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Hotlap Challenge Week 26 - A850 DB9's on Sebring

Last post 03-22-2008, 1:39 AM by BBR Pale Rider. 206 replies.
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  •  03-16-2008, 1:05 PM 1385996 in reply to 1385974

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    I have never even heard of this glitch before?

  •  03-16-2008, 1:48 PM 1386141 in reply to 1385996

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    A glitch is a cheat in my eyes and should not be allowed. To think that this will be allowed in something as big as this just puts another nail in the coffin. I have been trying to organise TDR to make a proper attempt at this, this time around but we will boycott this tournament now until it is run proper and we will not partake in any challenges until it is run by someone who has a clue about it.

    TDR and R2P will stand together on this to stop glitching and will not partake in this event until things change.

     

    TDR President

     

    TDR Chrisupra


    GT = TDR Chrisupra
    President of Team Dynamic Racing
    www.BurnTM.coMS
  •  03-16-2008, 1:53 PM 1386159 in reply to 1386141

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    a few r2p guy up there already.. better for me maybe with less of you i will get a uni!!Big Smile [:D]

    NCtune
    Is it 4:20 yet?

    GT= JMR 358

  •  03-16-2008, 1:54 PM 1386165 in reply to 1385996

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    me either! well since im on stock tires cant call me a cheat!Wink [;)]

    NCtune
    Is it 4:20 yet?

    GT= JMR 358

  •  03-16-2008, 1:57 PM 1386172 in reply to 1386165

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    Ah yes there is but this im sure was before i began speaking to them. TDR and R2P have strong relations and im speaking to them now about it.
    GT = TDR Chrisupra
    President of Team Dynamic Racing
    www.BurnTM.coMS
  •  03-16-2008, 2:04 PM 1386195 in reply to 1386141

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    Chrisupra can you elaborate on why you think this is horrible and why I don't have a clue?  I can elaborate on why Turn 10 OK'd this, but if you think that decision should be changed you're going to need to provide some constructive feedback as to why.

    The tire glitch certainly wasn't an intentional design I will give you that.  However it properly impacts the PI of the car.  If you put firestone's on the car instead of whatever the regular street tire is then your PI goes down.  This is no different than having Avon racing slicks vs. Firestone racing slicks.  The PI is impacted accordingly by the selection of the different brand of street tire.

    When we ran the Zonda challege DaVinci was pining to me about how he felt many of the other really fast times were being set by utilizing this particular glitch. At the time I knew about it but did not know how to perform it.  I brought it up in an email to Che and he asked me to find out about the glitch.  I told him how it was done and what sort of impact it had.  When it comes down to how serious this "glitch" is I said not really because it properly impacts the PI of the car.  In some cases yes that certainly allows you to make a better build, but the build itself is still calculated properly.

    In a lot of cases replays of the top 100 times you can't tell per-se what the setup or build is of the guy who ran by watching the replay.  There are undoubtedly many S-class times in the top 100 impacted by people who have used this particular "undocumented feature." 

    After the Zonda challenge and finally understanding how it worked Turn 10 was presented with a choice.  To try and figure out how to fix it or to say it was OK.  Given the accurate reporting of PI and the minimal impact it has in general Turn 10 said it was OK to use.

    Now like I said you (and this goes for anyone) can feel free to provide constructive feedback on why they should change their decision, but just simply boycotting and calling me clueless isn't the route to accomplish anything.

  •  03-16-2008, 2:05 PM 1386202 in reply to 1386159

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    It's the dumbest thing I read here ever. If the glitch affects the PI correctly, then T10, REVEAL IT so everyone knows it as it's something allowed and there's nothing wrong about it, or CORRECT IT and wipe the top of scoreboards again. It's completely non-sense, you hide the glitch so that no one knows it but still allow it for some players.
    If you still have a minimum intelligence, then make a poll : correct it and wipe some times posted with thte concerned cars or simply reveal it.


    GT : SqR RaFaby
    Shosholoza Ku lezontaba Stimela siphum' e South Afric***
  •  03-16-2008, 2:06 PM 1386208 in reply to 1386141

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    I stand by this too as someone who week in week out trys to build the cars. I refuse to use a cheat brought about by a sequence of button presses to try and make a quicker car. No matter whether this is ok'd by Turn 10 the hotlapping scene has always been policed by the teams, and rules agreed within the teams.

    I understand it may make the PI fall as it should but the option was never intended to be in the game. I for one will not support this or the tournaments run, if inconsistances such as this continue, with people who don't seem to understand how to run them.

    I think its also a dangerous precedent for TRC too, with such a good reputation for being legitimate, being the only major team supporting and using this glicht is not good.




  •  03-16-2008, 2:11 PM 1386218 in reply to 1386202

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    yeah if it's ok let us know what it is so we all stand on equal ground! since it's not cheating we should all know about it!

    NCtune
    Is it 4:20 yet?

    GT= JMR 358

  •  03-16-2008, 2:14 PM 1386232 in reply to 1386208

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    any tips on building this car, is it better to use forza aero or no forza aero...
    a few of my cars ... only a few
    http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii5/B3dbleO
    I just got GTR 2 on ebay for 10 bucks
  •  03-16-2008, 2:15 PM 1386235 in reply to 1386208

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    Solo, at the end of the day a glitch is a cheat and can enhance someone's performance in a game. To say that you need a glitch or so to say, to make the car better is ridiculous. Regardless of how big or how small this glitch is, at the end of the day its a bug, its a cheat and its not a proper 'feature' of the game. Why is it being used anyway, why does the PI matter, i thought this was about people using the same legit car, on the same track and see who comes out on top!

    Have we all forgotten what this is all about, im more disappointed than pi$t off to be honest and i stand by my words and have told my team to not attempt this challenge and indeed i know R2P will follow suit. For so long have we all waited for this game and it really has not peaked since the launch and to think now that a glitch is going to be allowed is 'lazy' and unprofessional. This is all i have to say on the matter and you want something constructive....

    Glitch = Cheat..........end of story


    GT = TDR Chrisupra
    President of Team Dynamic Racing
    www.BurnTM.coMS
  •  03-16-2008, 2:25 PM 1386265 in reply to 1386208

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    oh get over it every1 T10 are happy with it as it is
    mayb because its to hard to sort out i dunno

    if ya cant beat them join them

    if every1 uses this so called glitch/cheat then that evens everything out
    then no1 is cheatin no more

    problem solved



    GT = 0 sm1ffy 0
    #151
  •  03-16-2008, 2:28 PM 1386277 in reply to 1386208

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    R2P Henniker:
    I stand by this too as someone who week in week out trys to build the cars. I refuse to use a cheat brought about by a sequence of button presses to try and make a quicker car. No matter whether this is ok'd by Turn 10 the hotlapping scene has always been policed by the teams, and rules agreed within the teams.

    I understand it may make the PI fall as it should but the option was never intended to be in the game. I for one will not support this or the tournaments run, if inconsistances such as this continue, with people who don't seem to understand how to run them.

    I think its also a dangerous precedent for TRC too, with such a good reputation for being legitimate, being the only major team supporting and using this glicht is not good.





    That is a dangerous statement in and of itself Senna.  Being a former member of this team, you know how we feel about cheating.  Did any of our members use the AWD glitch? Not one.  Turn 10 recognized the issue, weighed the impact, and fixed it.  Until today I didn't even know this tire thing existed, so how are you going to say that TRC supports it?

    We are all playing a game that Turn 10 designed.  It has many flaws.  What about the PI drop on the muscle cars?  How is that OK, and yet swapping grip for HP with the tires is cheating now?  If Turn 10 says its not cheating, then who are we to argue?  Either they call it a cheat and fix it, or they don't.  We have to play within their rules, something you should be familiar with considering your experience with Xleague TV.

    That being said, until I have more information on this issue, I am remaining neutral.  I will not use the tires, but I will not call anyone who does a cheat.

  •  03-16-2008, 2:31 PM 1386285 in reply to 1386265

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    Well to be honest Solo what needs to be done is everyone needs to be put on a even field. For the next club challenge, the list of cars and tracks should be displayed in advance, no cars that are capable of the tyre glitch should be allowed what so ever. This just an idea because i want my club to do this challenge, i really really do and im working and getting the team organised.

    We have a problem and thats the tyre glitch and TRC who run this need to release the tracks and cars before the challenge, benefits of this is people have chances to tune as a team and indeed any bugs can be found before hand. Everyone is on a even playing field. Im talking to R2P now and we think that this is how things should go to avoid these problems.


    GT = TDR Chrisupra
    President of Team Dynamic Racing
    www.BurnTM.coMS
  •  03-16-2008, 2:32 PM 1386286 in reply to 1386285

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    TRC does not organize these challenges.  Solo does.  We have no information that you do not have.  That is the only reason that Solo is even allowed to participate.

  •  03-16-2008, 2:36 PM 1386300 in reply to 1386286

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    My bad. TRC do not run this
    GT = TDR Chrisupra
    President of Team Dynamic Racing
    www.BurnTM.coMS
  •  03-16-2008, 2:38 PM 1386304 in reply to 1386285

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    so then we lose god knows how meny cars doin that
    its hard enough makin people happy with the hlc picks now
    that will really help gettin rid of most of the cars so we only hav a limited amount to pick from
    i think not



    GT = 0 sm1ffy 0
    #151
  •  03-16-2008, 2:39 PM 1386308 in reply to 1385996

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    factory:
    I have never even heard of this glitch before?

    me neither!

    whats this **** about? is it done on purpose? if so how it work?

    if so than its pure cheating....using a a glitch/bug on purpose for get advantage is cheating no doubts.






  •  03-16-2008, 2:39 PM 1386310 in reply to 1386304

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    The glitch covers 20% of the cars.
    GT = TDR Chrisupra
    President of Team Dynamic Racing
    www.BurnTM.coMS
  •  03-16-2008, 2:40 PM 1386311 in reply to 1386277

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    You know what Chrisupra you're right it is a glitch.  I think if you really boil it down the muscle cars in this game in general are a glitch of the PI system itself. When you start to add horsepower the PI on some of these cars drop.  In many B-class tracks the top car is actually a car with a PI rating of 679.  Yet everyone is out there using the muscle cars (believe me I would rather not).

    I think many teams TDR, R2P and others could agree that this is something we should not use, but I don't trust the integrity of everyone out there.  People have been actively using this on the S-class scoreboards (and this is from when this was banned).  Personally I haven't messed around with it until last night because this is the first time it's come up since Turn 10 said it was OK to do, but the fact is this doesn't even inaccurately report the PI of the car.  The change in PI is accurate just like changing the brand of racing tires you have on your car.

    Don't misunderstand my point here.  I'm playing devils advocate because this is the decision that was currently made by Turn 10.  If the teams agree that this shouldn't be used I haven't used it on any of my cars and I won't, but I'd like to be on a level playing field with those that can't abide by a gentlemen's agreement in an instance where things are legitimate and approved by Turn 10.

    So if glitch = cheat why does everyone in R2P have muscle car times in the top 10 all over the production classes?  (I'd say TDR but you don't have many hot lappers).  Personally I think it's because Turn 10 said that's the way it is.  If they say that's the way it is with this as well I don't see the problem with that.

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