score be wiped? Since before this game came out Turn 10 and Microsoft have been touting its phyiscs engine saying that it runs at  360 fps  yadda yadda yadda. Now that the physics enigne is working the way it's supposed to it seems that people have a problem.Now before the nasty responses come in , I said I was just playing devil's advocate.

Ok, let me explain it to you before someone does come in here and give you a nasty response.  What is occurring here is not "bump drafting" as you're thinking of what occurs in NASCAR.  What is happening is driver A is in a slow car, say a C class Elise, while driver B is in a much faster car, say a U class Saleen.  Driver B pushes driver A down the straight and then lets off right as driver A goes across the start finish line.  Giving driver A a huge speed boost (roughly 40-50 mph) to start his lap while incurring no penalty on that lap since the boost was done on the previous lap.

So, as you can see, this is not simple bump drafting that's being talked about here.  This is blatant cheating and there is no devil's advocate stance to be taken on it.

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I was'snt sure of what was going on..I haven't played the game since my little one decided to use it as a coaster in her tea party with Minester Huggsly and Dr. Snuggles in early June...but since their untimely death (how they ended up in the oven is beyond me...) I'm not sure if i should get the game back . If this is what is going on...whats the point?

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Name the track, class, and position of the potential cheater - followed by a description of how they cheated.  DO NOT NAME THEIR GAMERTAG.  This is not a name and shame thread.  Eliminating the scoreboards of cheated times is all that is trying to be accomplished here.

 

Suzuka east, class c, position 1 and 2. Drafting.

 

sooner the underlined is achieved the better.

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hmm u could argue all these "cheaters" are just taking what it takes nowadays to get a top 50 lap to the extreme.  But its not "that" more extreme to running the same flavour of the track car and sitting there for hours and hours hotlapping till u get that one magic lap.

 

I dont like to hear this ofc but..

Hotlapping is basically a pretty poor representative of whats cool about forza 2.  Its basically picking the best handfull (or just best) car for a track and going zombie mode for 30 mins till u get the sweet lap. 

Im pretty new to the game and have just discovered now if I use the flavour of the moment car for a track with a flavour of the moment setup I can just about hit those top 100 times.  But doing it is pretty boring.

much better off just racing and having fun.  And if some lemon wants to sit there getting a buddy to bash him up the rear (not literally) so he can gain an extra 0.200 on Susuka east so he can "own" <insert random guy who takes forza2 too seriously here>,  well then so be it. 

Like I say im not endorsing it, but as with everything in life.  You will always get some idiot taking things to the extreme.  Let them have their moment of glorey as it really doesnt count for much in the big scheme of things :)

I'd like to report both GeorgiaDawg and Che for using the words "grief" and "griefing."  Can I do that here or should I start a separate thread?


Seriously, when that ridiculous PPR came out stating that this wasn't a form of cheating, many of us hollered until we were blue in the face.  Turn10 didn't want to listen and now we see the results of this.  Anyway, if it isn't considered cheating then T10 really can't be expected to wipe these times.  I guess we shall see where this goes but I have a feeling that a particular group will be found to have used this tactic more than they would like to admit.  Anyone associated with this group will see even more negative responses and probably regret being a part of the group whether they "bad sportsman shipped" or not.

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frankysk:

p175:

... only post times to the scoreboards with no penalty time...

THIS would really easy fix a LOT of problems! This is a quite good idea.
This would even fix a lot of misusing some available shortcuts
on the tracks.

Sometimes you are faster even if you take the penalty... look at Road Atlanta
as example.

AND... it is an easy to do...

I was thinking the exact same thing as soon as I read the first post.  A rather practical solution.  Gets rid of pushers and shortcutters at the same time.

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del828:

hmm u could argue all these "cheaters" are just taking what it takes nowadays to get a top 50 lap to the extreme.  But its not "that" more extreme to running the same flavour of the track car and sitting there for hours and hours hotlapping till u get that one magic lap.

 

I dont like to hear this ofc but..

Hotlapping is basically a pretty poor representative of whats cool about forza 2.  Its basically picking the best handfull (or just best) car for a track and going zombie mode for 30 mins till u get the sweet lap. 

Im pretty new to the game and have just discovered now if I use the flavour of the moment car for a track with a flavour of the moment setup I can just about hit those top 100 times.  But doing it is pretty boring.

much better off just racing and having fun.  And if some lemon wants to sit there getting a buddy to bash him up the rear (not literally) so he can gain an extra 0.200 on Susuka east so he can "own" <insert random guy who takes forza2 too seriously here>,  well then so be it. 

Like I say im not endorsing it, but as with everything in life.  You will always get some idiot taking things to the extreme.  Let them have their moment of glorey as it really doesnt count for much in the big scheme of things :)

some people do actually find hotlapping fun, i do, georgiadawg does, if i remember correctly greeksniper does, so things like this are actually important to us

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abyssium:

del828:

hmm u could argue all these "cheaters" are just taking what it takes nowadays to get a top 50 lap to the extreme.  But its not "that" more extreme to running the same flavour of the track car and sitting there for hours and hours hotlapping till u get that one magic lap.

 

I dont like to hear this ofc but..

Hotlapping is basically a pretty poor representative of whats cool about forza 2.  Its basically picking the best handfull (or just best) car for a track and going zombie mode for 30 mins till u get the sweet lap. 

Im pretty new to the game and have just discovered now if I use the flavour of the moment car for a track with a flavour of the moment setup I can just about hit those top 100 times.  But doing it is pretty boring.

much better off just racing and having fun.  And if some lemon wants to sit there getting a buddy to bash him up the rear (not literally) so he can gain an extra 0.200 on Susuka east so he can "own" <insert random guy who takes forza2 too seriously here>,  well then so be it. 

Like I say im not endorsing it, but as with everything in life.  You will always get some idiot taking things to the extreme.  Let them have their moment of glorey as it really doesnt count for much in the big scheme of things :)

some people do actually find hotlapping fun, i do, georgiadawg does, if i remember correctly greeksniper does, so things like this are actually important to us

Also, before someone else says it...it doesnt' necessarily take a good chunk of the BEST hotlappers "hours and hours" to set that one "magic lap". Most of these guys can set w/in tenths of these times in a full race consistently, not just in "free run".  Also, as was pointed out, to some it is indeed more fun to race the top ghosts and more or less try to best one's self.   

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