Brute force of the rockets. No wheels are driven. Makes you wonder what would happen if they built one with both....

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THERAT89:

Brute force of the rockets. No wheels are driven. Makes you wonder what would happen if they built one with both....

Thanks for the answer.  Thats kinda what I thought, but wasn't sure. 

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-Mario Andretti

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UnrealChaos321:

Basically proves yalls point 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZlGMX8G3B4

luckily, sir, you are not a scientist.

Wow, so i guess it doesn't show that even though the ZR1 is faster the GT-R still beat it off the line because of its AWD??? Isn't that what this whole idiotic argument is about? If you dont know what your talking about don't post.

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Nothing beats Displacement

The AWD cars have a huge advantage over RWD. Even if the RWD car has more power

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCGb7ZtJFp0

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Nothing beats Displacement

UnrealChaos321:

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UnrealChaos321:

Basically proves yalls point 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZlGMX8G3B4

luckily, sir, you are not a scientist.

Wow, so i guess it doesn't show that even though the ZR1 is faster the GT-R still beat it off the line because of its AWD??? Isn't that what this whole idiotic argument is about? If you dont know what your talking about don't post.

i do know what i'm talking about, that's why i don't base any opinion on one movie featuring only a few cars.  it's like saying that since this summer was different than last, there MUST be global warming.

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enigma243: "You are, as a group, immature, petty, childish, brash, aggressive and downright unpleasant."

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UnrealChaos321:

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UnrealChaos321:

Basically proves yalls point 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZlGMX8G3B4

luckily, sir, you are not a scientist.

Wow, so i guess it doesn't show that even though the ZR1 is faster the GT-R still beat it off the line because of its AWD??? Isn't that what this whole idiotic argument is about? If you dont know what your talking about don't post.

i do know what i'm talking about, that's why i don't base any opinion on one movie featuring only a few cars.  it's like saying that since this summer was different than last, there MUST be global warming.

But all these vids have proven that:

If all tires are on the ground, AWD is best.

If the front tires are off the ground, RWD is best.

 

Since normal cars rarely get wheelies, AWD will be the best option [;]

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Don't compare real life to FM3.

Real life racing has tons of regulations and it's all about making the cars as good as possible within them.

In FM3 cars are regulated by the PI which is determined by a perfect lap around a test track (not ingame).

So now we're reverting back to standard cars are we? The videos i showed on the last page shows how it is. On the street, in the game, good luck beating a AWD off the line. . . . But at the end of the day in Competition at the track, ultimately. . . . RWD is the way to go.

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Scattered3:

So now we're reverting back to standard cars are we? The videos i showed on the last page shows how it is. On the street, in the game, good luck beating a AWD off the line. . . . But at the end of the day in Competition at the track, ultimately. . . . RWD is the way to go.

*Checks the car list*

 

I can't find any drag cars

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Don't compare real life to FM3.

Real life racing has tons of regulations and it's all about making the cars as good as possible within them.

In FM3 cars are regulated by the PI which is determined by a perfect lap around a test track (not ingame).

Sorry, i keep forgetting this is a video game forum & most people have no real world XP.

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Scattered3:

Sorry, i keep forgetting this is a video game forum & most people have no real world XP.

Dude, I have 1,300XP. 

I'm about to level up.  Right after dinner. 

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-Mario Andretti

Seanspeed:

Scattered3:

Sorry, i keep forgetting this is a video game forum & most people have no real world XP.

Dude, I have 1,300XP. 

I'm about to level up.  Right after dinner. 

i'm a level 14 gangsta.

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enigma243: "You are, as a group, immature, petty, childish, brash, aggressive and downright unpleasant."

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Seanspeed:

Scattered3:

Sorry, i keep forgetting this is a video game forum & most people have no real world XP.

Dude, I have 1,300XP. 

I'm about to level up.  Right after dinner. 

i'm a level 14 gangsta.

Crap i just raced a Honda Civic Type R version x ttB16 so my xp just dropped to 15

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Nothing beats Displacement

UnrealChaos321:

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Seanspeed:

Scattered3:

Sorry, i keep forgetting this is a video game forum & most people have no real world XP.

Dude, I have 1,300XP. 

I'm about to level up.  Right after dinner. 

i'm a level 14 gangsta.

Crap i just raced a Honda Civic Type R version x ttB16 so my xp just dropped to 15

i play NOS shot and it gives me +15 top speed until end of turn

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enigma243: "You are, as a group, immature, petty, childish, brash, aggressive and downright unpleasant."

I'm sick of everyone that's called the OP an idiot, or some other insult, or insinuated something of the like. I said I might be wrong...

Now, I'm not going to lie; I haven't drag raced a billion types of cars, so I don't have the universe's wealth of experience to base my opinion on, but I do have simple intelligence.

Everyone basically has said the same thing. Stock AWD cars will either bog down or break, so RWD launches better. Pro dragsters have massive grip and are RWD, so they launch better than AWD pro drag cars. Point being, RWD launches better.

I mean, seriously. If two cars weigh the same, have the same power and torque and the same tires and the same body and bla bla bla, the RWD will launch better, if it's a proper drag strip. Both cars will instantly grip off the line, but the AWD car has to get more parts moving; more of it's weight is in the drivetrain, whilst the RWD has a simpler and lighter drivetrain with less parts to get going. 

And honestly, the main point I was trying to make was that FM3 needs a REAL drag strip. Not a garbage, average Forza texture piece of straight tarmac. It should have ridiculous grip to be true to itself. 

Though I'd kill for some salt flats...

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Polish Person:

I'm sick of everyone that's called the OP an idiot, or some other insult, or insinuated something of the like. I said I might be wrong...

Now, I'm not going to lie; I haven't drag raced a billion types of cars, so I don't have the universe's wealth of experience to base my opinion on, but I do have simple intelligence.

Everyone basically has said the same thing. Stock AWD cars will either bog down or break, so RWD launches better. Pro dragsters have massive grip and are RWD, so they launch better than AWD pro drag cars. Point being, RWD launches better.

I mean, seriously. If two cars weigh the same, have the same power and torque and the same tires and the same body and bla bla bla, the RWD will launch better, if it's a proper drag strip. Both cars will instantly grip off the line, but the AWD car has to get more parts moving; more of it's weight is in the drivetrain, whilst the RWD has a simpler and lighter drivetrain with less parts to get going. 

And honestly, the main point I was trying to make was that FM3 needs a REAL drag strip. Not a garbage, average Forza texture piece of straight tarmac. It should have ridiculous grip to be true to itself. 

Though I'd kill for some salt flats...

yes, hypothetically, if traction were not an issue, and both cars were exactly the same sans drivetrain, the rwd would outperform the awd car.  unfortunately, even at drag strips, traction is an issue.  no matter how "simple" the drivetrain is, if the rwd doesn't connect (which it's 2x more apt to do), it's useless.

it just seems like you have this idea that awd systems are like driving a semi truck or something.  although there are a few more parts moving around down there, they are not nearly as sluggish as you make them seem.  when they are, it has nothing to do with the inner workings of the transaxle and diff, it typically has to do with too much traction and not enough power.

 

salt flats would be a blast.  i'm hoping i can substitute it with bumpy-old cirque de la sarthe's straight for top speed runs.

forget half or even 1 mile drags...  WHO'S DOWN FOR 4 MILE DRAG RACES WITH ME?

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enigma243: "You are, as a group, immature, petty, childish, brash, aggressive and downright unpleasant."

Polish Person:

I mean, seriously. If two cars weigh the same, have the same power and torque and the same tires and the same body and bla bla bla, the RWD will launch better, if it's a proper drag strip. Both cars will instantly grip off the line, but the AWD car has to get more parts moving; more of it's weight is in the drivetrain, whilst the RWD has a simpler and lighter drivetrain with less parts to get going.

In a case where "both cars instantly grip off the line", yes, you're right.

But that never happens in reality.  You just described an impossible situation.  You can't have the same car (sans drivetrain), with the same power, on the same tires, and have them BOTH get traction instantly off the line.  Not unless you're racing 100hp Hyundais or something where there just isn't enough power to exceed the CoF of the tire.  A RWD car (that's not tubbed out and running on slicks or something) will always lose traction quicker than an AWD one, and therefore won't launch as well.  Everything else being equal, with street cars, the AWD WILL, 100% without a doubt, launch better.  Get a RWD car that's properly drag-prepped to grip up right off the line (which it doesn't sound like we get to do) and you have a different story entirely.

Drag strips aren't magical places where the laws of physics don't apply.  The surface isn't made of some magical substance that's like super-glue, where every single car no matter what gets traction.  In fact, all too many of them are actually quite slick; I've ran on more than a few that were like driving on a wet road almost.  A RWD car, on standard road tires, WILL break traction quite easily on a drag strip, far more easily than an AWD one will, and will therefore not acheive as fast of a launch.

We are talking tenths of a second here.  Because in the drag world, particular 1/8th-milers as the original subject was about, a tenth of a second is a big deal.  This isn't some glaringly obvious thing where the AWD car gets a few car-lengths ahead.

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Polish Person:

I'm sick of everyone that's called the OP an idiot, or some other insult, or insinuated something of the like. I said I might be wrong...

Now, I'm not going to lie; I haven't drag raced a billion types of cars, so I don't have the universe's wealth of experience to base my opinion on, but I do have simple intelligence.

Everyone basically has said the same thing. Stock AWD cars will either bog down or break, so RWD launches better. Pro dragsters have massive grip and are RWD, so they launch better than AWD pro drag cars. Point being, RWD launches better.

I mean, seriously. If two cars weigh the same, have the same power and torque and the same tires and the same body and bla bla bla, the RWD will launch better, if it's a proper drag strip. Both cars will instantly grip off the line, but the AWD car has to get more parts moving; more of it's weight is in the drivetrain, whilst the RWD has a simpler and lighter drivetrain with less parts to get going. 

And honestly, the main point I was trying to make was that FM3 needs a REAL drag strip. Not a garbage, average Forza texture piece of straight tarmac. It should have ridiculous grip to be true to itself. 

Though I'd kill for some salt flats...

yes, hypothetically, if traction were not an issue, and both cars were exactly the same sans drivetrain, the rwd would outperform the awd car.  unfortunately, even at drag strips, traction is an issue.  no matter how "simple" the drivetrain is, if the rwd doesn't connect (which it's 2x more apt to do), it's useless.

it just seems like you have this idea that awd systems are like driving a semi truck or something.  although there are a few more parts moving around down there, they are not nearly as sluggish as you make them seem.  when they are, it has nothing to do with the inner workings of the transaxle and diff, it typically has to do with too much traction and not enough power.

 

salt flats would be a blast.  i'm hoping i can substitute it with bumpy-old cirque de la sarthe's straight for top speed runs.

forget half or even 1 mile drags...  WHO'S DOWN FOR 4 MILE DRAG RACES WITH ME?

Oh god that takes me back to Gran Turismo 4 and the Le Mans cars there. Those tires, they're so damn loud on every single bump on that track. It's unbelieveable.

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SigmaHyperion:

In a case where "both cars instantly grip off the line", yes, you're right.

But that never happens in reality.  You just described an impossible situation.  You can't have the same car (sans drivetrain), with the same power, on the same tires, and have them BOTH get traction instantly off the line.  Not unless you're racing 100hp Hyundais or something where there just isn't enough power to exceed the CoF of the tire.  A RWD car (that's not tubbed out and running on slicks or something) will always lose traction quicker than an AWD one, and therefore won't launch as well.  Everything else being equal, with street cars, the AWD WILL, 100% without a doubt, launch better.  Get a RWD car that's properly drag-prepped to grip up right off the line (which it doesn't sound like we get to do) and you have a different story entirely.

Drag strips aren't magical places where the laws of physics don't apply.  The surface isn't made of some magical substance that's like super-glue, where every single car no matter what gets traction.  In fact, all too many of them are actually quite slick; I've ran on more than a few that were like driving on a wet road almost.  A RWD car, on standard road tires, WILL break traction quite easily on a drag strip, far more easily than an AWD one will, and will therefore not acheive as fast of a launch.

We are talking tenths of a second here.  Because in the drag world, particular 1/8th-milers as the original subject was about, a tenth of a second is a big deal.  This isn't some glaringly obvious thing where the AWD car gets a few car-lengths ahead.

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I think you should stop Racing on crappy tracks then.

I don't like going to my local Track, cause everytime i do, it feels like i've broken my rear end, due to the sheer amount of traction making my car Tramp so severly.

As for your statement "A RWD car (that's not tubbed out and running on slicks or something) will always lose traction quicker than an AWD one"......... yes thats true, but cars don't break traction very easily on a "properly prepared" track. My mate has an Auto 5.7L Commodore, on street tyres, with lowered suspension & all he does is put the foot to the floor. It chirps & takes off.

He has since taken the 5.7L out & dropped in the 6L LS2, same thing...... just stands on it & he's gone.

He's beaten numerous WRX's, including STI's, on the street aswell.

 

Oh yeah...... as i said.... find a real Track to Race on that is prepared properly.

http://www.bazellracefuels.com/VHT.htm

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Scattered3:

SigmaHyperion:

In a case where "both cars instantly grip off the line", yes, you're right.

But that never happens in reality.  You just described an impossible situation.  You can't have the same car (sans drivetrain), with the same power, on the same tires, and have them BOTH get traction instantly off the line.  Not unless you're racing 100hp Hyundais or something where there just isn't enough power to exceed the CoF of the tire.  A RWD car (that's not tubbed out and running on slicks or something) will always lose traction quicker than an AWD one, and therefore won't launch as well.  Everything else being equal, with street cars, the AWD WILL, 100% without a doubt, launch better.  Get a RWD car that's properly drag-prepped to grip up right off the line (which it doesn't sound like we get to do) and you have a different story entirely.

Drag strips aren't magical places where the laws of physics don't apply.  The surface isn't made of some magical substance that's like super-glue, where every single car no matter what gets traction.  In fact, all too many of them are actually quite slick; I've ran on more than a few that were like driving on a wet road almost.  A RWD car, on standard road tires, WILL break traction quite easily on a drag strip, far more easily than an AWD one will, and will therefore not acheive as fast of a launch.

We are talking tenths of a second here.  Because in the drag world, particular 1/8th-milers as the original subject was about, a tenth of a second is a big deal.  This isn't some glaringly obvious thing where the AWD car gets a few car-lengths ahead.

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I think you should stop Racing on crappy tracks then.

I don't like going to my local Track, cause everytime i do, it feels like i've broken my rear end, due to the sheer amount of traction making my car Tramp so severly.

As for your statement "A RWD car (that's not tubbed out and running on slicks or something) will always lose traction quicker than an AWD one"......... yes thats true, but cars don't break traction very easily on a "properly prepared" track. My mate has an Auto 5.7L Commodore, on street tyres, with lowered suspension & all he does is put the foot to the floor. It chirps & takes off.

He has since taken the 5.7L out & dropped in the 6L LS2, same thing...... just stands on it & he's gone.

He's beaten numerous WRX's, including STI's, on the street aswell.

 

Oh yeah...... as i said.... find a real Track to Race on that is prepared properly.

http://www.bazellracefuels.com/VHT.htm

But it's proven that FM3's drag strips won't be like that.

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Don't compare real life to FM3.

Real life racing has tons of regulations and it's all about making the cars as good as possible within them.

In FM3 cars are regulated by the PI which is determined by a perfect lap around a test track (not ingame).

ajanu:

One thing no one has mentioned so far is that there will be no drag specific parts. This means (among other things) no wheelie bars. No wheelie bars tells me there will not be anywhere close to the amount of grip needed to lift the front end of the car. If this is the case, AWD will always launch better.

 

What?

The tires provide the grip, not the wheelie bar.

But it does keep the car from pulling one of these - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKiOFacKmfw

 

 

However it can cause this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQIwGdFRKFA

 

And who gives a hoot whether AWD is "better" than RWD in Forza!

It's a GAME!

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