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"I do not like Ken Gushi, simply because of the dangerous stunt he pulled at Road Atlanta. He had already had time to figure out his braking point on that turn, he was just pushing the envelope because he was frustrated, and he should have been black flagged and gotten no points out of the road race."

Lou Giglotti stated on another website that while he had stock discs on the Vette, he had race pads in the calipers.  He also said the 350Z had stock discs and pads.  More than likely, Gushi's brakes were cooked, and he did a very good job of not hitting anything when the pedal went to the floor.

OG Wretch-

I misunderstood your point, I thought you were asking what 5.6L would equate to. I now understand that you were questioning the accuracy of the blog.

You being a Mopar fan, you must be upset that the fools chose an auto tranny. The ol' 727 is great for the dragstrip, but would not be my first choice in a mixed event like the Showdown.

It's a 1967 SS/rs - just like my screen name ;) That's also my Gamertag (a67ssrs). I still play the original Forza, although it runs poorly on my Xbox 360. It's a shame you missed out on that Z/28, awesome car.

No problems.

I still feel a little heartsick about missing that deal.

It was well over 20 years ago and he sold it for what he gave for it.

$1600.00 and it was all original.

Ah, the old hide what you have in plain sight ploy.

I usually save that for when I'm search in a store for something and ask where something is and they say, "Right there behind you on the shelf." (sigh)

Yeah, a 4 speed would have been much better.

The 727's are pretty tough though and can do well but like you say, just not the optimum choice for all around.

I wonder if the guy that built that one still has a job...hehehe.

Heck, I have 15 or 20 Borg Warner cases, a couple of bellhousings and a few shafts/gears laying around I could have sent them to build up. 

The statistics to the Corvette are wrong.

Corvette all the way.

Ok, so I thought someone said they were going to adjust the HP figures?  I'm assuming that these figures were for the cars before modifications(stock figures)?  I'm not sure about the muscle cars, since those motors don't really appears to have start out stock, but the way I see it, the Rear Wheel Horsepower figures for the Mustang and the two 350Z's are still off.  The '05 Mustang GT has 300HP at the flywheel stock.  The rear wheel horsepower should be somewhere in the 230HP range.  The Corvette numbers appear to be correct, it's 400HP at the flywheel and should be about 340HP at the wheels.  I believe the 350Z's horsepower ratings listed here (287HP) are flywheel numbers, so not really consistent with what's listed for the Vette.  The 350Z's should be down 220HP range at the rear wheel's.... unless I'm missing something?  The numbers should really be corrected to reflect what's really there.

So the way I see it, the Vette's got a 100+ HP advantage over the 350Z's and the Mustang.  It is definitely much more car than the 350's or the Mustang in terms of all around package.  The fact that Gushi and Cope are staying so close to the Vette tells me that they're much better drivers than the kid, I'm rooting for them two. 

Don't get me wrong, I love the Vette, I've got a Vette motor (LS2) in my '06 GTO and I love that drivetrain. 

The kid needs to learn from Lou and the guys, learn how to do a doughnut, come on now, how can you not have done a doughnut before and be a racer?  

My two cents... for what it's worth....

Ok, didn't realize that.  I assumed all the late model cars were close to stock (no power adders), my bad.  The 425 rear wheel numbers still look a little aggressive, but I guess it's possible depending on how much boost and what else was done to the motor (bigger injectors, etc).  The rear wheel numbers on the 350Z's still look off unless they've got mods as well. 

Oh well, at the end of the day I guess the accuracy of the specs don't matter so much, it's still a great show that's got me and my son wishing everyday was Wednesday :-) 

Thanks for the clarification. 

Beatdown Patrol:

I agree.  The show has been a big disappointment for me on several levels.  The only REAL reason I am watching it is because I want more information on the game.  My problems?

1)  Seriously, the match up of cars is pathetic.  Coming into the series, the only two cars that were in the same "class" were the two 350Zs.  From there, the 'Vette is practically in a class all of its own.  The 'Stang is slightly ahead of the 350s because they had bolt ons before the contest even began (say what?).  The Camero and Charger while capable and competitive against each other, they are simply outclassed in just about every contest but the drag racing challenge.  (Clay Dale is to be commended on the drifting challenge since it isn't like those cars are even close to being 50/50 weight distribution)

Everyone on this board should know that all things being equal (as in the driver), the Corvette should be winning this contest worse than what it currently is.  Flat out...there hasn't been a single challenge that the Vette should have lost.  The team might still lose the overall challenge, but it won't be because of the car since it grossly outperforms everything there without breaking a sweat.

2)  Where in the world did they get these drivers?  The wide variation of talent is so obvious, it looks fixed.  Some of the drivers are at least semi-pro in terms of ability and then you get somebody like Freddie...who didn't belong out there given the competition.

3)  Way too much fluff.  The 3rd episode was the absolute worst.  While it is cool for the mechanic teams to get face time, spending 25 mins watching them tool around the garage was a blatant waste of time.  When they were going to Road Atlanta, I looked at how much time was left for the show and started wondering if the race was going to be continued next week or something.  It ended up being rained out, but you mean to tell me that they didn't have rain days built into the schedule?

4)  The points for bolt ons idea stinks.  Everyone should get the same amount of points for bolt ons.  Otherwise, the losers of the first and second challenge are so far behind, the don't have any chance of catching up.  That basically means that the first two challenges are the most important...but given the obnoxious differences between the cars, at least half the field are destined to be losers no matter how well they drive.

So I keep asking myself...what exactly was the point of this show?  It isn't a comparison of the cars because their performance envelopes are too varied.  It isn't the drivers because their experience and skill levels are too varied.  The only thing I can come up with is that this is an advertising opportunity for Forza 2 which is rather disappointing.  There is so much more that they could have added to this.  How about the raw stats of the cars and drivers?  How about more information on what bolt ons were added to each car with test-runs on a track to chart the differences?  How about letting viewers bet on who was going to win each challenge?   How about letting viewers bet on who was going to win overall?  All of this could have been done via a webpage dedicated to the challenge.

This had soooo much more potential....

I also watched it in hopes of getting more information on the game and yet all i saw in the one show i watched were the trailers I have already seen 20 times over and then introduce them like its brand new...VERY POOR

What happened to having an STI or Evo in the show. They could have replaced one of the 350Z.

They should make this into a real reality show. They could have regular enthusiast like us battle it out in something like Karts for a spot on a team.

Sign me up!!

dsky:

I wouldn't go as far as TERRIBLE to lable this show, however, the vette just has an all around advantage over all of the other cars.

They shouldve allocated more credits per lower powered car, so they could catch up quick.

Or just do a spec car, and give them to all the 5 drivers. Then go from there.

However, I still love the show, and how does the show think Ken Gushi an amatuer driver? Haha, I still want him to win.

So was that it for the FM Showdown, or will there be more rounds of competition with new cars and drivers ?

If so, the series producers really have to balance the cars better.  It was the Forza showdown, wouldn't it have made a lot more sense just to replicate Forza's class system ?   And don't widen the gap between the best and worst teams by rewarding the top cars with more upgrade points.